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swimsuit
Jan 22, 2009

yeah
lol

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big business man
Sep 30, 2012


drat lol

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

comedyblissoption posted:

new thread title

teehee

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

TP had c-spam dead to rights

https://twitter.com/turing_police/status/998103429884006400?s=21

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Lmao and saw this when searching for that

https://twitter.com/turing_police/status/1010271066613166080?s=21

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
go off

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
what am i if I'm not a trot or a stalinist or whatever and my politics boils down to 'seize the means' and just some vague schizophrenic muttering

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


like people always say: don't be none, won't start none

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/wspieler/status/1186106356165726209

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Lmfao holy poo poo

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Unfortunately as funny as that line is it's just another flavor of 'the empire is bad now that a rethuglican is running it'. As soon as we get another slay kween in there itll flip to articles about how making grist out of Hispanics is patriotism

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
america will turn the corner, any day now

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

BernieTheBolshevik
Oct 21, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Are we allowed to post a thread for Pleromic Revelations in C-SPAM now that a bunch of people on here are achieving gnosis and we know that the world is run by demons and capitalism is really just a front for inflicting suffering to prevent the pleroma being channelled forth through happy, fulfilled humans?

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


post it and find out

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Homeless Friend posted:

trotsky had a train

this

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/_RedMay_/status/1186251674224082944

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

on the last chapo zizek basically layed out that supporting bernie is the most traditionalist, family oriented thing you could do. dude was kinda all over the place but I understood what he mean't about how socialists probably finding more success in appealing to peoples desire for stability and peace. Capitalism is the subversion essentially.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Venom Snake posted:

on the last chapo zizek basically layed out that supporting bernie is the most traditionalist, family oriented thing you could do. dude was kinda all over the place but I understood what he mean't about how socialists probably finding more success in appealing to peoples desire for stability and peace. Capitalism is the subversion essentially.

i wish there was a faster and easier way to explain that the bernard is not our savior and is merely the least bad choice

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Larry Parrish posted:

i wish there was a faster and easier way to explain that the bernard is not our savior and is merely the least bad choice

I fully understand that, what I was getting at is that leftism in America (or at least the modern kind) and the direction it's going in is mostly non-subversive. thus follows that american and greek anarchists will be different

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

given lenin's thoughts on the (lack of) utility of individual acts of terrorism, this comparison may actually be to the american anarchists' benefit

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Homeless Friend posted:

trotsky had a train

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Greek anarchists can do these things because they have an actual power base to operate from. they control whole blocks of Greek cities.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


yeah that is a dumb comparison, other than to say the left in greece is significantly more powerful and popular and the state much weaker

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
god willing we'll do the same in the coming years

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
How does the KKE feel about the anarchists

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

GalacticAcid posted:

How does the KKE feel about the anarchists

very strongly

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
then by god so do i

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
Ferguson, Standing Rock, Puerto Rico, etc etc

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


lmao

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Greek anarchists can do these things because they have an actual power base to operate from. they control whole blocks of Greek cities.
so did golden dawn as well, which changed the dynamics a bit.



if there was a neo-nazi office openly sitting in the middle of an urban area in the U.S. i don't think it would last very long

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

GalacticAcid posted:

How does the KKE feel about the anarchists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mggaYIMm8gw

the KKE is weird. strong in labor unions but it's very much a kind of family party. people don't really join the KKE but are born into it. red diaper babies raised in communist families.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mggaYIMm8gw

the KKE is weird. strong in labor unions but it's very much a kind of family party. people don't really join the KKE but are born into it. red diaper babies raised in communist families.

There's only one man with the iron will necessary to lead the kke to revolution

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


:unsmigghh:

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

so did golden dawn as well, which changed the dynamics a bit.



if there was a neo-nazi office openly sitting in the middle of an urban area in the U.S. i don't think it would last very long

Because if there's one thing Americans are comfortable doing, it's property damage.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Venom Snake posted:

on the last chapo zizek basically layed out that supporting bernie is the most traditionalist, family oriented thing you could do. dude was kinda all over the place but I understood what he mean't about how socialists probably finding more success in appealing to peoples desire for stability and peace. Capitalism is the subversion essentially.
well i think zizek sees how the trump vs. neoliberal antagonism is a false one. behind the populist antagonism of trump there's still this really bog-standard neoliberal regime so trump is kind of a waxwork. like his whole theory of how the status quo today functions is that neoliberal post-politics uses this extra-institutional populist / antagonistic (and political) element as a means for its own pseudo-legitimization, and he was talking about this 20 years ago regarding berlusconi in italy. but the antagonism that makes the element *political* is over irrelevant things like these cultural resentments

he is at core a pessimist though and i think he's more critical of bernie and this left-populist thing, but i think what he's saying is that bernie is appealing to these declassed urban service sector workers. they are socially liberal, but they want to start families too, right? you can't afford to as it is. and their class interest is going to be more in line with the rural and exurban equivalents, most of whom don't vote either. like trump's base is really with these better-off workers and PMCs (professional-managerial class) in their respective areas... blue-collar management and small biz as opposed to urban service-sector professionals who will favor hillary or warren

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
I miss homex

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
good news then

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
all of which is to say that zizek correctly identifies your personal means and the means you grew up with as being a much more useful class identifier than where you live or your race or whatever. of course poor urban workers who can barely afford rent have a lot in common with poor rural workers who can barely afford rent. They have a lot less in common with like, the district manager that is marginally comfortable but still is technically working class

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fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


like his hero stalin, zizek is correct

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