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S04e05: VIR YOU GLORIOUS 'INCAPABLE' BASTARD!
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Oct 25, 2019 02:14
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I gotta wonder just what it was like for fans of Animal House who watched Babylon 5 when it was on its initial run. "And the entire diplomatic staff to the Centauri ambassador is ... Flounder." And then the whole march of Vir's character development.
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Oct 25, 2019 02:32
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Vavrek posted:I gotta wonder just what it was like for fans of Animal House who watched Babylon 5 when it was on its initial run. It's all I can see with Steven Furst
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Oct 25, 2019 02:36
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What I can't get over with O'Hare is that every part of his S1 character arc is THERE IS A HOLE IN YOUR MIND. Like, that's the line he has to keep having shouted at him over and over, episode after episode, and it is literally true
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Oct 25, 2019 03:14
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CainFortea posted:This is probably the right answer. (s3 spoiler) the setups are almost identical. Both women were basically frontier adventurers. Both poked at the Shadows. The only difference between the two is that Sakai and Sinclair were split before she was lost. That’s absolutely what it would have been.
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Oct 25, 2019 03:32
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Starting on S2 in my rewatch and I just noticed that Ivanova has a really clear  when Sheridan says it's been two years since his last orange. You have to wonder how much that's "Wow, that's a long time with no oranges," and how much it's "Oh god, right, now I remember serving under this man before, I'm going to be hearing about loving oranges every day."S2, mid-late spoiler: Given how much he talks about it being two years since his wife died, when he first really talks about that at length, I was struck by the fact that it's the same exact length of time since his last orange. Maybe he responded to grief by avoiding it, staying on his ship and at work (away from fruit), which would explain why it's still so raw for him when he confronts Morden.
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Oct 25, 2019 04:06
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Vavrek posted:Starting on S2 in my rewatch and I just noticed that Ivanova has a really clear That's a good catch and some good writing.
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Oct 25, 2019 04:14
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Franklin: "Well, the human body's an amazing thing. It can cure itself or it can simply decide one day that the world is too painful to deal with and won't cooperate no matter how hard you try to heal it." As I recall, Richard Biggs (Franklin's actor), died of an aortic dissection that just sort of ... happened, one day. Babylon Curse  edit, unrelated: There's a Minbari woman from the warrior caste later in this episode and I gotta say I really dig the heavier, spikier bone crest look on her. I feel like all the other warrior caste we see are men. Vavrek fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Oct 25, 2019 |
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Oct 25, 2019 04:22
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Vavrek posted:
IIRC Sheridan was basically shuffled off onto that ship and sent out into the hinterlands specifically to get rid of him. It wasn't a choice so much as being sent to coventry.
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Oct 25, 2019 07:00
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Vavrek posted:Starting on S2 in my rewatch and I just noticed that Ivanova has a really clear That's exactly what happened. And if you pay attention, you'll notice that Sheridan almost always has a bowl of oranges in his quarters.
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Oct 25, 2019 09:01
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This episode with the ISN special on Babylon 5 is really infuriating!
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Oct 26, 2019 03:43
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Oh, I was going to ask just where you were, because I have a thing to say, to keep in mind: The Illusion of Truth is S4E08, right? I won't say anything about the episode, but keep an eye out for S4E19: Intersections in Real Time. That was originally planned as the Season 4 finale, before the existence of Season 5 was thrown into serious doubt (the network B5 was on was going away) and JMS decided to compress the story by a few episodes. Just, keep that in mind as you watch S4E19: This was supposed to be how Season 4 ended.
