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C-Euro posted:Congrats Hellsau congrats to ghostly flicker as well. come at the king, you best not miss
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I can't fathom why they wouldn't hit something in Modern or Legacy (they went out of their way to assure us no Vintage shenanigans right before eternal weekend). Guess I'm done with those formats for a while, I'm really sick of nothing but Urza and Wrenn and Six piles respectively.
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ShaneB posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21?c I am about to be a mod on the new Pioneer subreddit. Who else wants in? 
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I can't fathom why they wouldn't hit something in Modern or Legacy ShaneB posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21?c
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ShaneB posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21?c I don't hate it. I do hate that I've pretty much dumped all my old Standard stuff that rotated out so I'd need to rebuy anything I particularly wanted to build though. I'll wait and see if it gains any momentum and just stick to EDH for now.
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ShaneB posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21?c Deathrite will never be allowed to be good in any playable formats
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I actually like the Pioneer set lists, but I just don't see it taking off.
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Love that the middle column of their Pioneer graphic represents the sets that were present when standard was at it's worst. Can't wait to revisit those bant coco, rally the ancestors, aetherworks marvel and energy decks. also,  it's another new format that won't show up on arena.
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I'm... not a huge supporter of this? But I guess banning Fetches makes it easy to two distinct eternal formats, Modern with relatively easy good mana and Pioneer with more constrained, color defined mana. Also the FOD is dead. Long live FOOD.
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ShaneB posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21?c Reading into this I guess we aren't getting fetches into standard in the later sets this block.
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Cactrot posted:Love that the middle column of their Pioneer graphic represents the sets that were present when standard was at it's worst. Can't wait to revisit those bant coco, rally the ancestors, aetherworks marvel and energy decks. I wonder if it will be as big of an issue when you have a wider array of cards in the format to mitigate them? Really wish I didn't sell off my Spell Quellers. I'd love to bring UW spirits back with stuff like T3feri.
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axeil posted:Reading into this I guess we aren't getting fetches into standard in the later sets this block.
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axeil posted:Reading into this I guess we aren't getting fetches into standard in the later sets this block. I thought that at first, too, but I can see them just tacking them onto the Pioneer banlist as soon as they're announced since banning the other 5 sends the clear message to not expect them to be allowed.
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Someone help with this pioneer thing and explain if its good for a returning player too poor to get into modern (me)
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As someone who’s not played much constructed since the late 90s, I’m legit excited for pioneer
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Dom is Here posted:Someone help with this pioneer thing and explain if its good for a returning player too poor to get into modern (me) Maybe
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Dom is Here posted:Someone help with this pioneer thing and explain if its good for a returning player too poor to get into modern (me) No. All the cards that are cheaper today for the format will be expensive tomorrow. Retailers are the only ones who win.
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Tibalt posted:I would actually read the opposite - they can print Fetchs in Standard without worrying about it ruining their Fetchless eternal format, since everyone will assume they're going to be banned. Fetches + shocks in standard would be absolutely crazy and the only reason I thought they might do it is because things have gotten absolutely silly in regards to pricing on the secondary market. Scalding Tarn @ $100 makes it impossible for anyone even semi-budget conscious to get into Modern. I guess Pioneer sort of fixes that but I have no idea if people will go for it.
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Dom is Here posted:Someone help with this pioneer thing and explain if its good for a returning player too poor to get into modern (me) It's good if it catches on, it's bad if it doesn't. But you basically need to decide right now if you want to buy into it because MTGfinance dorks are going to decide what the staples are before the end of the day and start buying them up.
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Should have scooped up my sets of BFZ lands this weekend while I had the chance. At least I already have all of the shocklands and (almost) all of the checklands.
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Dom is Here posted:Someone help with this pioneer thing and explain if its good for a returning player too poor to get into modern (me)
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Sounds like Im going to have to tread into the mtgfinance reddit. A vile task
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Dom is Here posted:Sounds like Im going to have to tread into the mtgfinance reddit. A vile task I wouldn't, trying to beat the speculators to a deck you might want to play in a format that might take off when money is a concern sounds like the absolute worst decision you could make.
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axeil posted:Fetches + shocks in standard would be absolutely crazy and the only reason I thought they might do it is because things have gotten absolutely silly in regards to pricing on the secondary market. Scalding Tarn @ $100 makes it impossible for anyone even semi-budget conscious to get into Modern. I guess Pioneer sort of fixes that but I have no idea if people will go for it.
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Possibly this'll lead to people preemptively dumping their fetches and they'll be a cheaper pickup for a day or two.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I wouldn't, trying to beat the speculators to a deck you might want to play in a format that might take off when money is a concern sounds like the absolute worst decision you could make. yeah if money is a concern wait at least a month before buying into anything. make sure your local community is actually going to play the new format; if spending money on a modern deck is out of the question, spending half that amount on a deck that you might not be able to use is also a bad idea mtgfinance types are usually high off their own farts, doubly so if they're on a public message board. if they knew something the rest of the market didn't, they wouldn't be sharing it.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I wouldn't, trying to beat the speculators to a deck you might want to play in a format that might take off when money is a concern sounds like the absolute worst decision you could make. Yeah you're probably right  Hopefully it takes off as a cheaper option. Either way it will be interesting to watch. Thanks for the responses
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C-Euro posted:Should have scooped up my sets of BFZ lands this weekend while I had the chance. At least I already have all of the shocklands and (almost) all of the checklands. I literally just sold my entire collection of jank rares off since I started playing (Innistrad on) for 4 cents a card. I got 100 bucks but now I'm missing all that sweet jank to build from.
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Guess I should've invested in checklands. Does this mean energy decks are going to be insanely oppressive again? Time to break out the original BW/GW tokens list from RTR!
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the format's just going to be Standard All-Star Decks, except with key cards from the last time standard was actually good being literally the only things on the banlist. just an excellent job all around. also, pioneer and historic launching at the same time. lmao at all of this, just lmao.
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ShaneB posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21?c isn't this eventually going to run into the same problems as modern? is the idea to create a new classic format every decade+? what was the main issue with extended? expensive cards that didn't retain that value? Cactrot posted:also, that's the most surprising bit. that it goes back all the way to rtr, rather than a set range that could've feasibly been backported to arena. maybe some day?
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I guess it ensures historic will be an arena only format. I'm excited to jank my way into a deck for pioneer, but can't see it taking off here where most people are losing their interest in standard and getting into modern/have already bought into modern.
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Rinkles posted:isn't this eventually going to run into the same problems as modern? is the idea to create a new classic format every decade+? This isn't exactly that dramatic of an idea, IMO.
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Cactrot posted:How long till treasure cruise is banned? Feels odd to not ban stuff that is already banned in Modern tbh Also lol at no Modern Horizons
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Rinkles posted:what was the main issue with extended? Nobody liked it / only played it when forced to.
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You're probably never getting better mana than Shocks and Checks in this format, and if you look at Modern decks from SCG last week, there are a LOT of $150 decks with $600 manabases. There are certainly some exceptions to that rule (Jund is a $1200 deck with a $600 manabase), but a playset of Blood Crypt is never going to cost $200.
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Rinkles posted:isn't this eventually going to run into the same problems as modern? is the idea to create a new classic format every decade+? extended has a narrow card pool that leads to your choices being "deck from last standard that everyone hated" and "deck from current standard that you hate, but with a few upgrades"
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Delve cards are much worse without fetches and multiple 1-drop cantrips to enable them.
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