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Those magic horse magic cards for charity are up for sale now on HasbroPulse. "A donation of thirty dollars ($30.00) per card set will be made to Extra Life benefitting Seattle Children's Hospital." https://hasbropulse.com/products/ponies-the-galloping
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Oct 22, 2019 22:33
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$20 for three cards is not great but at least they tried.
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Oct 22, 2019 22:44
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so when does rainbow sparkle sleeve go for sale on arena?
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Oct 22, 2019 22:53
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suicidesteve posted:Imagine my shock that you of all people are spouting off about something you know nothing about. I am frankly shocked that you don't have me on ignore.  If WotC gave even a ghost of a fraction of a poo poo, they would simply ignore the reserve list. It's not a legal contract, and it's clear by *gestures all around* all this, that faith and trust mean less to them than affordability of formats. I'm sorry about your collection.
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Oct 22, 2019 22:54
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Jabor posted:Don't worry, Wizards will absolutely refuse to reprint the expensive Pioneer cards in sufficient quantity, and then in 2026 will poo poo out a direct-to-Pioneer supplemental set that ruins the metagame, refuse to ban the problem cards from it, and start pushing Historic as a paper format. Nah, I think they are going to backfill on Arena and replace Historic with Pioneer
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Oct 22, 2019 23:00
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My assumption is that at this point keeping the Reserve List is because of Hasbro management and not WotC itself.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:00
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whydirt posted:My assumption is that at this point keeping the Reserve List is because of Hasbro management and not WotC itself. It really is likely fear of lawsuits. I don't know if any type of precedent has been set on this type of thing, but they probably don't want to make it
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Oct 22, 2019 23:10
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Monospaced, like the kids do: Play Standard
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Oct 22, 2019 23:11
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there would absolutely be a lawsuit if WOTC abolished the reserved list. It might not be successful but it would take up time and effort and cost money. Moreover, while they could certainly sell reserved list cards, it’s not clear that doing so would be a more profitable than whatever other product would otherwise go in that release slot, let alone sufficiently more profitable to balance the litigation costs. Meanwhile they could create another reprint set with all ten fetches at rare and basically nothing else and boosters would fly off shelves. They won’t because they don’t want to. The reserved list is stupid and should be abolished, but WOTC is already pigheaded about reprints and that’s not likely to change soon.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:15
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I just realized that not only does a new format like Pioneer give WOTC new reprint equity to cash in on via Masters-style products, it also increases the demand on their newly printed Standard cards. Many of them will be good enough for Pioneer but not for Modern, increasing immediate demand that formerly would have relied only on Standard players.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:26
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does that mean they can stop printing cards like Teferi, Narset, and Oko?
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Oct 22, 2019 23:27
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No Wave posted:does that mean they can stop printing cards like Teferi, Narset, and Oko? No I cant imagine they will ever stop printing good cards at the top of their power level curve
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Oct 22, 2019 23:30
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:No I cant imagine they will ever stop printing needlessly pushed mythics well beyond the top of legacy's power level curve
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Oct 22, 2019 23:33
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Good thing only one of those cards is a mythic!
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Oct 22, 2019 23:41
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Teferi makes me.... unable to counter spells! The horror!
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Oct 22, 2019 23:44
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No Wave posted:does that mean they can stop printing cards like Teferi, Narset, and Oko? They probably still want the game to be fun.
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Oct 22, 2019 23:45
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Teferi makes me.... unable to counter spells! The horror! This but unironically
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Oct 23, 2019 00:02
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BizarroAzrael posted:It's the first deck I'm brewing right now: Liliana last hope seems like she should have a spot. Voldaren Pariah and From Under the Floorboards seem like the only good mono black madness cards, seems not great.
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Oct 23, 2019 00:04
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Bugsy posted:Liliana last hope seems like she should have a spot. Liliana is actually kind of bad since there aren't really any X/1s in Pioneer. The only X/1 dork is Elvish Mystic. >_> Edit: Ok, yeah. My point still stands.  vvvvvvvvvvvvv AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Oct 23, 2019 00:05
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AlternateNu posted:Liliana is actually kind of bad since there aren't really any X/1s in Pioneer. The only X/1 dork is Elvish Mystic. >_> ...Llanowar Elves?
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Oct 23, 2019 00:06
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Honestly at least it will give SaffronOlive something to do for Against The Odds beyond "a legit deck but with four bad cards"
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Oct 23, 2019 00:12
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AnEdgelord posted:This but unironically Yes, removing one color's entire form of interaction is bad, actualy. Never mind all the other stupid things it also does.
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Oct 23, 2019 00:16
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blue can in fact do things other than counterspell
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Oct 23, 2019 00:18
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AnEdgelord posted:This but unironically C-Euro posted:Good thing only one of those cards is a mythic!
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Oct 23, 2019 00:19
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Tubgoat posted:Also sneak in under counterspells. gently caress T3feri. lil tef is a rare
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Oct 23, 2019 00:21
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Time posted:lil tef is a rare Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha holy loving poo poo that makes it even more egregious! I keep forgetting because the game is unwinnable once I can't cast burn spells at end of turn!
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Oct 23, 2019 00:25
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Tubgoat posted:Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha holy loving poo poo that makes it even more egregious! I keep forgetting because the game is unwinnable once I can't cast burn spells at end of turn! Narset is an uncommon!
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Oct 23, 2019 00:26
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C-Euro posted:Narset is an uncommon!
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Oct 23, 2019 00:28
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Who has a Spirits list for Pioneer? I already had a bad fetch-less, Cavern-less Spirits deck so this format seems cool to me.
