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Grouchio posted:Now why did the NDP perform poorly as progressives? canada is full of dumb white people
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Canada elects first BLACK prime minister
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Oct 22, 2019 06:39
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Risky Bisquick posted:Canada elects first BLACK prime minister https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyAMOsyyvfw&t=4s
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Oct 22, 2019 06:40
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Pharmacare would rule. I don't want to live in a country where people have to worry about medication. I'd love vision care as well but being able to see well is secondary.
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Oct 22, 2019 06:40
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Having our handsome empty suit not having a majority and his best chance being NDP/Green support outside Quebec is in some ways the best outcome could realistically exist.
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Nine of Eight posted:This is dumb as hell, but Lowtax’s spine isn’t gonna fix itself: Since I won, an account + plat + archives comes down to 35$ USD or about 40$ CAD. I also have an avatar, but gently caress you, I won. (Charity receipt was here) Nine of Eight fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 06:44
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that the Bloq Quebecois will end up with more seats than the NDP.
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Grouchio posted:Now why did the NDP perform poorly as progressives? The libs resemble Bidenites to me. What the hell is a Bidenite? Joe Biden is not a recognizable political system.
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Grouchio posted:Now why did the NDP perform poorly as progressives? The libs resemble Bidenites to me. Do your own loving homework dumbshit.
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Oct 22, 2019 06:45
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let's give it up for strategic voting
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they won because obviiously the Bloq has better progressive policies. that's why the Bloq does better over all for labour across canada.
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well more than anything I think the biggest takeaway from tonight is: this is really good news for Vancouver's skytrain. Trudeaus gonna want Van-Gran back. How does he get that in a minority parliament? With lots and lots of pork, approximately 3.3-3.8 billion dollars worth of pork in this case
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Oct 22, 2019 06:50
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edit: nevermind
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EvilJoven posted:Pharmacare would rule. I don't want to live in a country where people have to worry about medication. I'd love vision care as well but being able to see well is secondary. I'm literally hoping I have the money to cover my mom's blood pressure meds in a few days, but I'm not certain that I do, even having saved 1/10th of my income for the last month for this purpose. Yeah, pharmacare would be nice. Denta(l?)care would be...pretty great, too. edit: haha, my bad at misreading your post. See, my glasses literally broke for no reason one day a couple of weeks ago, so I need to try to find some money to get a new pair next month, too. Really, I'm not making this up. Aoi fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 06:52
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Juul-Whip posted:well more than anything I think the biggest takeaway from tonight is: this is really good news for Vancouver's skytrain. Trudeaus gonna want Van-Gran and Van-Quad back. How does he get that in a minority parliament? With lots and lots of pork, approximately 3.3-3.8 billion dollars worth of pork in this case and
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Oct 22, 2019 06:59
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EvilJoven posted:The Libs aren't going to implement PR because the ever present threat of a CPC government is useful to them. Oh I know, I was just responding to the 'fptp saved us from a conservative government!!!' people
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My poor Ralphie. Sorry, dude, I did my part.
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Juul-Whip posted:well more than anything I think the biggest takeaway from tonight is: this is really good news for Vancouver's skytrain. Trudeaus gonna want Van-Gran back. How does he get that in a minority parliament? With lots and lots of pork, approximately 3.3-3.8 billion dollars worth of pork in this case speaking as an American pork is unironically vastly superior to the alternative do not abolish random-rear end earmark nonsense spending you will regret it, mark my words
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no it's great. I love trains
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i can still taste him posted:My poor Ralphie. Sorry, dude, I did my part. Yeah ☹️ . Won’t stop the Sask Party from blaming the LPC for everything though
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eXXon posted:I think Trudeau learned a lesson tonight. I mean, you jest, but it kinda bodes ill for the country that the Prairies have effectively turned into one-issue voters, and that issue is being pro burning the planet down.
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lmao Canada if Trudeau doesn't go full force on implementing PR now then I swear to God he's the biggest loving moron in the world
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Nine of Eight posted:Since I won, an account + plat + archives comes down to 35$ USD or about 40$ CAD. I also have an avatar, but gently caress you, I won. Congrats. I strongly suggest you edit out your postal code though, unless you're real comfortable being IRL identifiable here. Grouchio posted:Now why did the NDP perform poorly as progressives? The libs resemble Bidenites to me. Because Canadians in general are not that progressive, and because under FPTP the Liberals are able to effectively use the threat of a Conservative government to drive people to vote Liberal in otherwise progressive ridings. Also their vote distribution sucks. e: And Quebec evidently will not vote for a party led by a man named Singh, although presumably the turban was not an issue infernal machines fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 11:34
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Venomous posted:lmao Canada
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Venomous posted:lmao Canada This result is exactly why they didn't implement PR. They were also never going to implement PR. They wanted IRV and they passed around a garbage nonbinding survey to try and show support for it, and when that failed they gave up.
