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Doom Mathematic posted:It never made sense to me that anybody in-universe would even believe there was only one Batman. If there's only one of him, he would be the busiest man in the universe. Second, obviously the Batman who's on the Justice League can't be the same guy who's running around catching street-level bank robbers, how does that make any sense? How would a regular human be on the Justice League? Thirdly, even if there's only one Batman operating at a time, he must have been killed and replaced by a new guy a half-dozen times by this point. Ah the 3 Batmen Theory.
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Image four batmen on the edge of a gargoyle...
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Oct 22, 2019 14:40
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Crime works the same way.
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Oct 22, 2019 17:14
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How the hell do people keep track of characters when each one has splintered off into like 50 different variations? 
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Oct 22, 2019 18:26
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Dick Trauma posted:How the hell do people keep track of characters when each one has splintered off into like 50 different variations? 
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Oct 22, 2019 18:29
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WaywardWoodwose posted:I don't like this idea (Superman does have a lot of poo poo to do without handling other peoples problems) but I loved the comic where Green Arrow was at sea with his injured son for some reason or another, and he just whispers "Clark, help." and Connor is just whisked away like he disappeared. The TV show Arrow had a scene where he calls someone over the phone and the person on the line asks for proof he’s actually talking to the Green Arrow so Oliver texts Barry who proceeds to speed into the dude’s office and leaves a post-it note as proof. It’s incredibly dumb and a waste of time but I love when you get these pointless crossovers showing off super powered friends as long as you don’t ask yourself “why the hell don’t they do this all the time?”
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Oct 22, 2019 18:33
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:The TV show Arrow had a scene where he calls someone over the phone and the person on the line asks for proof he’s actually talking to the Green Arrow so Oliver texts Barry who proceeds to speed into the dude’s office and leaves a post-it note as proof. I think it was Bill Willingham who wrote an essay about the Caped Man In Blue rescuing his Red-Headed Reporter Friend over and over, while ignoring all the other problems in the world. "Help!", yells the Red-Headed Reporter Friend, and the Caped Man in Blue ignores people dying in floods and fires and cave-ins.
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Oct 22, 2019 21:10
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Parahexavoctal posted:I think it was Bill Willingham who wrote an essay about the Caped Man In Blue rescuing his Red-Headed Reporter Friend over and over, while ignoring all the other problems in the world. Wow what a hot original take 
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Oct 22, 2019 21:49
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This just reminds me how great the Samaritan issues of Astro City are. They address this kind of stuff and it's great.
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Oct 22, 2019 21:55
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prefect posted:This just reminds me how great the Samaritan issues of Astro City are. They address this kind of stuff and it's great. In a just world, Kurt Busiek is a bigger deal
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Oct 23, 2019 01:58
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TwoPair posted:Wow what a hot original take Barely a 32% on the Woman of Kleenex scale when it comes to jaded essays about Superman Also agree about Samaritan specifically and Busiek generally
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Oct 23, 2019 07:41
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Astro City is superb. It's never not been superb and the fact that Busiek isn't mentioned in the same breath as Moore or Ellis or Morrison, etc, for his work on it is a deep injustice. I reckon it's because his big think-y series is generally hopeful and optimistic rather than being cynical and hard-edged.
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Oct 23, 2019 08:46
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Do you think there's a Bigger Bat entry in the in-universe Batman wiki
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Oct 23, 2019 08:48
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AnonSpore posted:Do you think there's a Bigger Bat entry in the in-universe Batman wiki The thought of trying to keep track of DC's continuity down to minute details gives me a headache.
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Oct 23, 2019 11:48
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El Gallinero Gros posted:In a just world, Kurt Busiek is a bigger deal Wasn't the problem that Busiek had to drop out of the world for a while because he ended up with mercury poisoning?
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Oct 23, 2019 13:58
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Skwirl posted:MCU generally refers to the movies, so there's 0 Wolverines at the moment, but that will likely change now that Disney has the X-Men film rights again. In the comics there was never more than one mutant going by Wolverine hanging around at the same time. When Original Wolverine died Laura went by the name, but she dropped it before he came back. Old Man Logan was around for a while at the same time Laura was Wolverine, but he explicitly never used the name. The actual wolverine's name is Jonathan. Oh you aren't getting out of that one so easily. What about Albert (robot that thinks its Wolverine. ) or the Wolverine who was created by space nanites and went off into space at the end of Wolverine: The Best There Is at What He does maxi series? I'm sure there are a bunch of other Wolverines hidden in the corners of the Marvel Universe.
