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16-inch +1s will remain viable weapons up until the end of the game, the range boost from the quality increase makes them able to take full advantage of radar fire control once we invent that. refitting our ships to use them will be expensive but will pay dividends in the long run
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Probably best to wait until we aren't at near maxed out tension though.
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vyelkin posted:As far as I remember, it typically ranges from -1 to +1 (in RTW1 there was also a -2 that iirc was only used for one particular size of British guns at the start of the game that were renowned for being utter garbage in real life, haven't played as Britain in RTW2 so I don't know if that's still the case). Lower-quality means lower range and less armour penetration, higher quality means longer range and more armour penetration (maybe higher accuracy as well, I don't know). The one thing that remains constant is that it's the size of the gun that determines how much bang is in each shell. So if an 18 inch -1 penetrates your armour it will do just as much damage as an 18 inch +1 does--but the +1 is more likely to penetrate that armour, and will do so from farther away. Quality does not have a direct effect on accuracy, but the increased range has an indirect effect. Accuracy falls off as a function of the ratio of current range to maximum range, so if a -1 gun has a range of 20,000 yds and a +1 has a range of 24,000 yds, the +1 will have the same hit chance, ceteris paribus, at 12,000 yds that the -1 does at 10,000 yds. At least, that's what Fredrik led us to believe in RTW1.
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Servetus posted:Probably best to wait until we aren't at near maxed out tension though. It's an 8 month refit to swap out gun barrels. So it can also be tempting to redo machinery in the same time. At least if the design is still effective. Swapping 3" and 4" to solo turrets and DP is a much shorter 4 IIRC. The shortest refits are 3 months, either for de-oldening, or just fire control updates.
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Oct 18, 2019 01:28
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GH may have a war started within the next turn - we could just fight that, then do an upgrade of whatever BBs survive so they're better prepared for the next war.
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Oct 18, 2019 02:32
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Yeah a war will cull our weaker ships through natural selection and we can build something better in their places
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simplefish posted:Yeah a war will cull our weaker ships through natural selection and we can build something better in their places By that we mean exploding them like random British ships at Jutland while they go to dry dock?
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Oct 18, 2019 05:16
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simplefish posted:Proposal: Penny for the Grey Dance Officer posted:Cruiser fleet modernization act of 1930 Infidelicious posted:Capital Idea Act King Hong Kong posted:In that case, I propose the Creative Capital Idea Act: Voting time!
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Oct 18, 2019 05:59
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Penny - Aye Cruiser modernization - Aye Capital - Never ! Creative Capital - ok, aye
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Capital Idea Act - Aye Everything else - Nay
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Oct 18, 2019 07:09
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Creative Capital Idea Act - Aye Everything else - Nay
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Oct 18, 2019 07:17
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Dang it, I meant to second the Grom refit act. Alas
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Creative Capital Idea Act - Aye Everything else - Nay
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Penny - Aye Everything else - nay (I'm just not convinced more building is a great idea right now)
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Oct 18, 2019 09:17
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Once again, this honourable member will vote Nay to all acts proposed this year.
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Oct 18, 2019 09:21
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Pickled Tink posted:Once again, this honourable member will vote Nay to all acts proposed this year. Nay to all No legislation to tie down the admiral before a war
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Oct 18, 2019 10:50
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Does a refit achieve more than the changes that you actively select? Is there value in completing a refit without changing anything (i.e. does a refit impact maintenance cost, reliability, etc)?
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Does a refit achieve more than the changes that you actively select? Is there value in completing a refit without changing anything (i.e. does a refit impact maintenance cost, reliability, etc)? Obsolete ships cost more in monthly maintenance costs. This doesn't matter so much right now, because most of the fleet is either in reserve or mothballed, but will be more when everything goes to active service during the war. I'm not sure if they're more likely to break down, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are. And in this case, what I'm essentially proposing is a few months of drydock time for major maintenance, which removes the increased cost, and is very cheap, itself.
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Creative Capital: Aye Everything else: Nay For what it’s worth, no one actually seconded the non-creative (sorry, Infidelicious) capital idea act. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Oct 18, 2019 14:36
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Danann posted:Capital Idea Act - Aye
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Creative Capital - Aye Nay to the rest
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AYE AYE NAY AYE Veloxyll posted:Dang it, I meant to second the Grom refit act. Alas I'm going to keep resubmitting that legislation until the Grom is a Carrier or a reef, whichever comes first.
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nyet to all We have a war coming up and we need to save cash to fix our poo poo afterwards
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DesperateDan posted:nyet to all The army is just gonna steal what we save over 60m.
