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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Rand Brittain posted:

Meanwhile, it turns out that Sinfest as we see it online is the expurgated version and that on some form of evil Twitter Ishida is even more explicitly TERF.

That site does bring up the interesting conundrum of worst comic between Least I Could Do and Sinfest, and while I think Sinfest does have the lead they do neglect to mention LICD's brutal misogyny, being extremely hateful of an entire gender and honestly probably the people who read it.

Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Oct 20, 2019

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Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow
Least I Can Do at least gave us a great panel of its main character telling a fat Jeph Jacques standin that “webcomics suck”.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
The main character is a self-insert who's also a rapist and pedophile :chloe:

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
#1 Builder
2014-2018

Yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if you have more hatred for Jeph Jacques than Ryan Sohmer you may need to re-check your priorities.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Dawgstar posted:

That site does bring up the interesting conundrum of worst comic between Least I Could Do and Sinfest, and while I think Sinfest does have the lead they do neglect to mention LICD's brutal misogyny, being extremely hateful of an entire gender and honestly probably the people who read it.

I could care less about Sinfest but mentioning LICD makes me actively angry so I know what side I'm coming down on.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Dawgstar posted:

That site does bring up the interesting conundrum of worst comic between Least I Could Do and Sinfest, and while I think Sinfest does have the lead they do neglect to mention LICD's brutal misogyny, being extremely hateful of an entire gender and honestly probably the people who read it.

neither of these are anywhere even close to the worst comic, I'm pretty sure Jack still holds the title after all these years

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug
U.S. Angel Corps?

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Patrick Spens posted:

U.S. Angel Corps?

:cry:

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

There's too many bad comics that show their awfulness on their sleeve but LICD and Sinfest are pretty much the modern champions of being, like, the webcomic equivalent of a recommended YouTube video that takes you to Nazis in two clicks because of their crypto-hatefulness hidden behind animated blobs JAQing off with the pitch shifted and sped up to remind you of Ben Shapiro and it doesn't immediately look like the hateful garbage it is because the artist has restraint to not draw the mouthpieces in a suit and fedora with a :smug: face.

...okay Sinfest has that restraint, :smug: is just LICD in a single emote.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Last I checked, Least I Could Do has at least tried to grow up and mature past a lot of its older biases (not successfully, but at least it made the effort). Ir's kinda interesting comparing the two, since they both started out in pretty similar places, but while Sinfest after a point started treating women with respect before going crazy, LICD just downplayed the old stuff and restructured everything so that all the characters have the same reverence for the main character instead of just the ones who wanted his dick.

Murder/gore fetish porn is so immediately terrible that it's not worth remembering that it exists. At least the concept of a dude wanting to just have tons of sex without much regard to the people its with is understandable.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



Didn't the Least I Could Do creator also produce a less good Guilded Age - maybe called Looking for Group? Which, I mean, I read Guilded Age but I wouldn't say it was amazing, and Looking for Group seemed both like a bad parody and painfully self-serious.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

neither of these are anywhere even close to the worst comic, I'm pretty sure Jack still holds the title after all these years

yeah, whatever misogyny exists in licd and sinfest is still dwarfed by the literal furry rape fetishist

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Joe Slowboat posted:

Didn't the Least I Could Do creator also produce a less good Guilded Age - maybe called Looking for Group? Which, I mean, I read Guilded Age but I wouldn't say it was amazing, and Looking for Group seemed both like a bad parody and painfully self-serious.
Looking For Group was just a shitload of cheap pop culture jokes that were more or less covered in World of Warcraft wallpaper bought in bulk but just full of WHOOPDEEDOO SUBVERTED GENRE TROPES!

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

the altlite-analogous product is almost certain to be some beloved-by-millions Reddit rageface comic thing I have, blessedly, never seen with my own two eyes

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Joe Slowboat posted:

Didn't the Least I Could Do creator also produce a less good Guilded Age - maybe called Looking for Group? Which, I mean, I read Guilded Age but I wouldn't say it was amazing, and Looking for Group seemed both like a bad parody and painfully self-serious.

