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Broken Cog posted:So (ending spoilers) were you actually a dirty cop, or was that just one of Rubys paranoid delusions? None of the others seem to think you were. no, I think you were some kind of savant at being a cop with basically the Super Star thought maxed skills: Visual Calculus, Suggestion, Composure, Electro Chemistry my theory: basically you arrive, instantly recognize what happened, go and fail to reach the island, realize the 2mm problem, go mad and monster drunk to forget it Goa Tse-tung fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 12:52
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Broken Cog posted:So (ending spoilers) were you actually a dirty cop, or was that just one of Rubys paranoid delusions? None of the others seem to think you were.
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Oct 22, 2019 13:00
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Goa Tse-tung posted:no, I think you were some kind of savant at being a cop with basically the Super Star thought maxed skills: Visual Calculus, Suggestion, Composure, Electro Chemistry I think it's close to this: Harry was pretty close to wrapping the case up, but he'd been thinking about his girlfriend again. Like the consultant on your team said, drinking yourself into a stupor is a fairly logical reaction to being a cop in Revachol. The church just pushed him over the edge.
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God I passed so many insanely low roll in my playthrough. I passed 3 3% rolls, 1 8% rolls, and a super important one at 43% warning Kim during the shootout. I am almost not mad about walking into the tribunal without any preparation and still not having my gun despite having 8 H/E due to really wanting to make that shot to bring down the body on the first day.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:no, I think you were some kind of savant at being a cop with basically the Super Star thought maxed skills: Visual Calculus, Suggestion, Composure, Electro Chemistry Hogama posted:I think that being a dirty cop in THAT manner, i.e. a mob asset/enforcer, was just a rumour, but one that teases at the greater world of the setting. Yeah, I figured that was basically a red herring. It's kinda strange that it never comes up outside the dialogue with Ruby, but I guess it makes sense in a realistic sort of way since she seems to be the only one that believes it.
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You can ask your team about it at the end of the game: They say wouldn't work with you if that was the case plus you are so hosed that no mob boss would dare trust you.
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Broken Cog posted:Yeah, I figured that was basically a red herring. It's kinda strange that it never comes up outside the dialogue with Ruby, but I guess it makes sense in a realistic sort of way since she seems to be the only one that believes it. It can also come up when you're chatting with the racist lorryman.
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stuck at a certain part of the game and would appreciate a little help day 4: i'm trying to find ruby on the coast, and i've already found the bullet in the shack, leading me north. i've scoured everything in the area, went to the church and met tiago and sonna, did the cryptozoologist quest yesterday and met the guy and his kid looking at the sign. the only thing left to do is pass an impossible shivers check looking at the sign. i'm waiting until 22:00 to meet pigs about my gun, and i'm not sure what else to do to find ruby. i assume i need to find her both for the murder investigation and the drug investigation that will get the rich lady to tell me more about the murder
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Serf posted:stuck at a certain part of the game and would appreciate a little help If you so side quests around that area it gives bonuses to that skill check
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Serf posted:stuck at a certain part of the game and would appreciate a little help yes for the murder investigation. and unfortunately the only way forward is that shivers check. there are a bunch of sidequests that increases your chances (cryptozoology phasmid, calling random phone numbers until *that one*, dating the fisherwoman, completing everything in the church).
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Oct 22, 2019 13:42
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I finished it. The ending loving went places. Also I got maybe my favorite line of the game in the very end. 
