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Race Realists posted:https://twitter.com/snugunim/status/1184972967823974400?s=19 Legit question: How are men supposed to display their emotions without it being emotional labor? The whole "all emotions are valid" vs "men give emotional labor to women" thing confuses the gently caress out of me
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I mean you can talk about it to other men. I don’t know why you have to talk about it to women.
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Oct 20, 2019 12:50
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean you can talk about it to other men. "your emotions are valid but don't talk to women about them" doesn't seem like a good takeaway
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Oct 20, 2019 12:56
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Business Gorillas posted:"your emotions are valid but don't talk to women about them" doesn't seem like a good takeaway well yeah but if your really trying you can make anything look bad. Don’t do bad faith interpretations and you will be fine
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Oct 20, 2019 12:57
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Business Gorillas posted:Legit question: Thats a completely insane conception of emotional labour and anyone who makes that argument is at best a moron and at worst a genuine neoliberal. So don't worry.
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Oct 20, 2019 13:00
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i'm not trying to do a bad faith thing and apologize if it came out like that. i'm probably coming off as brash because literally every interaction i've had with people supportive of this is "men should be able to express themselves, just don't inconvenience me with your emotions" hence the confusion
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Oct 20, 2019 13:00
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Business Gorillas posted:i'm not trying to do a bad faith thing and apologize if it came out like that. i'm probably coming off as brash because literally every interaction i've had with people supportive of this is "men should be able to express themselves, just don't inconvenience me with your emotions" I mean the concept is you can express your emotions but like I don’t think the idea is to tell them to like strangers. Like friends and family are different which I think is the group that is actually who are expected to listen
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Oct 20, 2019 13:04
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Business Gorillas posted:i'm not trying to do a bad faith thing and apologize if it came out like that. i'm probably coming off as brash because literally every interaction i've had with people supportive of this is "men should be able to express themselves, just don't inconvenience me with your emotions" It's just one of those 1980s academic things that has been completely distorted. emotional labour originally referred to stuff like waiters having to be polite to customers and women raising children domestically and it doesn't really make any sense when you start applying it to every expression of emotion on someone else. 2015 tumblr stuff
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Oct 20, 2019 13:04
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Farm Frenzy posted:It's just one of those 1980s academic things that has been completely distorted. emotional labour originally referred to stuff like waiters having to be polite to customers and women raising children domestically and it doesn't really make any sense when you start applying it to every expression of emotion on someone else. 2015 tumblr stuff CharlestheHammer posted:I mean the concept is you can express your emotions but like I don’t think the idea is to tell them to like strangers. Yeah I'm just starting to think my exposure has exclusively been through terrible people. Thanks for the clarification!
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Oct 20, 2019 13:19
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Lol? https://twitter.com/pewdiepie/status/1185673752027238400?s=20
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Oct 20, 2019 14:15
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TenementFunster posted:why the hell are these closet maga dorks so hot on gabbard? is it because they think she’ll be jill stein 2020? yea, and also she is aligned with islamophobic hindu nationalists. honestly im more confused by the cryptomagas hyping yang
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Oct 20, 2019 14:43
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people like gabbard and yang because they entertain common sense leftist arguments without actually being scary socialists. which isnt a lot but its obviously way better than any mainstream democrats and dumbasses like pool don't think about things at any greater depth
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Oct 20, 2019 14:56
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Tulsi gets chuds by tapping into the same "economic anxiety" that Trump tapped into, but framing it in generally left terms. She also is nominally antiwar, but chuds read correctly that she just wants war against the same people they hate.
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Oct 20, 2019 15:43
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Business Gorillas posted:Legit question: Doing it in a way that isn't just 1000% blaming women and the gays and minorities for ruining the world for you personally. P. easy poo poo. Like I dunno if you've seen....movies or the internet but dudes are talking abuot their feelings all the goddamn time. you can't not see it.
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Oct 20, 2019 15:45
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Farm Frenzy posted:people like gabbard and yang because they entertain common sense leftist arguments without actually being scary socialists. which isnt a lot but its obviously way better than any mainstream democrats and dumbasses like pool don't think about things at any greater depth Gabbard is most definitely not better than mainstream democrats.
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Oct 20, 2019 15:51
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Business Gorillas posted:Legit question: The goal is to have an equal exchange. Men tend to not do any emotional labor but demand it. They also tend to not talk about their emotions in any meaningful way until they explode and someone has to do a lot of work to put them back together. Men need to do more emotional labor and also be willing to talk about their emotions in situations beyond cataclysmic
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Oct 20, 2019 16:26
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Also, just consider going to goddamn therapy? Like gently caress you go to a physician for a broken leg, go to a therapist/psych for bad brains or a bad time.
