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Grapplejack posted:There's an incredible insincerity to it that makes it pandering. It's like all the rainbow poo poo from companies nowadays. Like they could give a hot gently caress whether or not you're murdered in the street, but you're a marketing demo now so enjoy this low-effort dreck, you loving idiot. It's the same with China. They don't care about China, and they don't care about Chinese actors or Chinese stories. There's a Chinese person in the movie because it makes them look good for the CCP, and that's it. it is insincere pandering but the idea that what America does with its military wankery is somehow different or better is actually hilarious
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Oct 19, 2019 17:46
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Kassad posted:It took me 30 seconds on Youtube to find a video with an announcement in Chinese lmao. Announcements in a language other than English in a major financial and tourist hub the scene takes place in MIB headquarters England, which is a tube stop, filled with aliens conversing in their languages and humans speaking english, no tourists and no one is speaking chinese
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Oct 19, 2019 17:53
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Lightning Knight posted:it is insincere pandering but the idea that what America does with its military wankery is somehow different or better is actually hilarious they are completely different phenomena except maybe that they are based in a soulless cash grab, but that describes 90% of phenomena in modernity so
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Oct 19, 2019 17:56
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Lightning Knight posted:it is insincere pandering but the idea that what America does with its military wankery is somehow different or better is actually hilarious It’s in many ways worse because it’s less transparent, but it’s also something very different. Why does every loving conversation here have to come back to the *other* country I can’t stand for some goddamn reason
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Oct 19, 2019 17:59
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Modest Mao posted:they are completely different phenomena except maybe that they are based in a soulless cash grab, but that describes 90% of phenomena in modernity so I don’t really agree with this, both serve the function of propaganda. For China the message is “China is normal and you should like us.” For America it’s “America and it’s military is awesome and good for the world.” LimburgLimbo posted:It’s in many ways worse because it’s less transparent, but it’s also something very different. Because the US and China are both major trading partners and global power competitors and every discussion of one will invariably involve the other.
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Oct 19, 2019 18:04
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also whoever said film earnings are divorced from ticket sales I still think you're trying to make some other point that's maybe not completely formed in your head. Your posts are near illegible and you used the word monopoly a lot when it made no sense to. I also think you should maybe take some time on your next response because the idea that a film makes 2 billion in ticket revenue but isn't a high earning film vs some film that sold no tickets despite being in hundreds of theaters is The Big Money Earner is just so ludicrous its laughable, and you give absolutely no evidence for your claims just spill forth more trash into my thread
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Oct 19, 2019 18:05
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t really agree with this, both serve the function of propaganda. For China the message is “China is normal and you should like us.” For America it’s “America and it’s military is awesome and good for the world.” okay yeah there is a mix, I suppose, of things going on. There are chinese studios and investors putting their talent, products, or maybe just ideas into western productions. That's more akin to the military's methods but I agree "china is normal and you should like us" is on the opposite side of the spectrum from the oo rah bullshit. I guess the stuff I listed was unfairly criticizing that as westerners pandering to chinese when it's more complicated. I still think it's vapid and insincere as I've seen so far, but that might be because western productions haven't embraced it. Or because it's a mix of a cash grab for the chinese investors as well as a way to get their talent involved in western productions without concern for quality... it's more the western studios volunteering their own chinese pandering in a vapid, insincere and different way that is kinda disgusting
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Oct 19, 2019 18:12
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for decades the whole rest of the world has been just kinda rolling they eyes and not letting it ruin the movie for them when spider-man flys past a giant american flag in slow motion or whatever. Americans are just gonna have to get used to there suddenly being a chinese minion sometimes.
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Oct 19, 2019 18:16
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Lightning Knight posted:it is insincere pandering but the idea that what America does with its military wankery is somehow different or better is actually hilarious I will let pandering slide if the product placement is for "the world's best" things such as the Dubai building in MI4. Most of the military porn in Bayformers no but A10 shooting up poo poo is okay.
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Oct 19, 2019 19:18
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whatever7 posted:I will let pandering slide if the product placement is for "the world's best" things such as the Dubai building in MI4. Most of the military porn in Bayformers no but A10 shooting up poo poo is okay. the Dubai action beats were actually really good in that movie tho. 
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Oct 19, 2019 19:22
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I thought it was funny that they probably paid Angelababy a shitload to say like three lines in Independence Day Resurgence
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Oct 19, 2019 20:08
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https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1185208570838695936 China is the only superpower taking action to curtail the gamer menace.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:57
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And nothing of value was lost.
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Oct 19, 2019 21:05
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Oct 19, 2019 21:23
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Stocking posted:for decades the whole rest of the world has been just kinda rolling they eyes and not letting it ruin the movie for them when spider-man flys past a giant american flag in slow motion or whatever. Americans are just gonna have to get used to there suddenly being a chinese minion sometimes. Spider-Man is an American comic book hero and typically movies are set in America. I suppose next you’ll be critiquing how Captain America lays it on too heavy with the American themes
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Oct 19, 2019 23:07
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sincx posted:Gamers v China is the best thing to come out of the HK mess. Having to see gamers act righteous is one of the worst things on this earth
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Oct 19, 2019 23:18
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420 Gank Mid posted:https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1185208570838695936 so china is trump
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Oct 20, 2019 00:20
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Question: Is there any evidence he's banned in China or do we have to take Twitter person's word for it. I imagine YouTube isn't available in China anyways, so why would they specifically have to ban ol' Pewds.
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Oct 20, 2019 00:39
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pewdiepie’s platform is YouTube, which is already blocked in China so that seems either untrue or pointless
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Oct 20, 2019 00:44
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Lambert posted:Question: Is there any evidence he's banned in China or do we have to take Twitter person's word for it. I imagine YouTube isn't available in China anyways, so why would they specifically have to ban ol' Pewds. The real question is, why wouldn't they?
