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All according to plan for brain mastermind CUMINIC DOMMINGS!
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Oct 21, 2019 12:55
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Wonder if Cummies realises that you can't just make a plan by picking random sentences out of the classics
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Years and Years is absolutely worth watching but you're going to hate it if you can only engage with culture as something purely political, because it's politics are stupid in a variety of ways. If on the other hand you just watch it as entertainment then it's a compelling, occasionally touching drama that doesnt take itself completely seriously, with an excellent cast that have great chemistry and Emma Thompson's turn as a villain steals every scene she's in.
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To be a pedantAzza Bamboo posted:The Ireland Issue 101 The IPP reached its zenith in the late 19th century when it became the dominate political force in Ireland in the 1885 election - as they controlled the balance of power at Westminster on several occasions they used their leverage to push for Home Rule (where Ireland would remain under the monarchy but with their own parliament restored, an institution which only briefly had legislative independence from Westminster in the late 18th century before the act of union merged it into the commons). Home Rule had its supporters and opponents within GB and persistent attempts at reform split the Liberal party in half and toppled a government in the late 19th century. In reaction to the third drive for home rule in the early twentieth century, which seemed likely to pass, various political and military figures openly supported the formation of the Ulster Volunteers who swore to oppose the implementation of home rule by force if necessary (and where discreetly armed with smuggled weapons with the full knowledge of senior members of the armed forces who privately supported them). This prompted the creation of a counter Irish Volunteer group who promised to fight for home rule if necessary. Unionism however was not exclusively northern and various Unionists from other counties had considerable influence especially in Westminster - they where often at odds with the Ulster Unionists whos specific interest was preserving Ulster remained in the Union and ultimately the two factions would split over the issue of partition, which many southern unionists opposed favouring a limited home rule that would keep the island as a whole together with a weaker relationship to London quote:Britain conscripted from Ireland in order to provide soldiers for its varied war efforts. This did nothing to help the resentment, and even managed to create armed units of angry supporters of Irish independence who wanted to form an Irish republic. Some of these units engaged in conflicts with the Ulster Unionist paramilitaries. Conscription was never actually enforced in Ireland for WW1 - however both the Irish Volunteers and Ulster Volunteers joined the army en masse in the belief that a demonstration of loyalty would secure their objectives. The heavy casaulties suffered by the Ulster Volunteers at the Somme would serve to be an important foundational element of Ulster Unionism going forward - a blood debt of loyalty that crossed class and served as an animating central myth to a broad coalition that stretched from working class dockworkers to landlords. Not all Irish Volunteers joined the army and the rump still in Ireland was infiltrated by the revolutionary Irish Republican Brotherhood who saw the volunteers as the perfect vechile for revolutionary change - through a gradual process high placed IRB members convinced the volunteers leadership of the need for revolutionary action. Simultaneously socialist elements in Ireland, who had been weakened after the defeat of a high profile strike action in Dublin, began openly supporting the idea of an immediate armed revolution in reaction to WW1 - the Volunteers, getting wind of this, approached their leadership and convinced them to work in concert with them to pool their efforts to maximize success. quote:The republicans eventually launched their rebellion in Dublin in 1916. They were brutally crushed by a hugely disproportionate response from Britain. Britain’s brutality in this matter would prove to be its downfall, as it saw support for the cause of independence skyrocket. The overwhelming success of the Irish repblican party Sinn Fein in subsequent elections combined with increasing numbers for the new Irish Republican Army had the Irish form their own parliament and force the British to respect it. This was the Irish war of Independence. The initial crushing of the rising wasn't met with too much opposition as many sympathetic to their aims saw it as badly timed (and seemingly open calls for German assistance fell flat with a populace who had sent sons to the trenches a few years before) and the invovlement of socialist elements saw several papers paint it as an extremist anti-clerical revolution set on destroying Irish society. Ultimately it was the imposition of martial law post rising, the speedy execution of the risings leaders (who where revealed to include several upstanding well educated as opposed to the rowdy band of malcontents intiially pushed by the papers) and the mass internment of independence activists unconnected to the rising that shifted public opinion. The British authorities blamed Sinn Fein who where actually completely uninvolved with the rising, but pushed them to prominence and motivated many republicans, interned together in camps where they shared ideas, to join the movement to shape it to be a vechile for the newly unified republican movement. However the real catalyst for mass support for independence came with the attempts to impose conscription in Ireland in 1918 by tying it into home rule - this prompted a wave of general strikes and mass movement politics that ultimately helped carry SF to a resounding electoral victory.
