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Tubgoat posted:I'd love to play Black Devotion again, but Red will have to do. Black devotion looks like it'll still be pretty sweet though. I wasn't really playing in that Standard, so what is it missing from pre RTR?
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lol card gamers https://twitter.com/yoman_5/status/1186705629337006080?s=19
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Oct 22, 2019 19:22
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InterrupterJones posted:Black devotion looks like it'll still be pretty sweet though. I wasn't really playing in that Standard, so what is it missing from pre RTR? I've been trying to make Black Devo/Zombies work in modern but it... just doesn't feel right.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:23
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Reasons Pioneer is bad: Path to Exile Dismember Extirpate Surgiical Extraction Nature's Claim Ancient Grudge Lightning Helix
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Oct 22, 2019 19:23
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Toshimo posted:Reasons Pioneer is far superior to Modern: FTFY, also completely agreed.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:28
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mandatory lesbian posted:Isn't veil of summer just a straight upgrade to autumn? Oh, THAT'S why I keep calling it Autumn's Veil - it's an actual card that does the same thing but tremendously less pushed. Cactrot posted:It's kinda hilarious how different the reaction to Pioneer and Frontier has been. i mean it is a grift to sell unused copies of old standard cards but it will also is an easy way to qualify for PTs and grind MTGO tickets, unlike with Frontier
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Oct 22, 2019 19:35
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Liliveil, 'cause they won't reprint her.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:37
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Toshimo posted:Reasons Pioneer is bad: This game’s kinda fun actually
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Oct 22, 2019 19:43
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I'm actually disappointed in all of you for forgetting that in Pioneer, you can play a new and improved version of MURDERGOATS. That deck has access to Havoc Devil, the Eldraine Sac Package, and TWO Aristocrats.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:51
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Count Bleck posted:I'm actually disappointed in all of you for forgetting that in Pioneer, you can play a new and improved version of MURDERGOATS. C-Euro posted:You, a simpleton: rebuild MonoB Devotion
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Oct 22, 2019 19:53
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No Wave posted:Pioneer does seem like the format a lot of people want modern to be (not just cost but power level). I'm pretty optimistic about the format. I am too, honestly. Modern's honestly just become Legacy Lite at this point in terms of power level and cost and while that's not necessarily a bad thing (I do play cEDH after all), it's really restrictive for my easily-bored ADHD rear end who likes to switch decks up pretty frequently. Pioneer seems to have a power level more enjoyable than what Standard has to offer with the non-rotation of Modern which makes it far, far more appealing for me to buy into. In fact, I could pretty much build a mono-blue Devotion deck right now-- all I'd really need is 3 more Master of Waves. Y'know, that, and Friday nights off.
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Oct 22, 2019 19:54
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Oh man, mono black and mono blue devotion were actually really dope decks, just kind of too powerful for their formats. I'm having too much fun playing five color niv-mizzet in modern right now, apart from the urza bullshit modern is cool.
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Oct 22, 2019 20:00
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Noob back in the motherfucking thread. What is Pioneer? Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value?
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InterrupterJones posted:Black devotion looks like it'll still be pretty sweet though. I wasn't really playing in that Standard, so what is it missing from pre RTR? Tubgoat posted:Geralf's Messenger and, to a SLIGHTLY lesser extent, Gravecrawler. They were my fuckin' homies, along with Falkenrath Aristocrat. Unless I'm mixing up my standard metas and I should be harvesting a set Nightveil Specter right now. You have to be mixing up your Standard metas, yes, because by definition RTR/Theros standard did not include anything pre-RTR. Buy those Nightveils. You might be thinking of some Modern deck. Perry Mason Jar posted:Noob back in the motherfucking thread. What is Pioneer? Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value? Your mom's MTG cards from 1991 are almost certainly some kind of one-of-a-kind collector's items, yes.
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Oct 22, 2019 20:04
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Noob back in the motherfucking thread. What is Pioneer? Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value? They're probably still valuable if they're from way back then. Otherwise, Pioneer is from Return to Ravnica onward. It's Wizards' new official format between Modern and Standard.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Noob back in the motherfucking thread. What is Pioneer? Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value? pioneer starts with a 2012 set, but those cards might actually genuinely be valuable anyway
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Oct 22, 2019 20:06
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Noob back in the motherfucking thread. What is Pioneer? Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value? Pioneer is brand new format that was just announced. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-pioneer-format-2019-10-21 And most likely yes your old cards have value.