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Oct 23, 2019 00:30
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Yoked posted:Who has a Spirits list for Pioneer? From: https://www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/articles/12-pioneer-decks-to-build-around/ 4 Hallowed Fountain 2 Mutavault 2 Unclaimed Territory 1 Port Town 2 Glacial Fortress 4 Breeding Pool 4 Hallowed Fountain 4 Temple Garden 2 Botanical Sanctum 4 Mausoleum Wanderer 4 Spectral Sailor 3 Rattlechains 3 Selfless Spirit 4 Supreme Phantom 4 Spell Queller 3 Deputy of Detention 3 Reflector Mage 4 Collected Company 3 Spell Pierce Sideboard 3 Rest in Peace 2 Teferi, Time Raveler 2 Oko, Thief of Crowns 2 Damping Sphere 2 Ceremonious Rejection 2 Knight of Autumn 2 Dromoka’s Command
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Oct 23, 2019 00:33
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:there would absolutely be a lawsuit if WOTC abolished the reserved list. It might not be successful but it would take up time and effort and cost money. Hasbro has a legal department that they're paying whether or not garbage lawsuits that will be booted from the court in picoseconds are filed against them. The reserve list promise is not a contract, a legal agreement, or even under the purview of false advertising claims. If they're holding to the reserve list it is not for fear of lawsuits. quote:Moreover, while they could certainly sell reserved list cards, it’s not clear that doing so would be a more profitable than whatever other product would otherwise go in that release slot, let alone sufficiently more profitable to balance the litigation costs. I'm honestly at a loss here as to what you're saying. Do you think companies only get to release x products a year? That putting up a $200 set of dual lands for sale on their website today, with a fulfillment 1 year from now so they could print them, wouldn't make more money than not doing it?
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Oct 23, 2019 00:44
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Bugsy posted:Liliana last hope seems like she should have a spot. Asylum Visitor seems good, good enough to run in 8-Rack sideboards.
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Oct 23, 2019 01:17
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:there would absolutely be a lawsuit if WOTC abolished the reserved list. It might not be successful but it would take up time and effort and cost money. Isn't one of the reasons why corporations are a problem these days is because they can use legal action as a bullying tactic, not due to the merits or lack thereof of a given suit, but because John Q. Public will go broke long before $megacorp does if they actually try to fight in court? I'm genuinely curious why the calculus seems to be reversed in this, one of the few cases where that dynamic might actually do some good in the world.
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PJOmega posted:I'm honestly at a loss here as to what you're saying. Do you think companies only get to release x products a year? That putting up a $200 set of dual lands for sale on their website today, with a fulfillment 1 year from now so they could print them, wouldn't make more money than not doing it? Yes, there’s a point at which you start glutting the market and lose the ability to sell cardboard at such a hilarious markup. There’s a reason they didn’t do masters sets every quarter (until that time they did and had to stop making them altogether)
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JerryLee posted:Isn't one of the reasons why corporations are a problem these days is because they can use legal action as a bullying tactic, not due to the merits or lack thereof of a given suit, but because John Q. Public will go broke long before $megacorp does if they actually try to fight in court? Because a class made of people with more money than sense is a whole different animal to face off against
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Oct 23, 2019 01:37
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Bugsy posted:From: https://www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/articles/12-pioneer-decks-to-build-around/ It's an easy fix, but this list has 8 Hallowed Fountains in it.
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JerryLee posted:Isn't one of the reasons why corporations are a problem these days is because they can use legal action as a bullying tactic, not due to the merits or lack thereof of a given suit, but because John Q. Public will go broke long before $megacorp does if they actually try to fight in court? You'll note that this still costs the megacorp money, so it's only worth it if the behaviour you're getting sued over profits you more than you spend defending it. But the real reason is that the upper management at wotc (the ones you don't see writing articles and interacting with customers on the internet) are diehard believers in propping up the secondary market - but they've listened to their lawyers enough to not say that in any discoverable medium. You can see this leak through occasionally when maro or someone occasionally talks about their conspicuously unnamed boss.
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Oct 23, 2019 01:48
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All manner of lovely behavior by corporations in America costs thousands of times more than just not being lovely. The v v v Nice!
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Oct 23, 2019 01:53
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Check your local bulk boxes. I got an aetherworks marvel, 9 heart of kirans and 2 siege rhinos in the 15 for $5 box.
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PJOmega posted:Hasbro has a legal department that they're paying whether or not garbage lawsuits that will be booted from the court in picoseconds are filed against them. The reserve list promise is not a contract, a legal agreement, or even under the purview of false advertising claims. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the way corporate litigation works and I don’t mean to talk down to you if you are, but: 1) there is a well established principle of contract law known as promissory estoppel that basically says that even though WOTC didn’t sign a contract when they established the reserved list, the fact that they knew it would induce certain actions in the secondary market and it did so means there are legal hurdles to them going back on it 2) even if this legal theory wouldn’t ultimately win, it’s certainly enough to get past the pleading stage and into discovery, which is hugely expensive and time consuming 3) all big corps have in house departments, but they tend not to be litigation experts, so WOTC would have to hire outside counsel at tremendous expense. Also hasbro’s legal team isn’t sitting around with their thumbs up their asses, they’re doing stuff every day, and this would be a huge amount of extra work, so they’d have to bring in outside counsel for that too. so yes a lawsuit would be very expensive and annoying, and more to the point, abolishing the reserved list would not be much more lucrative than a thousand other things they can do that don’t have huge legal question marks hanging over them
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