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WhatEvil posted:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1185661892557201408?s=20 this...SURELY...can't be how any of this works, right guys?
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sexpig by night posted:this...SURELY...can't be how any of this works, right guys? Very probably not, but that's not going to stop the johnson galaxy brain.
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So it seems obvious the EU are just going to sit on this letter until it becomes clear if Johnson can get his deal through. So after the whole of today, we're back in the position of either: a) Labour manages to stop enough of it's MPs rebelling to vote for the deal, or b) We're hosed.
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OwlFancier posted:This does need to go in the OP for the next forever btw. I'd have to render the monster munch one over it for that which means hello to this guy 
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HopperUK posted:wtf if anyone at my pharmacy breathed a hint of judgement at anyone for their exemption reason they'd be fired so fast their feet wouldn't touch the floor Yeah, the only time I've ever had a weird look from staff was the first time I collected my medication after going on universal credit. I had an armful of printouts from their online system because you don't get a letter confirming your benefits, my passport and a bank statement. The poor lad looked confused and said "just tick the box, sir"
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jabby posted:So it seems obvious the EU are just going to sit on this letter until it becomes clear if Johnson can get his deal through. So after the whole of today, we're back in the position of either: I'd wonder if they won't try to amend it to wait and see what the EU's response is.
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mehall posted:
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Excellent alert yet casual cattes
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OwlFancier posted:I'd wonder if they won't try to amend it to wait and see what the EU's response is. Amendment to replace from "the" in paragraph 1 line 1 to end, with "help EU we're trapped in a Brexit"
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Trapped in a Brexit factory, send help.
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sexpig by night posted:this...SURELY...can't be how any of this works, right guys? I want someone in Brussels to print out the unsigned email, cut out Boris' signature from the letter requesting no further extension and stick it onto the Request for Extension. Then post the picture on Twitter and watch the fireworks.
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Happy birthday, rarity, have a spoilt catte.
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The Prime Minister of the UK is shitposting IRL. I'm not a norms and decorum guy but ffs get in the real world this dumb larp poo poo is legit embarrassing. The only way to solve this is a general election, either the no-deal alliance win or the second-ref alliance win, either way it breaks the deadlock.
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Is Joris doing some Sov Citizen bullshit by saying "the letter wasn't SIGNED so it doesn't count!" Does he think that'll work It's fairly clear the EU will just wait to see what happens Monday/Tuesday then allow an extension.
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Lol if I did something like that in my job I would get fired immediately and probably face legal trouble. And I make stupid useless widgets, not decide on the fate of a whole country of 60 million people. Watch Boris face absolutely no adverse consequences to throwing a literal childish tantrum and taking a poo poo on the law and the office of PM to look good in front of the voters Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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I bet Teresa May is just laughing her rear end of at this point. Porr woman.
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Wasn't there a court opinion or a legal opinion that Johnson sending the extension request and then adding his own letter saying "don't give an extension actually" would be a violation of the Benn Act as well?
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PowerBeard posted:I bet Teresa May is just laughing her rear end of at this point. Porr woman. Yes. No.
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I should've moved to Portugal, not Canada: https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1185679004583579649?s=20 206 out of 230 votes going to parties named "Socialist", "Social Democratic" and "Left Bloc". Unsure how actually Left those parties are but even so.
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Sulphagnist posted:Wasn't there a court opinion or a legal opinion that Johnson sending the extension request and then adding his own letter saying "don't give an extension actually" would be a violation of the Benn Act as well? Jolyon seems to think so, depends what boris said to the court and depends whether the court gives a poo poo if the EU has already accepted it.
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OwlFancier posted:Jolyon seems to think so, depends what boris said to the court and depends whether the court gives a poo poo if the EU has already accepted it. Throw the oval office in jail anyway. It's no less than he deserves.
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I like the idea that the EU grant the extension and Joris is just flabbergasted. “Buh-but I never signed the letter!?”
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WhatEvil posted:I should've moved to Portugal, not Canada: Social Democrats are right wing, Socialist are centrists. Soz to disappoint. Left Bloc are lefties though.
