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ewiley posted:This seems ominous and also lost in the noise the military has contingency plans for everything. they've got plans in case aliens invade. it's a good thought exercise and a way to keep junior officers busy with how to make plans previously, there wasn't much of a need for plans in case the president of the united states decides to poo poo himself on a whim. now there is a need
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ewiley posted:This seems ominous and also lost in the noise Nah that's business as normal, they always have contingency plans for seemingly everything under the sun. That they have to make up mad king contingency plans is pretty hosed up though, for sure.
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"i just wanted him to call me to make sure we understood each other not to avoid a paper tra..." https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1186728263172923392 "oh"
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Not entirely sure how this changes things. Didn’t we already know this was the case?
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evilweasel posted:they tried, he received a friendly subpoena so that he could tell them to pound sand Right, and it's gonna be pretty hard for state to obstruct career diplomatic professionals. They ain't diving in front of a bullet for Trump.
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Almost Smart posted:It brings to mind a quote from, I want say Trey Gowdy(?) in the lead up to the 2016 election where he flat-out admitted Benghazi hearing #236 was just to drag Hillary and depress her voter turnout. The ends always justify the means with these guys. That was McCarthy, and his moment of honesty cost him the Speaker’s job.
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ewiley posted:This seems ominous and also lost in the noise Is pretty telling that we now need "idiot king" plans. Surprised we did not already have them.
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"when i said that there was no "quid pro quo" what i meant was that it wasn't just this for that, it was everything for that" https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1186727470424305664
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evilweasel posted:"i just wanted him to call me to make sure we understood each other not to avoid a paper tra..." Ooph. Gonna be another one of ‘those’ afternoons I guess.
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Drunk Theory posted:Is pretty telling that we now need "idiot king" plans. Surprised we did not already have them. The old Nixon directive is absolutely in full effect right now even though no one can admit it
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Pollyanna posted:Not entirely sure how this changes things. Didn’t we already know this was the case? Yes, but they were testing out a "we were just interested in making sure Ukraine was serious about cleaning up corruption in general" talking point for GOP apologists in Congress to hide behind. Predictably, even that thin cover has been blown.
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i was going to try to post damning parts of this thing but holy motherfucking poo poo it's all damning and people should read it all
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Oct 22, 2019 20:45
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also sondland is entirely, completely, utterly hosed
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I feel like the "must announce the investigation in a big public spectacle way or no aid" stuff is new here, no?
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haveblue posted:The old Nixon directive is absolutely in full effect right now even though no one can admit it What was the Nixon directive? "We don't care what the law says we'll disobey any nuclear launch order from Nixon"? E: am I getting confused with the tail end of Reagan here, where the VP warned all the staff that any nuclear authorization had to go through him first?
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This was a test. If Ukraine agreed then I would know that they truly were corrupt but they passed with flying colors. Good bless the Ukrainian states of America
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ShutteredIn posted:I feel like the "must announce the investigation in a big public spectacle way or no aid" stuff is new here, no? it was danced around a lot but this is our first confirmation that yes that's exactly what Trump wanted and exactly what he told his people to ask for
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ShutteredIn posted:I feel like the "must announce the investigation in a big public spectacle way or no aid" stuff is new here, no? we knew that the demand was a public statement opening the investigation for a few weeks, i believe. well, at least since last week, time is fuzzing
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ewiley posted:Yes this is exactly it and I've seen it first hand, the talking points are in-group language that signifies membership. It really has nothing to do with the talking points being valid, it's just the shared rubric. It is also what Schrödinger's rear end in a top hat (or racist, bigot, misogynist, etc) is trying to make use of. Their initial statement is a bit of in-group language which others with their shared values will spot and amplify but which will cause out of group people to react dismissively or negatively but not so negatively that it can't be passed off as an in poor taste "joke". It is a low risk check to see whether they are in the company of "their" people.
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ShutteredIn posted:I feel like the "must announce the investigation in a big public spectacle way or no aid" stuff is new here, no? Just yesterday, all but one GOP members of the house voted to censure Schiff. It's going to all happen at once if it does and really hard to pin down which bombshell is the proverbial camel back breaker
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Kinda hilarious that state is putting in so much work to take trump down they're literally working harder in 2 months than the democrats have in 3 years and it's hilarious
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evilweasel posted:also sondland is entirely, completely, utterly hosed The worst he gets is a finger wagging and maybe one of the feistier reps yells at him.
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So one of the hilarious parts of this statement is that Trump said it wasn't quid pro quo but that the aid was contingent on a public announcement. Apparently he though that announcing that it wasn't quid pro quo made it ok.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Kinda hilarious that state is putting in so much work to take trump down Trump publicly poo poo on them repeatedly, just like he did with the FBI, CIA, etc. So Trump literally did the exact opposite of Gleichschaltung because he's too much of a moron tantrum baby to even do a fascism right. Thankfully.
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sexpig by night posted:they're literally working harder in 2 months than the democrats have in 3 years and it's hilarious none of this comes to light without the work that democrats across the country put into retaking the house
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luxury handset posted:the military has contingency plans for everything. they've got plans in case aliens invade. it's a good thought exercise and a way to keep junior officers busy with how to make plans Yeah, so it's good to know the contingency they had carefully drawn up for the scenario of "President orders the US military to immediately vacate Syria so Turkey can invade" was "get in the truck, leave everything standing and in good working order, just GTFO"
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oxsnard posted:Just yesterday, all but one GOP members of the house voted to censure Schiff. Speaking of which, real good timing on the House GOP's part to put their full endorsement behind Trump's corruption the day before all this comes out.
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ryde posted:So one of the hilarious parts of this statement is that Trump said it wasn't quid pro quo but that the aid was contingent on a public announcement. Apparently he though that announcing that it wasn't quid pro quo made it ok. It's easy to make impeachable acts perfectly normal. Just say that they aren't impeachable acts before you describe them as impeachable acts! It's bulletproof.
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ryde posted:So one of the hilarious parts of this statement is that Trump said it wasn't quid pro quo but that the aid was contingent on a public announcement. Apparently he though that announcing that it wasn't quid pro quo made it ok. He doesn't know what quid pro quo means. He just knows (dimly, after having it explained to him wearily by aides) that it's a bad thing, so whatever it is, it wasn't that.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Kinda hilarious that state is putting in so much work to take trump down Well he did his best to destroy the State Department, so it's not that surprising.
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Data Graham posted:Yeah, so it's good to know the contingency they had carefully drawn up for the scenario of "President orders the US military to immediately vacate Syria so Turkey can invade" was "get in the truck, leave everything standing and in good working order, just GTFO" Actually they bombed their own facilities. e: Also, short of averting nuclear war by presidential tantrum, having the military disobey presidential orders is uhhhh incredibly bad.
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sean10mm posted:Actually they bombed their own facilities. Yeah, eventually, after Russian journalists had the run of the place for like three days
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Data Graham posted:Yeah, eventually, after Russian journalists had the run of the place for like three days They bombed their operational hq, nothing else as far as I know.
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evilweasel posted:"when i said that there was no "quid pro quo" what i meant was that it wasn't just this for that, it was everything for that" "trump wants him to be publicly hosed" is a strong diplomatic message
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It's not quid pro quo if you have no intention of keeping your end of the bargain
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Data Graham posted:Yeah, so it's good to know the contingency they had carefully drawn up for the scenario of "President orders the US military to immediately vacate Syria so Turkey can invade" was "get in the truck, leave everything standing and in good working order, just GTFO" I think that's just it. They did not have a contingency for that. So now they are putting together plans for other incredibly stupid Trump orders so they aren't as blindsided.
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