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Braggart posted:Indeed. "This deal will get Brexit done" is the Tory party line and is being heavily amplified without any criticism by most of the media. What else is the average person meant to think? Yeah I was chatting to some university students on the weekend and I was expecting them to be very anti brexit but the overriding view was that they just want brexit to be over and done with. Shame I wasn't articulate enough to point out that brexit is just the beginning, not the end... if you're sick of brexit, then cancelling it will get it over and done with.
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Oct 21, 2019 13:05
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I’m always so thankful for the posters from over the water who keep us corrected on NI politics, because it’s about the only source of it I’m liable to get without popping down the nearest orange lodge.
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Oct 21, 2019 13:06
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"All according to keikaku" - Dominic-cumpai.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I’m always so thankful for the posters from over the water who keep us corrected on NI politics, because it’s about the only source of it I’m liable to get without popping down the nearest orange lodge. *lambeg drums intensify*
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kustomkarkommando posted:Irish history All correct but quoting to highlight the Irish Republican Brotherhood. They were stunning effective and basically the Irish Illuminati
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Oct 21, 2019 13:17
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Gorn Myson posted:Years and Years is absolutely worth watching but you're going to hate it if you can only engage with culture as something purely political, because it's politics are stupid in a variety of ways. The best scene, by far, is her private interaction with Steven before the meeting about the camps. Utterly vapid and in way over her head.
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Oct 21, 2019 13:20
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186255157648154624 The Lib Dems are going to block a wrecking amendment that could stop Brexit altogether because they don't want to be seen to back any form of Brexit.
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Oct 21, 2019 13:22
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I’m always so thankful for the posters from over the water who keep us corrected on NI politics, because it’s about the only source of it I’m liable to get without popping down the nearest orange lodge. Nineteen Eighteen!
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186255157648154624 Can someone make  but it’s jo Swinson?
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Oct 21, 2019 13:26
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Nice to see people enjoying National Ignore Roundabout Rules Day for the 300th time this year.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Can someone make 
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Ratjaculation posted:Nice to see people enjoying National Ignore Roundabout Rules Day for the 300th time this year. maybe if they were Straightforward Rules people would pay more attention!! 
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I’m always so thankful for the posters from over the water who keep us corrected on NI politics, because it’s about the only source of it I’m liable to get without popping down the nearest orange lodge. Yeah, all this stuff is very interesting. Thanks!
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Oct 21, 2019 14:01
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Ratjaculation posted:Nice to see people enjoying National Ignore Roundabout Rules Day for the 300th time this year. 1: cars from the right win if they hit you 2: go faster 3: if tyres aren't squealing, see rule 2 4: hunt the cars coming from the left mercilessly 5: if in doubt, foot flat out
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https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1186250252191457280 I'm not exactly a raging unionist, but this deal really is breaking up the UK to 'deliver Brexit'. It's exactly what May said no jabby fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1186250252191457280 Good thing she’s not a british PM then 
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1186250252191457280 I'm amazed people are only realising this now. Like I barely understand interpol but having a customs border in the Irish sea would clearly need regulation equal to all other borders, right?
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CGI Stardust posted:maybe if they were Straightforward Rules people would pay more attention!! blocked
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Ratjaculation posted:I'm amazed people are only realising this now. Like I barely understand interpol but having a customs border in the Irish sea would clearly need regulation equal to all other borders, right? No you see it's not a customs border it's a staggered regulatory interface zone.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Good thing she’s not a british PM then Good point, although they might have to go back to calling them that if this deal goes through.