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Sulphagnist posted:Wasn't there a court opinion or a legal opinion that Johnson sending the extension request and then adding his own letter saying "don't give an extension actually" would be a violation of the Benn Act as well? A UK citizen sending a private, personal correspondence is something we do have really good laws protecting, I'd be very surprised if Johnson was legally unable to send a personal letter along with the parliament mandated one but that's all it would be, it would just be a personal letter from some random oval office that happened to get delivered at the same time. He absolutely can't write that letter as being 'from the office of the PM' in light of the Benn Act no.
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WhatEvil posted:Throw the oval office in jail anyway. It's no less than he deserves. Well they might make the argument that breaking the law is breaking the law regardless of the outcome, but it's whether the court wants to rule against the PM on a political issue right now.
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Ratjaculation posted:Social Democrats are right wing, Socialist are centrists. God damnit.
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Vitamin P posted:The Prime Minister of the UK is shitposting IRL. Obviously it depends on how the court rules in the end, but this is pretty much basic Padfield. The question is whether he was trying to circumvent or frustrate the act. And then there's also the question of whether he has commited contempt of court over it. https://davidallengreen.com/2019/09/brexit-padfield-and-the-benn-act/ So there's a not inconsiderable chance he gets hosed by the courts on this. I think he might scrape by on it, but the Scottish Court of Session seems to already think he's untrustworthy, hence holding over their ruling, so who knows. PST fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Oct 20, 2019 |
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Ratjaculation posted:Social Democrats are right wing, Socialist are centrists. So they're socialist in the same way as the DPRK is democratic?
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Ratjaculation posted:Social Democrats are right wing, Socialist are centrists. 19 actual lefties being the kingmakers still seems like a p good deal
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WhatEvil posted:God damnit. If it makes you feel better the centrists have been in coalition with the actual left and things are now better than they used to be. So that's nice. And voters have voted for more of that. So that's good. Specifically for more of the centrists rather than more of the left though. So you know, could be better.
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gotta new pla nto Get Boris johnson. Parlmiant pass law making it Illegl to b ea Toatl Dingus. boris in prisn forevere. fuk him
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Vitamin P posted:A UK citizen sending a private, personal correspondence is something we do have really good laws protecting, I'd be very surprised if Johnson was legally unable to send a personal letter along with the parliament mandated one but that's all it would be, it would just be a personal letter from some random oval office that happened to get delivered at the same time. He absolutely can't write that letter as being 'from the office of the PM' in light of the Benn Act no. I'm not a lawyer obviously, but if there was such an act then either he's acting as PM and violating the Benn act, or he's acting as a private citizen but abusing diplomatic channels for non governmental business.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:What would be interesting is if there's a law in the UK preventing the PM using the office for private business. I mean there is the offence of misconduct in a public office.
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Vitamin P posted:A UK citizen sending a private, personal correspondence is something we do have really good laws protecting, I'd be very surprised if Johnson was legally unable to send a personal letter along with the parliament mandated one but that's all it would be, it would just be a personal letter from some random oval office that happened to get delivered at the same time. He absolutely can't write that letter as being 'from the office of the PM' in light of the Benn Act no. I don't think his second letter actually breaks the Benn act. He states his opinion that a delay would be bad for UK/EU relations, and reiterates the position of the government. He doesn't actually tell them to reject the extension or try to take back the fact that he's requesting one. It's petulant, but it's clearly intended for domestic consumption and the EU will ignore it. There's no need to take him to court. https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185680494203150336
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OwlFancier posted:I mean there is the offence of misconduct in a public office.
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1185690221066833922 Corbs is also on board with 'he obeyed the law'. Taking him to court just fuels the narrative he WANTS to create, which is that he's somehow found a loophole or thwarted the act. He hasn't. Obviously some dumbass remainers will do it anyway though.
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I'm somewhat of the same mind as david allen green, if he technically broke the law for cred, that's not... really a justification to let him? Like the idea that the PM can do what he wants re: the law as long as it works out is... not really a recipe for a functional government?
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1185690221066833922 so does this mean he's gonna stop being squishy about labour people voting for the brexit bill if he's calling it a failure and acknowledging the law was followed despite the weird attempt to force a court case?
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