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Oct 20, 2019 16:45
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Grape posted:Gabbard is most definitely not better than mainstream democrats. being vaguely anti intervention gets her a lot of points to them
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Oct 20, 2019 17:19
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Kit Walker posted:The goal is to have an equal exchange. Men tend to not do any emotional labor but demand it. They also tend to not talk about their emotions in any meaningful way until they explode and someone has to do a lot of work to put them back together. Men need to do more emotional labor and also be willing to talk about their emotions in situations beyond cataclysmic its a shame capitalism is doing that to men
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Oct 20, 2019 17:58
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jacobin on gabbard for those interested in a long read. steve bannon praised her foreign policy views, make of that what u will
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Oct 20, 2019 18:17
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Whether she's playing the role as a willing participant or not, Gabbard is clearly being positioned as a spoiler to help Trump be reelected. All her signal boosting is on the right, including Fox News, and most of us probably see her being brought up in various online discussions and forums by right wingers much more so than anyone on the left, so I assume she's getting a lot of signal boost on all the Breitbarts, AmericanThinker/Spectator/Federalist/Shapiro type places you'd expect. She has no real constituency within the Democrats.
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Oct 20, 2019 18:26
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Zwabu posted:Whether she's playing the role as a willing participant or not, Gabbard is clearly being positioned as a spoiler to help Trump be reelected. All her signal boosting is on the right, including Fox News, and most of us probably see her being brought up in various online discussions and forums by right wingers much more so than anyone on the left, so I assume she's getting a lot of signal boost on all the Breitbarts, AmericanThinker/Spectator/Federalist/Shapiro type places you'd expect. Why does this help Trump get elected?
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Oct 20, 2019 18:42
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Zwabu posted:Whether she's playing the role as a willing participant or not, Gabbard is clearly being positioned as a spoiler to help Trump be reelected. All her signal boosting is on the right, including Fox News, and most of us probably see her being brought up in various online discussions and forums by right wingers much more so than anyone on the left, so I assume she's getting a lot of signal boost on all the Breitbarts, AmericanThinker/Spectator/Federalist/Shapiro type places you'd expect. I dunno, her only real political future at this point is under a Bernie or maaaaaaaybe a Warren administration or within a party that has been gutted by Bernie. Her running spoiler basically dooms her but her backing Bernie again doesn't
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Oct 20, 2019 18:42
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Why does this help Trump get elected? Only if she runs as a third party after getting eliminated in the Dem primary.
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Oct 20, 2019 18:49
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Zwabu posted:Only if she runs as a third party after getting eliminated in the Dem primary. even then? she's at 0% and everybody I've heard speaking glowingly of her are right-leaning even the "i want a woman president no matter what" crowd probably wouldn't go for her unless they're chud ladies because returning the backstab to Clinton likely constitutes an unforgivable sin for them
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Epic High Five posted:even then? she's at 0% and everybody I've heard speaking glowingly of her are right-leaning I'm not saying it's likely to work at all. The GOP realizes Trump is poo poo and is in trouble. Even in a low turnout divided electorate election like 2016 he was down 3 million votes and scraped by with tiny margins in a handful of midwetern states. And he's only polarized and pissed off people more since. Even without a poo poo candidate like Trump the only way going forward for the GOP to get electoral success is through gaming the system every way possible. Aside from actually reforming their policies,  Because of inexorable demographics. Vote suppression, disinformation, gerrymandering, spoiler candidates, and frank cheating.Even their voters recognize this on a subconscious or conscious level. This is why whenever there's noise about a spoiler like Bloomberg, or Schultz, or now potentially Tulsi, and there's a high profile article about them somewhere, righty shitheads get all excited online and start talking the person up, after they've been signal boosted by all the righty media. With CHUDs I'm familiar with online this is incredibly predictable. They're always the ones to link articles about this type of candidate when a little buzz pops up around them. They're all gleeful rubbing their hands together, like "lol Dems Bloomberg/Schultz/Tulsi gonna gently caress you over!" They never have anything to say when these candidates (like Schultz) show that they have no actual political mojo and fizzle out. They just enjoy their little pipe dream (and any imagined fear or consternation they feel they might have caused non rightys) while they can. We see it less on SA because the real knuckle draggers get probated and banned, or just run away because they can't take getting dogpiled. But on less moderated boards, even when they're in the distinct minority, they post their memes and Youtube videos and bullshit endlessly.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:jacobin on gabbard for those interested in a long read. steve bannon praised her foreign policy views, make of that what u will Christ I didn't realize Gabbard practically lived on Fox News 
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean you can talk about it to other men. The point is that women are socialized and often forced to do emotional labour in their relationships, where their male friends and partners don't return the favour. It's one-sided as gently caress to do active listening, comfort a guy, discuss his feelings and help him relate, and then loving tumbleweeds when it's time to talk about your own problems. In more uplifting news: Alt-rights and assorted fash tried to hold the "Scandza 2019" conference in secret in Copenhagen last saturday. Greg Johnson and the Golden One were invited, but I don't think TGO showed. They bragged a lot about keeping the location secret from antifa, but it was of course leaked in the early hours of the morning, leading a huge anti-fascist protest to harass and block attendees. Our noble aryan heroes had lied to a christian charity corps to rent their meeting hall under the guise of an interpreter conference - going so far as to ask to rent their kitchen, "because we'll have muslims attending"  Long story short, 4 people and 1 fascist were arrested, and the charity org leader tore the fascists a new rear end in a top hat, declaring their ideology illegal and cowardly on national tv 
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Oct 20, 2019 19:11
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https://twitter.com/iamchrisscott/status/1185978919213785091
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Oct 20, 2019 19:16
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Nice that he took the time to iron his face.