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Broken Cog posted:
I got this on my first run and I was so invested in catching this daredevil hooligan hahahahah
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wow only now after someone pointed it out to me that kim has a literal halo around him  truly a saint for putting up with your bullshit
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frajaq posted:wow only now after someone pointed it out to me that kim has a literal halo around him Kim is great. He's just in the sweet-spot for a companion character, straight enough to find your antics draining, but goofy enough to go along for the ride. Especially considering how inexplicably good at this crime solving stuff the MC is. Also he gives really great highfives PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Anyone else enjoy getting mad at really dumb people online? Because I got a steaming hot take from the idpol-obsessed crowd that's perfect to tear apart relating to Disco Elysium: https://twitter.com/FreyjaErlings/status/1186634147948908549
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I mean, while I personally think poo poo like that is pointless to criticize a game for (devs should be able to make their vision without being beholden to every player's every want) they probably could've included a female avatar. I'm not even to the halfway point yet so I could be wrong but there doesn't seem to be anything that wouldn't work just as well as a female character. Knowing this game though, the devs would probably feel inclined to write another 100k lines of incidental dialogue as a result.
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I'm not really sure they could've. Admittedly, my "cis/hetero white man" is showing in this take, but so much of the main character and his interactions with people is wrapped up in the fact that he is a middle-aged white man. Playing as a woman would flip a ton of the game's interactions on their head to the degree that I just don't see how it'd be practical. I can't shake the feeling that it speaks poorly of me that I feel like the work as it stands is more important than sacrificing parts of it to be more inclusive, though.
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You aren't just playing any character in this though, you are playing a specific one. Sure, you can shape him in many different ways because of his amnesia, but his past remains the same.
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Harrow posted:I'm not really sure they could've. My take? This is clearly meant to be a hard-boiled detective character from pulp fictions of yore. Who the gently caress were the protagonists of those tales again? To criticize the game for not including a female protagonist is stupid, always has been. When it's a possibility, devs tend to do choice. But, in this case, there's a realistic excuse and explanation thematically for it being a male protagonist.
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I would take a more fleshed out and well-realized game than one that makes concessions to be inclusive any day of the week. That said in a perfect world there would be an equal number of games that speak to different experiences.
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they could easily make a sequel where you play as Klaasje, who is basically just Female Harry anyway
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Yeah I have no doubt the devs could manage to make a great game with a female protagonist, it's just not this game.
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Apoplexy posted:My take? This is clearly meant to be a hard-boiled detective character from pulp fictions of yore. Who the gently caress were the protagonists of those tales again? To criticize the game for not including a female protagonist is stupid, always has been. When it's a possibility, devs tend to do choice. But, in this case, there's a realistic excuse and explanation thematically for it being a male protagonist. For me, it isn't even so much that it's a hard-boiled noir detective story--it's that a lot of the themes around the protagonist interact with his masculinity. Him being a man isn't just because it's a feature of the genre, but something that's actually interacted with and interrogated in the story itself. You really couldn't just slot a woman into the same role and have the same story, and not just in the usual "a handful of lines change a bit" way.
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I'm poorly-equipped to recognize and understand issues with sexism, but "men wrote this game" seemed pretty self-evident, and I wondered how it would feel from a different perspective. I'm loving the game and it DOES feel "free choice" and "roleplaying heavy" but the entire plot is built around the protagonist being a male detective and being haunted by his memories of a woman.
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I don't agree with the overall take--that the game's writing direction clearly came from men--but I guess I'm just not in a position to see that as a necessarily bad thing, especially when the text seems very aware of and critical of that male perspective.
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so much of the story depends on your character having a specific past and background, i'm not sure how you could put another character in that place
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Lt. Kitsuragi is one of the best companion characters out there. He's obviously the straight-man foil to your detective, but he's really fleshed out in many subtle ways, too. Just details like being amused by the black humor of dealing with death (try using the "deady-dead-dead" style responses"), getting jazzed about getting difficult tasks done, his intolerance for racism (because he only views himself as a native local and PROUDLY doesn't care about the "homeland" of his ancestors), his annoyance when you want to waste time with a board game (but also don't ask him to help punch out the cardboard pieces), just his stubborn reluctance to show that he's still a little invested in "youthful interests" (like Revolutionary pilots or cryptids), the major factor in WHY he's so reluctant about that and/or dealing with kids (he spent 15 years undercover as a pinball wizard for Juvie detail), his love for machinery and pride in his vehicle, his own thoughts on your fashion sense, the Eyebrow... there's just so much to him. As far as non-male protagonists go, the team already floated that they have an idea of writing a five-month pregnant woman for a future story, didn't they?