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Oct 23, 2019 14:29
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Wanderer posted:Wasn't the problem that Busiek had to drop out of the world for a while because he ended up with mercury poisoning? It definitely didn't help, but Busiek has a lot of quality work in a lot of different contexts, and if guys like Frank Miller (who hasn't done anything decent in years) can coast on rep, so should Busiek be able to
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Oct 23, 2019 14:43
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prefect posted:This just reminds me how great the Samaritan issues of Astro City are. They address this kind of stuff and it's great. I think its in the dark age, maybe, but Astro City also brings up the whole idea of: "Hitting a bad guy in the head hard enough hes unconcious but still breathing and then leaving him in an alley with no medical attention is just slightly delayed murder". The thing that edgier antiheroes and batman types just kinda ignore.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:03
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prefect posted:This just reminds me how great the Samaritan issues of Astro City are. They address this kind of stuff and it's great. The second Sentry mini-series did a great job with this as well. It showed Bob being driven to madness because he thought he had to address every problem everywhere, but couldn’t be in two or three places at once. He worked himself to the point of exhaustion trying to solve every crisis and assist in every disaster around the world. While the whole mini wasn’t that great, it was a really good insight into what it would be like to have god-like powers and an unending conscience.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:06
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El Gallinero Gros posted:It definitely didn't help, but Busiek has a lot of quality work in a lot of different contexts, and if guys like Frank Miller (who hasn't done anything decent in years) can coast on rep, so should Busiek be able to In my mind, Busiek is one of the GOATs because of the way Batman gets clowned in JLA/Avengers twice!!! Not by Bats admitting to Cap that Cap might be able to beat him, but it would take longer than they have to fight. Instead, it's indirect both times, strongly implying Batman is only good for beating up street thugs, themed villains, and overconfident world-conquerors, not real, "grounded" threats. Near the end when everyone's fighting through everyone's villains, first Cap is confronted by Prometheus, Batman's Taskmaster-themed villain who almost defeated the whole JLA by himself. Cap lays him out because, and I practically quote directly, "punching out Nazis reaches a man how to ignore cheap gimmicks during combat". Then, when Batman has a clear run up to Krona's control room or whatever, a mysterious figure steps out to block him, who we then see revealed and introducing himself in half a vertical page as "Batroc...Zee Leapair!" Busiek gives us the treat of taking Batman off the board for the rest of the fight IIRC, implying that a master criminal whose superpower is...*checks notes* skilled at French kickboxing... is enough to stalemate "the single most dangerous man in the Justice League". Also, not a spoiler because it's on the cover, Superman fights through part of the last battle wielding both Mjolnir and Cap's shield, which wasn't so common a thing for someone to do 20 years ago.
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Oct 23, 2019 16:22
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One More Fat Nerd posted:I think its in the dark age, maybe, but Astro City also brings up the whole idea of: "Hitting a bad guy in the head hard enough hes unconcious but still breathing and then leaving him in an alley with no medical attention is just slightly delayed murder". The thing that edgier antiheroes and batman types just kinda ignore. I really like the two Steeljack arcs where the focus is on the grinding difficulty of being a superpowered ex-con. I've seen other comics pay lip service to that idea, but Astro City really spends some time living in it. Busiek good.
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The Question IRL posted:Oh you aren't getting out of that one so easily. Is "The MAXX" a failed Wolverine clone?
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...I mean, yeah, Batroc has a silly accent and his win-loss record's not great, but considering who he's usually fighting, he's a legitimate badass. It actually makes sense that he'd be able to keep somebody like Batman tied up for a while.
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Oct 24, 2019 00:37
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I love Batroc, he's the best. His fights with Tarantula in Punisher: Eurohit are some of my super faves.   Edit: I need to make that last panel my new avatar
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Oct 24, 2019 01:08
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Dick Trauma posted:How the hell do people keep track of characters when each one has splintered off into like 50 different variations? It helps if you don't try to focus on all of them. And except a few legacy characters like Robin, Superboy, and Phoenix, it's usually not super complicated. Also, Hawkman's real superpower is absorbing multiple conflicting origin stories so other more popular characters can be kept simple.