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Splode posted:Creative Capital Idea Act - Aye
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Oct 18, 2019 21:19
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They found Kaga! I figured this would be a thread where people would care. https://www.wral.com/deep-sea-explorers-seek-out-sunken-world-war-ii-ships/18705888/
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 ***PRIORITETY ISSLEDOVANIYE 01 JAN 1930 ST PETERSBURG*** YEYE IMPYERATORSKOYE VYELICHYESTVO (FEDOROVNA) pre:Research Area Last research Priority Levels Machinery development Double reduction gears Medium 14 Armour development Integral Armour MEDIUM 14 Hull construction Partial welding MEDIUM 14 Fire control Synthetic fire control Low 18 Subdivision and damage control Non flammable materials MEDIUM 11 Turrets and gun mountings Improved quad turrets Low 16 Ship design More efficient hull HIGH 16 AP Projectiles Improved ballistic cap Medium 10 Light forces and torpedo warfare 2000t displacement DD MEDIUM 15 Torpedo technology Advanced preheater MEDIUM 16 Submarines Imp electric engines Medium 15 ASW technology K-guns Medium 12 Explosive shells Enh explosive filler Low 12 Fleet tactics Advanced signalling High 10 Anti Aircraft artillery Early AA director Medium 7 Naval aviation, lighter than air Imp airship diesel eng MEDIUM 7 Naval Aviation, heavier than air Early air launch torps MEDIUM 3 Shipboard aircraft operation Transverse arrest wires Medium 6 Amphibious operations Elpidifor boats Medium 2 Naval guns 18 inch guns Medium The Bureau of Ordinance cordially submits its research priorities and requests for aircraft for 1929. The Tsarina has reversed her previous position regarding wars. This past April she engaged in an extensive investigation of our naval capabilities, touring our mothballed fleets at port and making several inquiries of naval officers. Her chief object seemed to be a determination of readiness for war with the Austrians. She is also determined that should we go to war, our ships should be more coordinated than theirs; after some confusion we have determined that she is referring both to their adoption of the new advanced signalling protocols, and to their complimentary paint schemes. Accordingly we have assured her majesty that our research priorities are now focused on principles of design and coordination above all others. Warmest regards, BuOrd  ATTN: BY ORDER YEYE IMPYERATORSKOGO VYELICHYESTVO (FEDOROVNA) Open requests: 1928: Fighter to be named the kulak korolevy "Tsarina's Fist" Prioritization of qualities: 1. Range 2. Firepower
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creative capital passes, so warship me! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmi0pa65zkcvgha/AAADcAoppsNhSI-9n4IUId6Ya?dl=0
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 I present the Czar Ivan I Fast Battleship, it's a fine ship that meets battlecruiser speeds while bringing the armor and armament of a battleship to the fight. It has three 16inch triple turrets, a seed of 28 knots and (not seen but in it) 41 medium AA guns with 2 AA directors. Given our main focus in the Baltic with our superior air cover in the area, we can focus on a couple of good quality battleships for the area.  We have the Baltia light carrier. Pushing the limits of light carrier technology, this ship hold 34 planes, 3-inches of flight deck armor and 29 medium AA positions. This ship offers a versitile use for the Baltic and Med (hence the armor) or to be deployed to the far east.
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ROIGHT. WEZ GOT DA DESIGN FOR DA AIR CARRYBOAT DAT'LL GET OUR FITAZ AND BOMBAZ TO DA BATTLE EL PRONTO. DA RASKHODUYEMYY CARRIEZ 34 FLY-Y FINGZ, AZ ALL FACINGZ GUN COVERAGE, AN IZ FAST ENUF TA OUTRUN MOST GITZ ON DA SURFACE IF DEY GETZ ALL CLOSE AN STUFF  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JTx8NPJBSH-xE0I4Fr_x2-CTsl1wt3k_ BUT WEZ FINKS DAT DERE'S MORE VALUE IN A SHIP WIF A PROPPA AMOUNT O DAKKA  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1MqkS1ycSW2sOpzwIt0wgpVl7sRCOUuew DA BEGEMONT HAZ A MASSIV 12 16" KANNONZ, AN DECENT ENUFF SPEED TA CHASE DOWN ANY GITZ ON DA HIGTH SEEZ. AN WE CAN FIT TWO WIFOUT BREAKIN DA FRIGGIN BUDGIT
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As requested by the admiralty, the Imperial Academy Design Bureau presents to you the following designs for this contest. First up is the Budyonny-class. It is a purpose built carrier weighing in at about 16,000 tons of displacement. She carries 34 planes and runs at a 29 knot speed and can sustain that speed for a long time. Her battery of eight 105mm dual purpose guns is complemented by an anti air battery of 26 40mm anti air guns that can intercept any leakers that make it through the initial barrage. Between her speed and likely position during battle, she'll be able to "shoot" her deadly torpedo bomber complement and support the battle line from safely from afar when the inevitable surface clash happens.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/7afaqrzzxse9svk/Budyonny.30d?dl=0 The second design for consideration is a new lease on life for the Ryska Sjön. Simply put while it is incredible that our scientists have managed to copy a British 457mm gun down to its terrible ballistic properties after 10 years, one must question its value on the battle line when we already possess superior battleships in the Potemkin and Imperator Garpun classes. By transforming this battleship into an aircraft carrier, she can now go at a speedy 28 knots and cart an air complement of 42 aircraft, a record setting amount of aircraft carried! To head off concerns about vicious heavy cruisers she is armed with 8 203mm guns on her starboard side and her sixteen 105mm dual purpose guns can destroy both destroyers and aircraft. She boasts a modest anti air battery of 16 40mm guns and 11 20mm guns to deal with any aircraft trying to torpedo her. With this rebuild we are sure she'll contribute much more to the surface fight than as a floating tomb for her sailors.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/1a2c5guppq7c1gg/Ryska%20Sj%C3%B6n%20%28R%201929%29.30d?dl=0
