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Would anyone like to explain Corbyn's stance on Brexit ?.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:02
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Brony Car posted:I was just using that as an example of how widespread the belief that Corbyn is an anti-semite is. Jeez. When the well connected Zionist groups and rightwing religious organisations are gunning for you as well as all of the press it's amazingly easy to make something into an issue. Find a single case of anti-semitism that doesn't end 'and they were suspended/expelled from the Party'. frumpykvetchbot posted:the noes didn't sound very robust. Most of the house is going to want to amend or vote for the original bill, it doesn't mean much.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:02
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Would anyone like to explain Corbyn's stance on Brexit ?. Sir, this is a Nando's
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Oct 22, 2019 19:03
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Would anyone like to explain Corbyn's stance on Brexit ?. It's a bit like a slav squat but he's holding a jam jar
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Oct 22, 2019 19:08
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Would anyone like to explain Corbyn's stance on Brexit ?. A) Labour should negotiate a deal that does its best to protect jobs, worker's rights, and rights of both EU and British citizens to ensure they are clear and protected properly as well. B) That deal should be put to the British people in a confirmatory referendum, Labour Deal vs. Remain.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:09
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Julio Cruz posted:so if a deal passes then No Deal could happen? do you even understand what words mean? I understand that you are monumentally loving stupid
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Oct 22, 2019 19:10
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Bape Culture posted:He does seem unelectable because of the job the big media outlets in this country have done on him and just from seeing and listening to things people in my social circles say and that’s pretty sad. Starmer would win because he “looks professional” and everyone one over the age of 40 is thick as gently caress lol. Cool country The main thing to keep in mind is that if it was someone like Ed Milliband up there, he'd be "Red Ed" and having the same or worse numbers without any of the popular support (momentum, if you will) to fall back on. Corbyn did not conjure Labour's problem of having incumbent MPs and potential battlegrounds in Leave constituencies out of thin air.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:12
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Sulphagnist posted:The main thing to keep in mind is that if it was someone like Ed Milliband up there, he'd be "Red Ed" and having the same or worse numbers without any of the popular support (momentum, if you will) to fall back on. Corbyn did not conjure Labour's problem of having incumbent MPs and potential battlegrounds in Leave constituencies out of thin air. It's not even a hypothetical, because we have the numbers that poor Ed's approval was dogshit even when he was being a focus-grouped bloodless milquetoast fuckman.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:16
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Ayes 329 Nos 299 The Ayes have it
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Oct 22, 2019 19:16
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Ms Adequate posted:Ayes 329 What does this even mean at this point? I'm so lost
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Oct 22, 2019 19:17
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Bill proceeds to second stage.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:17
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Well that's not ideal
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Oct 22, 2019 19:17
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What are they voting on now?
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Oct 22, 2019 19:17
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Ms Adequate posted:Ayes 329 As expected, but it's the next one to watch. I think. The order of business one I mean
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Oct 22, 2019 19:17
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's not even a hypothetical, because we have the numbers that poor Ed's approval was dogshit
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Oct 22, 2019 19:17
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Is Brexit done, Yuri? No, comrade premier. It has only begun.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:18
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Ms Adequate posted:Ayes 329 That's way higher than I thought it would be. Really, REALLY worried about the next vote now
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Oct 22, 2019 19:18
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Pochoclo posted:What does this even mean at this point? I'm so lost Bill proceeds to second reading, it can still get wrecked by the timetable vote happening now as the government says they'll pull it if this vote doesn't pass and even after that it can be amended in both houses. 30 majority to move beyond this point shows that there is still a stronger desire to move toward some kind of Brexit than not.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:18
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Guavanaut posted:Not even an ironic ftfy, people liked him more when he wasn't doing it. True, I certainly do
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Oct 22, 2019 19:18
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Pochoclo posted:What does this even mean at this point? I'm so lost This approves Second Reading, i.e. can the bill move forward in the House. Now they're voting on whether to approve the government's three day timetable.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:19
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I’m not feeling optimistic about this despite DUP saying they’ll vote against.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:19
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Depressingly large margin of victory. When it comes to the crunch I still really hope Corbyn withdraws the whip from rebels. People like Lisa Nandy won't want to end their parliamentary careers over this issue, and from today I don't think 'do what you like with no consequences' is going to work well.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:20
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The Golden Ratio https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1186707860924878849?s=19
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Oct 22, 2019 19:20
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https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186708645138124800 DUP going to gently caress it. Edit: https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186709024173166592 loving livetweets.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:21
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186708645138124800 Why the gently caress would they do that?