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:Edit: I need to make that last panel my new avatar Yes. Yes you do. 
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Oct 24, 2019 10:44
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Wanderer posted:...I mean, yeah, Batroc has a silly accent and his win-loss record's not great, but considering who he's usually fighting, he's a legitimate badass. It actually makes sense that he'd be able to keep somebody like Batman tied up for a while. Anyone who likes Batroc needs to read Cap #303:      I legit love this guy.
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Oct 24, 2019 13:24
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Admiralty Flag posted:In my mind, Busiek is one of the GOATs because of the way Batman gets clowned in JLA/Avengers I need to re-read JLA/Avengers, because in text, both of those sound really bad.
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Oct 24, 2019 15:02
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JLA Avengers owns because it's basically allows two immensely talented individuals, who are also huge fanboys to boot, to just go nuts and play with all the toys. There's a ton of great character moments in that series.
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Oct 24, 2019 15:48
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Cap #303 was a good one, especially when Batroc kicks through a fence to nail Cap. Another fave is the excellent Captain America and Batroc one-shot by Gillen and Arlem where Batroc takes a job just to check out the new Captain America (Bucky). Batroc!
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Oct 24, 2019 17:43
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Anyone else think he looks kinda like Randy Savage there?
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SonicRulez posted:I need to re-read JLA/Avengers, because in text, both of those sound really bad. I think that "clowning" kind of overstates things -- they weren't that extreme. Although the part where Batman acts all snotty about Ben Grimm and Cap straightens him the gently caress out is super-awesome. 
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Oct 24, 2019 18:45
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Wanderer posted:...I mean, yeah, Batroc has a silly accent and his win-loss record's not great, but considering who he's usually fighting, he's a legitimate badass. It actually makes sense that he'd be able to keep somebody like Batman tied up for a while.  nobody's better than Batroc
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Oct 24, 2019 19:30
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prefect posted:I think that "clowning" kind of overstates things -- they weren't that extreme. What was his problem? Also: Have Batroc and Gambit ever met?
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Oct 25, 2019 05:19
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Beachcomber posted:What was his problem? it's pretty mild tbqh, Ben carries on about Yancy street for like four panels, and then: 
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Oct 25, 2019 06:35
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LordSaturn posted:it's pretty mild tbqh, Ben carries on about Yancy street for like four panels, and then: I might also have been overstating my case a tiny bit. 
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Oct 25, 2019 10:12
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It's one of those things that makes more sense in the conversation around the universes, i.e. that Marvel's flagship heroes are often bizarre misfits while DC's are usually sculpted paragons. I think that's become a lot less the case since JLA/Avengers in 2003, but in that era it's a pretty apt observation that a character who looked like the Thing wouldn't be headlining one of the DC universe's major superteams, and Batman is politely baffled by this Outsiders-looking guy being one of the world's big name heroes.
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Oct 25, 2019 10:29
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Alacron posted:Anyone else think he looks kinda like Randy Savage there? OH YEAAAAH! But seriously I love that one shot. Because it goes with the idea that Batroc as a mercenary is a super competant, morose guy who does stuff by the book. And hates it. The personification of a person doing a job for a cheque and nothing else. But as soon as Captain America shows up, he waxes up the moustache, puts on a comical French-English accent and had the time of his life. A man trying to prove that a master of Savant can stand up to a gene engineered super soldier.
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Oct 25, 2019 11:12
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There's a good Batroc scene at the end of Gruenwald's run where he comes to Avengers Mansion looking for Cap, who is, at this point dying and has but hours left to live. Cap is to tired for a confrontation and invites Batroc into the mansion for tea and the two talk for a while, with Cap trying to convince Batroc to become a hero.
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eliotlucas posted:There's a good Batroc scene at the end of Gruenwald's run where he comes to Avengers Mansion looking for Cap, who is, at this point dying and has but hours left to live. Cap is to tired for a confrontation and invites Batroc into the mansion for tea and the two talk for a while, with Cap trying to convince Batroc to become a hero. All I know of Gruenwald is he wrote the Skull vs Magneto moment which is incredibly badass.
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