He did Looking for Group and also Gutters, which was a kind of meta comic comic where he'd have guest artists from across the comic industry help make pages. LFG was meant to be set in a WoW-like setting but wasn't explicit about being in an MMO. Its only distinctive feature was making one of the characters Black Mage But Worse, which naturally was its most marketable feature. Sohmer also runs a real comic shop irl.

Sohmer himself IDs as left-leaning, I believe, but LICD is all about inflating his own ego in the most shameless way, so even when he's going on about feminism or gay rights it's all self-aggrandizing noise.

Really the funniest bit about LICD is when he tried to sell it as an adult cartoon to a Canadian tv network, but they wanted to make some of the cast not-white and he refused, so instead they just made a LICD knockoff cartoon. He was so incensed he kickstarted a pilot for his own show to shop around at networks. It doesn't seem like anyone was interested but now all of you have to experience the joy of this intro and a short clip of the cartoon itself because I had to remember it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3eZY2_Di1c

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

His animation studio type thing also made the CAD show and if memory serves that sunk his animation studio type thing.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

you gotta admit the idea of a studio that saves on budget by only ever giving characters one facial expression is pretty brilliant

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

you gotta admit the idea of a studio that saves on budget by only ever giving characters one facial expression is pretty brilliant

Isn't that just Dreamworks?

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

you gotta admit the idea of a studio that saves on budget by only ever giving characters one facial expression is pretty brilliant
I do that in real life!

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

Nuns with Guns posted:

He did Looking for Group and also Gutters, which was a kind of meta comic comic where he'd have guest artists from across the comic industry help make pages. LFG was meant to be set in a WoW-like setting but wasn't explicit about being in an MMO. Its only distinctive feature was making one of the characters Black Mage But Worse, which naturally was its most marketable feature. Sohmer also runs a real comic shop irl.

Sohmer himself IDs as left-leaning, I believe, but LICD is all about inflating his own ego in the most shameless way, so even when he's going on about feminism or gay rights it's all self-aggrandizing noise.

Really the funniest bit about LICD is when he tried to sell it as an adult cartoon to a Canadian tv network, but they wanted to make some of the cast not-white and he refused, so instead they just made a LICD knockoff cartoon. He was so incensed he kickstarted a pilot for his own show to shop around at networks. It doesn't seem like anyone was interested but now all of you have to experience the joy of this intro and a short clip of the cartoon itself because I had to remember it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3eZY2_Di1c

What was the name of the knockoff show? I kind of want to see if it's better than the official pilot.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

The Lone Badger posted:

Isn't that just Dreamworks?

That's Dreamworks marketing. Their actual animation department knows how to do some really amazing stuff.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
They could always do that synchro-vox thing. Why animate lips when you can just film them and superimpose them onto the character!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncro-Vox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHg1-mpcUY

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Nuns with Guns posted:

Really the funniest bit about LICD is when he tried to sell it as an adult cartoon to a Canadian tv network, but they wanted to make some of the cast not-white and he refused, so instead they just made a LICD knockoff cartoon. He was so incensed he kickstarted a pilot for his own show to shop around at networks. It doesn't seem like anyone was interested but now all of you have to experience the joy of this intro and a short clip of the cartoon itself because I had to remember it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3eZY2_Di1c

Wow, the opening song has actual lyrics about 'how great it would be if nobody were ever offended' and 'how great it would be if you could say whatever was on your mind.'

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



Nuns with Guns posted:

It doesn't seem like anyone was interested but now all of you have to experience the joy of this intro and a short clip of the cartoon itself because I had to remember it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3eZY2_Di1c

So this would basically have been Archer, but without the spy drama, or the competent writing, or the aesthetic, or indeed literally anything one might watch Archer for? Thrilling.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

readingatwork posted:

What was the name of the knockoff show? I kind of want to see if it's better than the official pilot.

The Dating Guy, I believe. I can't find a trailer but there's some complied playlists of clips on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo1Q9tE_Euw

Dawgstar posted:

Wow, the opening song has actual lyrics about 'how great it would be if nobody were ever offended' and 'how great it would be if you could say whatever was on your mind.'

I can't imagine why any network would pass on this topical cartoon

Joe Slowboat posted:

So this would basically have been Archer, but without the spy drama, or the competent writing, or the aesthetic, or indeed literally anything one might watch Archer for? Thrilling.

