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No Safe Word posted:But nobody reads the results that way. Nobody says "sure it was 54% no, but our polling shows that 20% of that was people opposed to the formulation of this legislation as a constitutional amendment". And thus, it doesn't affect any change in the process. All it does is make something you would like to have happened through other channels not happen at all. Please tell me more about how people should shut up and vote for things they don't believe in because you just read about realpolitik for the first time.
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Keeshhound posted:Please tell me more about how people should shut up and vote for things they don't believe in because you just read about realpolitik for the first time. Please tell me more about how the legislature should do a bond initiative without a constitutional amendment.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:02
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i say swears online posted:someone running for city council is 81 years old and calls pflugerville "apartmentville" with derision dripping from every pore, I'm sure
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Oct 21, 2019 20:04
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Keeshhound posted:Please tell me more about how people should shut up and vote for things they don't believe in because you just read about realpolitik for the first time. But what do you not believe in? Like - I get it if you're ultra-conservative and oppose the issuance of government debt as a principle, but if you don't - what is it that you don't believe in w/r/t to the bond authorization election?
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Oct 21, 2019 20:05
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Sab0921 posted:But what do you not believe in? Like - I get it if you're ultra-conservative and oppose the issuance of government debt as a principle, but if you don't - what is it that you don't believe in w/r/t to the bond authorization election? I don't think I said anything to that effect? I specifically haven't said a drat thing about what *I* believe, or even what I'm going to vote. My position has been "if someone believes (for whatever reason) that a proposition should not be added to the Constitution, then they should vote "no" on that proposition. They shouldn't abstain, and they shouldn't contort themselves through whatever bullshit realpolitik reasoning so that someone else can congratulate them for voting "correctly."
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Oct 21, 2019 20:18
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Keeshhound posted:Please tell me more about how people should shut up and vote for things they don't believe in because you just read about realpolitik for the first time. I'm saying pick the fights that will result in things actually changing. Abstaining or voting against constitutional amendments because you think the current way things are done (via such amendments) will not get your point across that you think they're bad. It just results in those amendments not happening, which has other impacts. Like, I think the Electoral College is bad and stupid but I'm not going to not vote for President because of that.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:19
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Keeshhound posted:I don't think I said anything to that effect? I specifically haven't said a drat thing about what *I* believe, or even what I'm going to vote. You get that these are all constitutional amendments because the Texas constitution doesn't allow the legislature to pass them as laws, right? This is the only way to make these things happen in the state of Texas. Refusing to fund education or flood prevention infrastructure improvements because you think the Texas constitution is bad is certainly..a take..but how can you be surprised people are calling you out because it's a loving awful one.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:22
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M. Night Skymall posted:You get that these are all constitutional amendments because the Texas constitution doesn't allow the legislature to pass them as laws, right? This is the only way to make these things happen in the state of Texas. Refusing to fund education or flood prevention infrastructure improvements because you think the Texas constitution is bad is certainly..a take..but how can you be surprised people are calling you out because it's a loving awful one. Read the post you quoted again.
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Keeshhound posted:Read the post you quoted again. you're just applying some weird originalist reading of federal constitution to the Texas constitution, despite there being language in the Texas constitution on why this is a necessary process. This is a stupid hill to die on and you're inherently excluding the entire position of "agrees with proposed legislation and opposes constitutional amendments" from having any voice.
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Hawkline posted:you're just applying some weird originalist reading of federal constitution to the Texas constitution, despite there being language in the Texas constitution on why this is a necessary process. This is a stupid hill to die on and you're inherently excluding the entire position of "agrees with proposed legislation and opposes constitutional amendments" from having any voice. No, I'm really not. I don't know how this is so loving hard for you to grasp, but I'll type it out for you again: If you believe that a proposition should not be on the Constitution, vote "no" on it. That's it. That is all I've been arguing for.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:37
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This is all dumb, so in other news Bonnen is hawking for Prop 4 https://twitter.com/RepDennisBonnen/status/1186346481202159620 Was already going to vote against it anyway because it's stupid
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Oct 21, 2019 20:39
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Voting no on every bond issue because they didn't use what you see as the correct avenue that they literally can't use is a pretty galaxy brained neoliberal move. Especially in terms of how it works out to only serve the interests of the chuds. Voting no isn't sending any kind of message against the process at all, because it is an expected action of the process.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:44
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Keeshhound posted:No, I'm really not. I don't know how this is so loving hard for you to grasp, but I'll type it out for you again: I think we do all understand it, it’s just that this is a very stupid thing to believe
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Oct 21, 2019 20:47
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They did use the correct avenue, the only difference that instead of these just being laws, there's an extra final step. They all went through the normal legislative process.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:47
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Badger of Basra posted:I think we do all understand it, it’s just that this is a very stupid thing to believe Ok, don't tell me, tell saintonan. Or do you actually mean that you think it's stupid to vote for what you believe is correct?