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Oct 22, 2019 19:21
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186708645138124800 Ah gently caress, I can believe they've done this
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Oct 22, 2019 19:21
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if Labour don't withdraw the whip from rebels, it's an absolute weakness of Corbyn's leadership that's going to cause the whole project crashing down.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:23
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186708645138124800 Bribe came through we're hosed lol EDIT: lol "THEY DIDNT MOVE THEY MUST BE ABSTAINING" this is the news of the future
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Oct 22, 2019 19:23
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Yeah this is just the bill going to second stage, which a lot of rebels voted for because they want to at least try and scrutinise and amend it. Some of them explicitly said that doesn't mean they're voting for it on 3rd reading (to actually become law) they just want to go through the process. Corbyn said it's too bad and we should just drop it but you can see the thinking This vote now is for the programme motion, which is trying to ram everything through in 3 days. If that's scrapped then we can run into an extension, and the government said if that happens (and we get a 3-month extension) they'll drop the whole bill and go for a christmas election sooooo this is kind of a big one
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Oct 22, 2019 19:24
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BBC Parliament doesn't usually have this lovely commentary does it? What gives?
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Oct 22, 2019 19:24
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There's no commentary on the stream e: didn't notice "BBC"
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Oct 22, 2019 19:25
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baka kaba posted:Yeah this is just the bill going to second stage, which a lot of rebels voted for because they want to at least try and scrutinise and amend it. Some of them explicitly said that doesn't mean they're voting for it on 3rd reading (to actually become law) they just want to go through the process. Corbyn said it's too bad and we should just drop it but you can see the thinking Do you think maybe some people voted for the second reading in order to get the chance to vote down the programme motion and have Boris pull the bill/call an election?
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Oct 22, 2019 19:26
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baka kaba posted:Yeah this is just the bill going to second stage, which a lot of rebels voted for because they want to at least try and scrutinise and amend it. Some of them explicitly said that doesn't mean they're voting for it on 3rd reading (to actually become law) they just want to go through the process. Corbyn said it's too bad and we should just drop it but you can see the thinking If you believe that from people like Flint, Nandy and Fitzpatrick, I don’t know what to say.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:27
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seizure later posted:if Labour don't withdraw the whip from rebels, it's an absolute weakness of Corbyn's leadership that's going to cause the whole project crashing down. Yeah all the shitheads in the PLP have me convinced a future Corbyn government would be about as powerless to do anything as the May and Johnson governments. This is a great opportunity to get rid of a bunch of them, but Corbyn won't do anything about the people repeatedly stabbing him in the back, as usual.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:28
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Cabbit posted:Do you think maybe some people voted for the second reading in order to get the chance to vote down the programme motion and have Boris pull the bill/call an election? They're too dumb for that. If it fails it'll be over something else imo.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:28
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I heard at Nandos that Kate Hoey is a sleeper agent bribed by Secret Hard Brexiteer Corbyn to counterbalance his vote. ARE KATE
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Oct 22, 2019 19:28
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So if this one fails then if the EU gives an extension long enough for a GE that wouldn't have the no-deal dropout sneakiness?
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Oct 22, 2019 19:30
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Not feelin' good at this right now.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:32
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Also really wishing Corbs would have started being hardline on the whip. I think he wanted to get things moving leftwards by getting people deselected instead, which is fine except there's still ongoing votes that need discipline before the deselections roll around.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:32
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Cabbit posted:Do you think maybe some people voted for the second reading in order to get the chance to vote down the programme motion and have Boris pull the bill/call an election? seems like a dangerous move but who knows in brexit town Pesmerga posted:If you believe that from people like Flint, Nandy and Fitzpatrick, I don’t know what to say. obviously some of them are liars, but there will be some wavery rebels for that reason and it makes sense that Corbyn wouldn't whip at this stage, it's the 3rd stage where it definitely needs to be killed. Especially if this programme motion gets destroyed, the bill might collapse on its own
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Oct 22, 2019 19:32
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