Archer is a pretty delicate balance of a main character who is complete garbage, who undermines the lives and livelihoods of each person he meets, and who's only redeeming qualities are small flashes of decency and the periodic reminders that he's a product of a very lovely childhood. But we can get smooth over all of that and keep the quippy-eye-rolling, right?

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

Nuns with Guns posted:

The Dating Guy, I believe. I can't find a trailer but there's some complied playlists of clips on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo1Q9tE_Euw

Yup, that sure is a knockoff of an already lovely product.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011
The metaphor in mare internum is going completely off the rails.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011
If you think about it, feeling depressed and alone is a lot like barging into a stranger's house and loving with their poo poo.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Nuns with Guns posted:

Archer is a pretty delicate balance of a main character who is complete garbage, who undermines the lives and livelihoods of each person he meets, and who's only redeeming qualities are small flashes of decency and the periodic reminders that he's a product of a very lovely childhood. But we can get smooth over all of that and keep the quippy-eye-rolling, right?
Incidentally, trade out some of the comedy for thematic depth and you basically have what makes Bojack Horseman good.

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Oct 21, 2019

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow
DEMON was good.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Meanwhile, in Dumbing of Age, Jacob has found a way to go way down in my estimation very quickly.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Nuns with Guns posted:

The Dating Guy, I believe. I can't find a trailer but there's some complied playlists of clips on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo1Q9tE_Euw


I can't imagine why any network would pass on this topical cartoon


Archer is a pretty delicate balance of a main character who is complete garbage, who undermines the lives and livelihoods of each person he meets, and who's only redeeming qualities are small flashes of decency and the periodic reminders that he's a product of a very lovely childhood. But we can get smooth over all of that and keep the quippy-eye-rolling, right?

Also the first episode of Archer establishes in a real loving hurry that despite being a selfish hideous manchild Archer is also scarily competent and insanely dangerous at his job so that’s why people sort of tolerate him (and because mom is the boss)
Meanwhile why would anyone want Ryan Sohmers around

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
"Everybody wants Rayne around even though he is a man-child who indulges his every impulse" is basically the wish-fulfillment premise of the series.

Unfortunately, it turns out that most people get tired of this very quickly, because they already know straight white men who indulge their every impulse and they're loving sick of them.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

What's funny is, it's hard to really tell that there's that much of an influence, since it's already a ludicrously common premise that has been done better elsewhere, or even done for a side character rather than the main, since somebody living a blessed life is not good fodder for storytelling. LICD is basically if How I Met Your Mother was about Barney.

Rand Brittain posted:

Meanwhile, in Dumbing of Age, Jacob has found a way to go way down in my estimation very quickly.

Here I was looking forward to Joyce's family awkwardly grappling towards "not racist, but..." although that's probably just a bit outside Willis's personal experience and comfort zone.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
I feel like Barney has a lot more vulnerability, and a lot more people in the writer's room willing to admit that Barney is a messed-up guy, than Rayne does.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
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I would read LICD if Rayne got slapped out of nowhere every thanksgiving.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011

SlothfulCobra posted:

Here I was looking forward to Joyce's family awkwardly grappling towards "not racist, but..." although that's probably just a bit outside Willis's personal experience and comfort zone.

There's a character in the comic that is literally supposed to be a young David Willis in blackface. They even share a first name.

Galvanik
Feb 28, 2013

SlothfulCobra posted:

Here I was looking forward to Joyce's family awkwardly grappling towards "not racist, but..." although that's probably just a bit outside Willis's personal experience and comfort zone.
She eventually ends up with Walky so you only have 10 more years of waiting at the current pace.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
So, I can't quite tell if that's a skinned person or a skinned troll in today's Stand Still Stay Silent. I was gonna say troll, until I saw the very human looking head on the left.

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Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

habeasdorkus posted:

So, I can't quite tell if that's a skinned person or a skinned troll in today's Stand Still Stay Silent. I was gonna say troll, until I saw the very human looking head on the left.

It's probably a mutated animal. Looks like Onni is doing the same sky burial for it that Lalli did for the poor zom-doggie.

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