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Oct 20, 2019 19:20
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Epic High Five posted:even then? she's at 0% and everybody I've heard speaking glowingly of her are right-leaning i think it only works if the dems nominate someone like biden so tulsi can depress dem votes from the left antiestablishment leaners. if she is around attacking the dem from the left it will take the focus off the need to defeat trump and we’ll get into the “both candidates are equally bad” takes. (to be sure, that would happen regardless with someone like biden, but she’ll have a fairly big platform for it that she’s willing to let the right wing media amplify for her)
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Oct 20, 2019 19:33
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:i think it only works if the dems nominate someone like biden so tulsi can depress dem votes from the left antiestablishment leaners. if she is around attacking the dem from the left it will take the focus off the need to defeat trump and we’ll get into the “both candidates are equally bad” takes. (to be sure, that would happen regardless with someone like biden, but she’ll have a fairly big platform for it that she’s willing to let the right wing media amplify for her) Lol
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:i think it only works if the dems nominate someone like biden so tulsi can depress dem votes from the left antiestablishment leaners. if she is around attacking the dem from the left it will take the focus off the need to defeat trump and we’ll get into the “both candidates are equally bad” takes. (to be sure, that would happen regardless with someone like biden, but she’ll have a fairly big platform for it that she’s willing to let the right wing media amplify for her) not to get too succ but considering biden has spent months telling everyone under the age of 40 to gently caress off, he ain't gonna need a spoiler to depress the vote lol
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Business Gorillas posted:not to get too succ but considering biden has spent months telling everyone under the age of 40 to gently caress off, he ain't gonna need a spoiler to depress the vote lol i acknowledged this fact. the question was what use tulsi could be to the right and that’s the scenario the right has in mind imo. same way they loved stein and nader. biden is just handing her the talking points on a silver platter bc he’s all-in on The Olds and also seems to think the british PM is margaret thatcher and he’s running against the gipper at the height of his popularity
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Race Realists posted:https://twitter.com/snugunim/status/1184972967823974400?s=19 You ever wonder how anime geeks get into traditional masculinity poo poo despite most anime protagonists being very frail teenage boys who talk about their feelings a lot and every woman around them is inexplicably attracted to them. How do you go from that to "clearly it is SEXUAL DEVIANCY and THE SCHOOL SYSTEM that is preventing me from getting laid" also I don't get the whole "having sex with lots of people is sexual deviancy but jacking off to lolicon is not" poo poo. one wonders if you could use their own weird biotruths logic against them and make them sad by going, "clearly loving lots of attractive people is the evolutionary advantageous position, while your only sexual activity is cumming on a picture of a 12-year old and therefore your genes will be removed from this earth as is good and proper" SunAndSpring has issued a correction as of 21:21 on Oct 20, 2019 |
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I think for male geeks and outcasts of various sorts there's a sort of crossroads probably met around 15 or so. Where one road is called "Man gently caress all this macho crap making me feel bad for whatever I'm doing, gently caress that poo poo." The other road is called the alt-right.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:i should note that you gotta open the tweet and read the pic's caption thing Funny how much rightwingers care about "IQ" when it measures one thing and one thing only: your ability to score above X% of the population on an IQ test. Sure it correlates with things like education and abstract reasoning skills but so do family wealth and whether you're caffeinated vs sleep-deprived when you take the test, but somehow mysteriously they always recycle the exact same pseudoscientific and/or racist arguments to claim some intrinsic superiority.
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