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Apoplexy posted:Anyone else enjoy getting mad at really dumb people online? Because I got a steaming hot take from the idpol-obsessed crowd that's perfect to tear apart relating to Disco Elysium: is this the first time she's seeing an RPG with a pre-determined character lol DE wasnt the first and won't be the last
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The lead writer and designer (and let's face it 'visionary' probably isn't too much of a hyperbole) is male, but according to the credits there were five writers and two were women.
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They did have Lena as a party member earlier in development but getting her places in that wheelchair was tricky
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cock hero flux posted:they could easily make a sequel where you play as Klaasje, who is basically just Female Harry anyway IIRC, they are planing to do a sequel where you play as a woman 5 months into pregnancy. Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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2/5 of the writers in the credits are women
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PantsBandit posted:I mean, while I personally think poo poo like that is pointless to criticize a game for (devs should be able to make their vision without being beholden to every player's every want) they probably could've included a female avatar. Out of all games, picking on the one that literally puts you inside the character's head for not providing gender choice options is kinda ridiculous. The game is absolutely written with this specific middle-aged male character in mind and the way the world reacts to you and you to the world reflects that. Most other RPGs can (and should) offer extensive character customization and gender swap options because most other RPGs are basically wish-fulfilment power fantasies with blank-slate protagonists and therefore no reason not to offer those options, because, being wish-fulfilment fantasies, they don't delve into the more uncomfortable parts of life like discrimination, misogyny, racism, sexism or similar, and so flipping your avatar's gender or race is easy to do without any additional work beyond changing around some pronouns and adding some art assets. DE does delve into all those uncomfortable topics, and that's why if it were to offer a gender choice, it would absolutely need those additional 100k words or more to do that choice justice. Similarly how it would also need a lot of extra words to accommodate a character who's younger, older, gayer or of a different race, because all of that is taken into account in character interactions in this world.
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Does anyone know where to find the T-500 helmet? I got a clue twenty hours ago that Cuno kicked it into the river but I haven't heard anything about it since then. I've got the other three pieces already and I THINK I'm closing in on the end of the game. Just talked to Ruby, almost done with the church.
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Phenotype posted:Does anyone know where to find the T-500 helmet? I got a clue twenty hours ago that Cuno kicked it into the river but I haven't heard anything about it since then. I've got the other three pieces already and I THINK I'm closing in on the end of the game. Just talked to Ruby, almost done with the church. its at the very end
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I also find it somewhat irritating because gently caress you lady, nothing is stopping you from spending five years working on a game of your dreams for zero money while squatting in an abandoned building and you can make it about whatever the gently caress *you* want.
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Phenotype posted:Does anyone know where to find the T-500 helmet? I got a clue twenty hours ago that Cuno kicked it into the river but I haven't heard anything about it since then. I've got the other three pieces already and I THINK I'm closing in on the end of the game. Just talked to Ruby, almost done with the church. (lil bit spoilery) It shows up on its own near the end of the game, it's hard to miss.
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Phenotype posted:Does anyone know where to find the T-500 helmet? I got a clue twenty hours ago that Cuno kicked it into the river but I haven't heard anything about it since then. I've got the other three pieces already and I THINK I'm closing in on the end of the game. Just talked to Ruby, almost done with the church. you find it during the ending sequence, it's very obvious and you won't miss out
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Phenotype posted:Does anyone know where to find the T-500 helmet? I got a clue twenty hours ago that Cuno kicked it into the river but I haven't heard anything about it since then. I've got the other three pieces already and I THINK I'm closing in on the end of the game. Just talked to Ruby, almost done with the church.
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