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The Bureau submits the Kirov Class Battleship. The Bureau's philosophy behind the Kirov is based on the following assumptions: - Our main theater of concern is the Baltic - Weather in the Baltic is among the worst in the world. Naval air operations will be unavailable a substantial portion of the time, and engagement ranges are often short due to lack of visibility. - When conditions permit, our land-based aircraft can cover most or all of the Baltic region. - 16 inch guns are likely to become widely deployed over the next 10 years - Armoring for meaningful protection against anything more powerful than high quality 16 inch guns is impractical. Threat analysis indicates the following: - No enemy battleship exceeds 24 kts - Few enemy battlecruisers exceed 26 kts - No enemy ship is protected against high quality 16 inch gunfire - No other navy has embarked upon a serious fleet aircraft carrier effort, though there are a whole lot of fairly useless light carriers Considering these points The Bureau conceived the following as the option that offered the most useful long-term capability to the fleet: - Fast enough to lead the line of battle, and fast enough to hunt enemy BBs or stand off enemy BCs - Armed with high quality 16 inch guns - Protected against high quality 16 inch gunfire - Maximum possible AA suite And so, we present the Kirov:  She is designed to fight and win against any battleship afloat, or that might be launched in the next decade. For most battleships currently operating, she can likely take on as many simultaneously as she wants to, until she runs out of ammo. She is practically immune to all but the heaviest naval guns, can easily penetrate the armor of most of the world's battleships and battlecruisers at any range, and can take any number of aerial torpedoes or bombs, should naval aviation prove itself more lethal in the future.  Why yes, I did.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/4grbtcutpo86a5a/Kirov.30d?dl=0 The Bureau would also like to submit a semi-capital ship for consideration: the Tolstoy Class The Bureau's philosophy behind the Tolstoy is based on the following assumptions: - Winning cruiser battles is an important element of naval warfare, and may be the most important factor in defeating a nation like Austria. - Cruiser hunting is very much a matter of value: while a 50,000 ton, 175 million ruble battlecruiser will get the job done, you could build 3 of the Tolstoy's for the same price, and get three times ship availability - Most of the world's CAs are armed with high quality 10 inch guns; armoring against these on a platform of this size is impractical. Protection against 6" gunfire is very possible. Threat analysis indicates the following: - Our most threatening opponents (particularly A-H) have recently launched large numbers of both heavy and light cruisers - The Austrian Kaiserin und Konigin Maria Theresia is a series of four brand new 10" gun/30 knot heavy cruisers. Every other navy employs CAs of this type. We have nothing in our current inventory capable of dealing with ships with this mix of speed/protection/firepower. The Tolstoy class will be the world's best superheavy cruiser/light battlecruiser. She will easily run down and kill anything lighter than 12,000 tons, and against enemy CAs, her superior firepower will prove decisive (protecting her against 10" gunfire is not practical, however). Note that these ships would be ready months before a full-sized BC or BB, and for between one half and one third of the cost. In addition, as our fleet gradually moves away from surface operations, the Tolstoy class can easily be rebuilt with floatplane catapults and scout planes, allowing them to perform the very important scout/escort role for our eventual fleet carriers.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/y09di4xcrc9sg7m/Tolstoy.30d?dl=0
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The sales pitch alone makes me want to order a half dozen Tolstoy’s.
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Another BB that uses casemates that require 8 months to turn into useable dp guns, for service in the 30s no less. Additionally casemates use deck extended value for top protection, so these are effectively unarmored. Then a 30 knot CA without a splinter proof deck armor scheme. (Which means a single 6" HE hit is capable of crippling her) Bold choices. Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Oct 20, 2019 |
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Ivan's Discount Deathtraps would like to submit the latest in our battleship line. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rnbhelyff425l14/Moskva.30d?dl=0 While firepower's nice, we believe that the true measure of a warship's strength lies in the ability to stay afloat. This has nothing to do with why we are no longer permitted in South America, that was a misunderstanding. The Moskva-class is the ideal of this design. While the armament is limited to a mere six guns, these are almost certainly the finest naval guns afloat. More importantly, even these monstrous guns are unable to pierce the Moskva's thick hide, as the ship is proof against his own guns at any range. In order to save costs, we have implemented a reduced fuel capacity and Spartan crew quarters, allowing us to reduce the size of the ship considerably.
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Gnoman posted:Ivan's Discount Deathtraps would like to submit the latest in our battleship line. Somewhere, a destroyer captain just got an enormous erection, and he cannot explain why.
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My god. Every time I look at that design, I see something new and horrifying. In a way, I admire its purity.
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