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Keeshhound posted:Ok, don't tell me, tell saintonan. Or do you actually mean that you think it's stupid to vote for what you believe is correct? Your belief about what is correct is the stupid thing Oh I got confused about why you are being so forceful about this dumb thing you apparently don’t even believe Saintonan this is stupid
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Oct 21, 2019 21:01
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Badger of Basra posted:Your belief about what is correct is the stupid thing What I believe is that trying to demand someone else modulate their voting behavior ("just abstain" or "vote this way because it's how things are done!") to be amenable to your preferences instead of actually convincing them as to the correctness of your position is authoritarian bullshit.
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Oct 21, 2019 21:10
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Keeshhound posted:What I believe is that trying to demand someone else modulate their voting behavior ("just abstain" or "vote this way because it's how things are done!") to be amenable to your preferences instead of actually convincing them as to the correctness of your position is authoritarian bullshit. None of this is about the underlying policy or what's being voted on, it's about the underlying structure of the government of the State of Texas. It's like refusing to vote for US Congress or Senate because you think we need parliamentary system - which is also a stupid position to have.
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Sab0921 posted:None of this is about the underlying policy or what's being voted on, it's about the underlying structure of the government of the State of Texas. It's like refusing to vote for US Congress or Senate because you think we need parliamentary system - which is also a stupid position to have. Is this supposed to be some kind of weird rear end way to accuse me of being a sock puppet, or do you genuinely not get that I don't have to agree with saintonan's position to believe that they have the right to vote based on it regardless?
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Oct 21, 2019 21:52
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this discussion is literally me at 17 being mad at Boys' State for not choosing me for my essay "i reject corrupt politics"
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https://twitter.com/James_Barragan/status/1186387301078896640 I don't know who Rep Stucky is but given that it's Denton and he appears to be an old white dude I'm guessing he's pretty securely Republican, and he's coming out against Bonnen for speaker
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He's Republican #15. I assume all the D's oppose him unless he needs them so bad he gives them everything.
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Sab0921 posted:Please vote for Prop 2 and 8. Prop 2 is $200MM of bond authorization for the TWDB - a vote is required before bonds are issued and authorized and, imo, the TWDB is the most important agency in the state right now and are charged with building the infrastructure necessary for the future of the state including flood resiliency and drinking water. I think I am voting for the majority of them.
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Oct 21, 2019 22:29
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Is there a reason to vote yes on prop 9? It's just a subsidy to the private company that runs the depository as far as I can tell. Also gold bugs are awful so annoying them is reason enough to vote no.
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ut755ln posted:I think I am voting for the majority of them. I'm definitely voting yes on proposition 5, and then will follow up with an argument that video games and video game accessories are actually "sporting goods" now.
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Oct 21, 2019 22:37
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god imagine if texas instituted a Steam tax to fund the state parks
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Oct 21, 2019 22:38
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Tax the loving loot crates you cowards. Bonnen and co (Patrick) are going after anyone who didnt support the end of "tax payer funded lobbying" which basically means rural counties no longer get a say in the state Capitol, in addition to everyone else. That's why there was such a weird coalition against it. It was even more unpopular but some Republicans had good Bills they needed to get thru the senate still. Stucky is one of the reps that cut up Denton iirc. He is a doctor but pro life so he falls weird on a bunch of issues. If those 15 keep their seats Bonnen might have some serious trouble come next Decemberish
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Stucky is an animal doctor, veterinarian. Well liked with the local Republicans.
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https://twitter.com/scottbraddock/status/1186472267640913920?s=19 A good tweet.
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I haven't followed local politics like I should have been lately - is there any downside to Bonnen getting hosed? I remember Strauss being a decent moderating influence as Republicans go. Hadn't gotten the impression that Bonnen was the same but I don't know who replaces him.
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whats the current speaker of the house speed run record?
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Spiritus Nox posted:I haven't followed local politics like I should have been lately - is there any downside to Bonnen getting hosed? I remember Strauss being a decent moderating influence as Republicans go. Hadn't gotten the impression that Bonnen was the same but I don't know who replaces him. He wasn't Straus moderate, but he really sold himself as the Speaker that would bring peace and harmony to TXLege after a divisive 85th, and as a moderate compared to Tea Party options. He was pretty well-liked during session, and the narrative was that he would get practical laws passed that were less ideology-focused. Folks were pretty optimistic about him, and for awhile Dems stated they really liked him too. The downsides probably depend on which side you support, but after the 85th a lot of folks were pretty drat frustrated with the climate there and were hopeful about Bonnen. This tape burned all of the goodwill he earned over session. If you're hoping for a blue wave to lead to a Dem speaker, this helps. If the Republicans retain power, they could easily elect a speaker worse than him....more Tea Party, more ideological...the fears a lot of folks had after Straus left.
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Bonnen has committed political seppuku and will not seek re election. https://twitter.com/scottbraddock/status/1186624159859859458?s=19
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Oct 22, 2019 13:50
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Empower Texans couped the speaker successfully. Incredible.
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I haven't been watching texas closely so I was surprised voting started today. I am on colincountytx trying to see what the issues to be voted on are and as expected the information available is garbage. Is there a better place to get informed?
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TropicalCoke posted:Empower Texans couped the speaker successfully. Incredible. And for what
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