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Oct 22, 2019 20:07
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I would love to play Pioneer in MTGA but it seems to be a format that exists to both deal with Modern's bloat as well as give MTGO a reason to live. And I'm not going back to that hell program
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Noob back in the motherfucking thread. What is Pioneer? Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value? new format that got announced yesterday that is Return to Ravnica forwards, the 5 Onslaught/Khan's fetchlands are banned your mom's cards still bad, sorry
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Oct 22, 2019 20:08
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pioneer is bad because every card that lets you win in an interesting way is out of the format, so it’s just going to be upgunned Ramunap Red beating upgunned Esper Control and losing to upgunned Jund and Sultai midrange, forever, world without end, amen. As soon as Energy or Ascendancy or any other remotely interesting deck threatens the Aggro/Midrange/Control treadmill it will be banned without mercy
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Oct 22, 2019 20:11
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Noob back in the motherfucking thread. What is Pioneer? Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value?
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:pioneer is bad because every card that lets you win in an interesting way is out of the format, so it’s just going to be upgunned Ramunap Red beating upgunned Esper Control and losing to upgunned Jund and Sultai midrange, forever, world without end, amen. Jeskai Ascendancy is not going to be banned. (You can quote me on this one) Even with Emry, the cards that make it busted are pre RTR, as with most other decks. I mean sure, once the format irons out and becomes more competitive, the most efficient decks that win the easiest will rise to the top. However, the format's beginning is going to be fun, and I think there's even a strong possibility that it stays interesting. Instead of just being modern or standard, it's going to be all the past standard formats with new interactions/answers that they didn't have the benefit of having at their time.
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I have no problem with modern becoming the new legacy, sort of like a legacy without a reserve list. It's always fun to play, you just gotta know what you've signed up for. Pioneer won't have 8th and 9th edition and the horizons crap, so it will be like the new extended format, just without the rotation. Could be fun.
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InterrupterJones posted:Jeskai Ascendancy is not going to be banned. (You can quote me on this one) Even with Emry, the cards that make it busted are pre RTR, as with most other decks. Mox Amber's in format.
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Haha, jokes on him. I'm jamming maze's end and field of the dead into that deck. Twice the jank twice the fun!
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Bonus posted:I have no problem with modern becoming the new legacy, sort of like a legacy without a reserve list. It's always fun to play, you just gotta know what you've signed up for. Yeah, I'll still play Modern but having Pioneer around means I can take some of my more fringe Modern ideas and just port them over to a less-expensive format, and save my Modern reps for the decks that I actually know and enjoy. I just hope the stores around here will have Pioneer events without cutting into the Modern events they already have.
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I just wonder how long until they print Pioneer Horizons lol
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Bonus posted:I just wonder how long until they print Pioneer Horizons lol It might already be in development. Nobody knows but WOTC. I would assume this format was talked about and approved long ago.
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Bonus posted:I just wonder how long until they print Pioneer Horizons lol This might be the ~Mystery Booster~
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Reusing horizon would just confuse people. Perhaps Pioneering Frontiers?
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Your favorite draft themes since 2012, GO! ALLIES
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Did my mom's 1991-1995 cards just gain a bunch of value? I checked those cards out last night, there's nothing of value in there.
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Tibalt posted:Your favorite draft themes since 2012, GO! MM2015 Spirits/Soulshift. It was so loving good and by far the most broken draft deck I've ever had.
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Tibalt posted:Your favorite draft themes since 2012, GO! Miracles!
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The Pioneer Masters set symbol better be a covered wagon or I'm going to be pissed.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I checked those cards out last night, there's nothing of value in there.  *Darrell-Hammond-as-Sean-Connery-voice* Well done, laddy! Bonus posted:legacy without a reserve list.
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Tubgoat posted:There is absolutely a reserve list, it is any card that is too expensive for SCG and CFB to allow a reprint of. For every Underground Sea that Star City Games sells, they sell thousands of other cards. They would rather sell fifty $10 Underground Seas reprinted in Vintage Masters than have a single $500 Underground Sea from Revised sit in a case forever.
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Tubgoat posted:There is absolutely a reserve list, it is any card that is too expensive for SCG and CFB to allow a reprint of. Imagine my shock that you of all people are spouting off about something you know nothing about. SCG is against the reserved list and always has been. They tried to get rid of it a while ago when WotC decided to double down on it instead. I can't imagine CFB being any different for the same reason. Turns out you make more money when you can sell cards. Shocking, I know.
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InterrupterJones posted:Black devotion looks like it'll still be pretty sweet though. I wasn't really playing in that Standard, so what is it missing from pre RTR? It's the first deck I'm brewing right now: Avaya Liliana, the Last Hope Gray Merchant Pack Rat Gifted Aetherborn Whip of Erebos Deathrite Shaman? Liliana, Deaths Majesty Madness cards to pitch to rats?
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Don't worry, Wizards will absolutely refuse to reprint the expensive Pioneer cards in sufficient quantity, and then in 2026 will poo poo out a direct-to-Pioneer supplemental set that ruins the metagame, refuse to ban the problem cards from it, and start pushing Historic as a paper format.
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