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Oct 20, 2019 00:48
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us pop culture went thru a similar phase with the Japanese in the 80s so it’s not particularly novel I’m more curious about how well Korean media (Kpop, cinema) gets absorbed by the West since that’s getting boosted by the Korean government in a less hamfisted manner
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Oct 20, 2019 00:58
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shrike82 posted:us pop culture went thru a similar phase with the Japanese in the 80s so it’s not particularly novel Korean media doesn't seem to make much impact in the United States at all, despite its obvious global reach. Americans are really slow to catch on to global trends in general, because we always expect to be the cultural hegemon.
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Oct 20, 2019 01:01
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Korean media doesn't seem to make much impact in the United States at all, despite its obvious global reach. Americans are really slow to catch on to global trends in general, because we always expect to be the cultural hegemon. As a K-pop album is #1 this week
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Oct 20, 2019 01:04
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there’s a pretty well established historical trend of foreign music doing well in the US whereas movies often have not. conversely Chinese movies have been doing well in the US whereas I don’t think Chinese music has.
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Oct 20, 2019 01:13
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GoutPatrol posted:As a K-pop album is #1 this week How many Koreans had to die in order to create this album?
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Oct 20, 2019 01:16
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chinese dialogue/actors in American movies gets labeled as “pandering” because of anti chinese racism. it’s the exact same argument gamergatizens make against video games “pandering” to women and ethnic minorities by including them.
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Oct 20, 2019 01:23
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kpop and kcinema are such different quantities in the terms of the forces behind them you really cant compare them in the same thought kpop has the backing of sm which has spent decades analyzing the strategies and weaknesses of other music markets and has figured out all sorts of dirty tricks to vastly improve market exposure that cost relatively little theres not much they can do about the obviously insular american music press but theyve definitely figured out how to connect with fans and offer them something major american music companies cant or wont the film industry doesnt have that option because of the extent to which the major american studios control distribution bong joon ho only just figured out that they constantly move goalposts in response to serious competition he made a movie entirely in english to get past the foreign language barrier and weinstein still hosed him he jumped over to netflix and the entire industry screamed bloody murder at him for daring to make a serious film without the approval of the proper distribution channels for technical bullshit reasons they cant actually explain to a normal person so he finally just threw his hands up in the air and made a movie so offbeat and weird it wasnt obviously marketable anywhere and now its his greatest success of all time because it turns out trying to kiss the rear end of the american film monopoly is a complete waste of time if youre trying to make an international success even though this has been a very strong year for korean film in general im not holding my breath for anyone in the west to notice this because the american film press is still publishing the same lovely articles as usual this one from the hollywood reporter in particular has been giving me headaches because its a giant red flag saying please ignore parasite korean films actually suck now that came out right ahead of busan basically punching any decent prospects for the year ahead in the dick on second thought you probably shouldnt listen to me person who actually knows poo poo about the film industry listen to modest mao the guy who made a completely unfounded racist assertion about how asian people watch movies knows nothing about the importance of secondary revenue sources strawmans serious posts that he obviously doesnt understand and apparently owner of this thread
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Oct 20, 2019 01:28
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etalian posted:How many Koreans had to die in order to create this album? its like the death star battle plans
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Oct 20, 2019 01:34
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etalian posted:How many Koreans had to die in order to create this album? is there something I can read about how the K-Pop industry works? I occasionally see stories about artists being found dead and it seems like it's often enough, and to young people, to suggest that there's something really hosed about it
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Oct 20, 2019 03:15
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When will the world stand up to the Korean organ harvesting operation known as K-pop???
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Oct 20, 2019 03:21
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gradenko_2000 posted:is there something I can read about how the K-Pop industry works? I occasionally see stories about artists being found dead and it seems like it's often enough, and to young people, to suggest that there's something really hosed about it its not great for sure but the problems with it are overexaggerated because english press only ever talks about it when something bad happens and the worst of it isnt publicly bad stuff so much as it is weinstein style rape culture reporting on sulli has been especially bad because she wasnt actually even in kpop anymore shed transitioned to variety shows and lately had been best known for picking fights with internet chuds my favorite factoid has been reporting describing her as having appeared in a superhero movie a detail whose only possible source appears to be from misreading one of my reviews
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Oct 20, 2019 03:49
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Homeless Friend posted:Lmao both at the framing of the US here and implying China has treated Muslims worse. If we're talking about Muslims in their own country then yeah China is treating them way, way worse
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Oct 20, 2019 04:55
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kpop is trash, the ccp should ban it too
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Oct 20, 2019 04:59
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Jewel Repetition posted:If we're talking about Muslims in their own country then yeah China is treating them way, way worse I was trying to look for that video of the japanese guy declaring himself running for potus, since cutting it off at the border is insanely arbitrary, but youtubing 'japanese guy declares candidacy' all comes up yanggang 
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Oct 20, 2019 05:38
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Oct 20, 2019 05:47
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uninterrupted posted:chinese dialogue/actors in American movies gets labeled as “pandering” because of anti chinese racism. Does it count as pandering when it's done solely to appease government censors, rather than the viewing public? Because the reaction from Chinese audiences about having stuff shoehorned into Iron Man or Transformers seems to be mixed. Hollywood enters into co-production with Chinese companies to avert the limit on foreign films entering the market, and sometimes the terms of those co-productions require a certain amount of Chinese actors, dialogue, or locations to be recognized as legitimate by the CCP. At least, that's my understanding, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Oct 20, 2019 05:49
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Give it up already, Jesus. E: HKers I mean
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