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My wife's medication is 22k a year, which I'm lucky to have covered at 100%. If we didn't have the benefits we do, that could easily be crippling. Even having a 20% copay would be difficult. I wonder what has to happen in your brain to look at that scenario and be content with it? "Hrm yes.. if my wife had a poo poo job or were poor, she would be damned to becoming a twisted cripple invalid in the next ten years. Then again if she were a poor that means she didn't choose me (super successful ALPHA MALE) and is a dirty slut who deserves her comeuppance"
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EvilJoven posted:Pharmacare would rule. I don't want to live in a country where people have to worry about medication. I'd love vision care as well but being able to see well is secondary. I mean, as someone who'd probably useless without glasses I'm not entirely sure I agree, but on the other hand you can probably get by on an old glasses prescription more then people can go without meds.
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Wow there are some nasty people out there. If they even come out with a bit of universal pharmacy, dental, drug care programs it is FTW
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Mr. Apollo posted:Why would he? This election showed him that keeping FPTP was the right move. Under PR the Liberals would have had a smaller number of seats. infernal machines posted:This result is exactly why they didn't implement PR. lmao, both of these are fair points and holy poo poo liberalism is the absolute worst
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Morning after I'm pretty pleased with this result. A Lib minority that can pass bills with either the NDP or the BQ is about as good as we could have hoped for, and I'm hoping the Cons stay in full-on Trudeau Derangement Syndrome status (especially after winning the popular vote) and refuse to work with him so he can't pass right-wing stuff instead. Also a conservative guy I know in Kitchener-Conestoga is blaming their loss there on vote-splitting to the PPC because the Liberal is winning by like 250 votes while the PPC took in like 750 (the NDP and Greens each took like 5,000) which is just delicious.
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Oh, also I went to bed before the speeches, did Scheer jump or is he waiting to get pushed?
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It's really pretty gross how the Liberals were rewarded for breaking their promise to implement proportional representation. PR isn't some panacea, but it would have been a baby step that would have made further reforms that much easier to pass. Still a Liberal minority propped up by the NDP is probably the 2nd best result possible under fptp, with a NDP sweep and the Liberals losing official part status being ideal. An important question going forward is how to prevent the Ontario Liberals from resurrecting themselves. I don't think there are any additional Trudeaus interested in becoming party leaders.
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Libs are leading in my riding by 273 votes and elections Canada is wondering what is taking so long to finish counting.. lmao
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vyelkin posted:Oh, also I went to bed before the speeches, did Scheer jump or is he waiting to get pushed? He just reduced the Liberals to a minority. Surely he isn't jumping.
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Nocturtle posted:It's really pretty gross how the Liberals were rewarded for breaking their promise to implement proportional representation. PR isn't some panacea, but it would have been a baby step that would have made further reforms that much easier to pass. Still a Liberal minority propped up by the NDP is probably the 2nd best result possible under fptp, with a NDP sweep and the Liberals losing official part status being ideal. They've already resurrected themselves, as far back as May they're already polling in majority territory because Ford is so unpopular: https://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/ford-pc-support-collapses-while-liberal-voters-prefer-tory-as-their-leader/ And the Trudeau that could ride in on a white horse to save them is... John Tory lmao
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Venomous posted:He just reduced the Liberals to a minority. Surely he isn't jumping. He didn't win and the Cons really, really hate Trudeau, he's gone one way or another.
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I woke up frustrated with the amount of 'the West is left out! the West is alienated!' I heard on the news before bed. To agree with Andy Coyne, this was a winnable election for the conservatives. All they needed was credible lip service to address climate change in their platform. They didn't do it, and everywhere that doesn't rely on oil and gas rejected them for it. So gently caress that alienation/west left out bullshit. It isn't true and I'm going to push back every chance I get. You can't reject climate change and wonder why no one elected you, just like you can't sit alone in the corner at a party and complain that non one's talking to you.
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PR is just as bad for vote splitting as FPTP unless you implement something like STV
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I mean, you jest, but it kinda bodes ill for the country that the Prairies have effectively turned into one-issue voters, and that issue is being pro burning the planet down. It's disappointing, yes, but it cuts both ways - there's not enough support for burning everything to the ground in the rest of the country to get the Conservatives another government unless the other parties gently caress up badly. And hopefully the other parties noticed that muh pipelines isn't winning them a goddamn thing in the Prairies. Fart Amplifier posted:PR is just as bad for vote splitting as FPTP unless you implement something like STV ... uh, what? Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Fart Amplifier posted:PR is just as bad for vote splitting as FPTP unless you implement something like STV Just use the New Zealand system. If people try to complain it's too complicated ask them why they think Canadians are less intelligent than other members of the commonwealth. vyelkin posted:They've already resurrected themselves... Bah
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eXXon posted:
Proportional representation itself is not very good unless you use ranked voting or something because vote splitting still occurs
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