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Has anyone been keeping an eye on the Stormont pantomime today? The SDLP condemned the "stunt" then turned up and declared it a stunt, then performed their own stunt in walking out en masse leaving the entire farce without the cross-party support required to allow anything to happen. Then the DUP and the TUV walked out. Two Birds gave a wee speech and refused to nominate any speakers, and then the and his party completed the walk out, leaving whoever that was in the big chair to ask an empty chamber if they agreed that it was close of business. Fairly normal politics in Stormont, to be fair.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1186250252191457280 It seems more like putting barriers up for NI, and then having the rolling "democratic consent" votes to continue implementing it, so that it becomes Northern Ireland's fault. It punts the whole border issue to the NI government, throws them under the bus economically, and basically says "you sort it out". Except of course it won't be portrayed that way, it'll be the Tories wringing their hands about the integrity of the union and how we all need to stick together like it's all Northern Ireland's fault it's a short term fix really, whether the tories believe they'll be able to square the circle in the future, or if it's all a cynical ploy to get a win for their own political benefit, exercise for the reader eh
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Ratjaculation posted:I'm amazed people are only realising this now. Like I barely understand interpol but having a customs border in the Irish sea would clearly need regulation equal to all other borders, right? it also means we take back control of are borders and laws!!!! by uh, quote:Without prejudice to paragraph 4 of this Article, Union representatives shall have the right to quote:Authorities of the United Kingdom shall not act as leading authority for risk assessments, doing what we're told by the EU yeah!!!
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Jealous Cow posted:Amongst those in NI, who is for and who is against reunification? Nationalists: (pro-reunification) Sinn Féin SDLP Aontú Not all Catholics but there is a correlation. Unionists: (anti-reunification this makes sense really) DUP UUP TUV PUP Tories Not all Protestants but there is a correlation. Non-ideological: :zizek: Alliance Greens People Before Profit
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ok so parliament's back, baby looks like there's Defence chat (24 questions, I'm sure the minister just quoted Stalin) and then Bercow's making a statement
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Ataxerxes posted:Also, could someone please explain the whole Stormont thing? I lived in Aberdeen between 2002 and 2007 and I didn't hear a whole lot about it then. It's a devolved parliament that, due to some sort of disadreement, hasn't been sitting for a while? The good friday agreement requires the Northern Ireland assembly to form a government of two parties, one party cannot simply hold the majority itself. I believe the idea is that a unionist and a nationalist party are forced to get along, creating a government that keeps nastiness in the 6 counties at a minimum. For a long time now Sinn Fein has been steadily gaining support and has been demanding liberal laws: abortion and gay marriage as well as as recognition of Irish gaelic as an official language in NI. The DUP has refused these, Sinn Fein refuses to compromise, and that impasse has meant that a government has simply not been able to form under the agreement. Sinn Fein's social democracy and liberal causes pit against the DUP's extra conservative standpoints is creating a situation you might be able to recognise from having spent time in Scotland: the United Kingdom being framed as the regressive political elite with the nationalist cause standing for social justice. The difference being, of course, that the Irish have an independent nation next door and in that nation Sinn Fein are able to demonstrate what independence looks like: gay marriage, and Irish being a recognised official language. It's clear to me, at least, that every step forward the Republic of Ireland makes is yet another chink in the unionists armor. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Guavanaut posted:Nationalists: (pro-reunification) Thanks. Wasn’t even aware of a few of those groups.
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United Kingdom of Great Britain And Northern Island has become Foreverial Tiedup Britain and it was fully brexitized with its countries and economy and literally its whole geographical area changed into a permanent gammon version with permanent gammon peoples and newspapers and a permanent gammon, straw and unelected prime minister. Fully wrapped like a mummy, tiedup this way to remain and always negotiating with a permanent drop in its pound and a permanent gammon government negotiating constantly ready to prorogue anyone or anything with its permanent gammon, straw and unelected prime minister.
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Sorry I meant to quote whoever inspired that but I can't find their post so now you'll have to enjoy it devoid of context
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So does Stormont making a Jealous Cow posted:Thanks. Wasn’t even aware of a few of those groups. Peadar Tóibín is the Irish version of Peter Tobin, a famous Scottish serial killer and sex offender (unrelated).
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Oct 21, 2019 14:55
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https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1186278289867988994 Guys if we just refuse to compromise even slightly I'm sure it'll all work out in the end.
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Guavanaut posted:Peadar Tóibín is the Irish version of Peter Tobin, a famous Scottish serial killer and sex offender (unrelated). What a twist that sentence was. At first I thought you were saying the Irish equivalent of “Juan is the Spanish version of John” and then it went off the rails.
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