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Oct 26, 2019 04:07
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TraderStav posted:This episode with the ISN special on Babylon 5 is really infuriating! Fake News
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Oct 26, 2019 04:17
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Vavrek posted:Oh, I was going to ask just where you were, because I have a thing to say, to keep in mind: The Illusion of Truth is S4E08, right? I won't say anything about the episode, but keep an eye out for S4E19: Intersections in Real Time. That was originally planned as the Season 4 finale, before the existence of Season 5 was thrown into serious doubt (the network B5 was on was going away) and JMS decided to compress the story by a few episodes. that would have been incredible
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Oct 26, 2019 04:26
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TraderStav posted:For our season 1 friend. I cannot believe how good the CGI is in season 4, irrespective of how bad it was in Season 1. With the nebula background and beautiful ships I think it may be surpassing Trek of the same era. B5 from start to finish is just oozing that CGI feel before texturing is really a thing, but they were so bold from the start with what they were willing to do with their models. Star Trek special effects artists never even dream of cutting their ships in half, even after they went full CGI and didn't have to worry about ruining months of work. Cheap CGI also has a snowballing effect on shows that run for a while, where it gets better over time as they can reuse old models but still have the same budget to make new ones. It's interesting how the spacebattles of B5 are a much more realistic affair without any energy shields. Just a bunch of missiles ramming directly into metal. I do think it's weird that there's no lifeboat deals to escape dying, exploding ships, but I guess it's more particles to animate. It would've been neat to see some plots about POWs or targeting survivors with weapons or negotiations over recovering survivors from battlefields.
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Oct 26, 2019 05:21
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's interesting how the spacebattles of B5 are a much more realistic affair without any energy shields. Just a bunch of missiles ramming directly into metal. I do think it's weird that there's no lifeboat deals to escape dying, exploding ships, but I guess it's more particles to animate. It would've been neat to see some plots about POWs or targeting survivors with weapons or negotiations over recovering survivors from battlefields. I think it fits better without them. When you see cruisers getting shot up it's not the slow slug fest. It's "pew pew pew now i'm dead"
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Oct 26, 2019 05:27
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's interesting how the spacebattles of B5 are a much more realistic affair without any energy shields. Just a bunch of missiles ramming directly into metal. I do think it's weird that there's no lifeboat deals to escape dying, exploding ships, but I guess it's more particles to animate. It would've been neat to see some plots about POWs or targeting survivors with weapons or negotiations over recovering survivors from battlefields. Actually this comes up quite a bit. It's just dialogue or offscreen shuttle convoys rather than seeing pods jettisoning off the hull like in Star Trek.
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Oct 26, 2019 06:13
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Actually this comes up quite a bit. It's just dialogue or offscreen shuttle convoys rather than seeing pods jettisoning off the hull like in Star Trek. Also remember that ships in Trek having shields means there's time to evacuate. In B5, once the hull is ruptured you're pretty much dead.
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Oct 26, 2019 07:21
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Jedit posted:In B5, once the hull is ruptured you're pretty much dead. The Expanse goes further into realism with this, in combat the crew puts on pressure suits and most ships depressurize to stop fires and explosive decompressions.
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Oct 26, 2019 07:28
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Patricia Tallman did a convention appearance in my town earlier today and I caught the latter part of her guest panel, had a few interesting stories, like her stunt double work in Jurassic Park and amazed everyone was at the bruises she got during the falling skeleton scene, or the concussion she got in a Dick Wolf movie of the week, or how Walter Koenig would troll her relentlessly, or how a married executive tanked her role reprisal after the pilot because she wouldn't sleep with him. Pretty neat.
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Oct 26, 2019 07:59
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Vavrek posted:Oh, I was going to ask just where you were, because I have a thing to say, to keep in mind: The Illusion of Truth is S4E08, right? I won't say anything about the episode, but keep an eye out for S4E19: Intersections in Real Time. That was originally planned as the Season 4 finale, before the existence of Season 5 was thrown into serious doubt (the network B5 was on was going away) and JMS decided to compress the story by a few episodes. Noted. These are definitely feeling like they are rushing toward an end here! Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Fake News As we've discussed before, this is really prescient for our current time. Really left me unsettled. SlothfulCobra posted:B5 from start to finish is just oozing that CGI feel before texturing is really a thing, but they were so bold from the start with what they were willing to do with their models. Star Trek special effects artists never even dream of cutting their ships in half, even after they went full CGI and didn't have to worry about ruining months of work. Cheap CGI also has a snowballing effect on shows that run for a while, where it gets better over time as they can reuse old models but still have the same budget to make new ones. I've always enjoyed the more 'raw' space battles that don't end up just being a light show. A projectile hitting huge slabs of metal is just much more terrifying and satisfying. THEN when they bust out the huge laser that takes a lot of energy to charge but it just scalpels ships up... So good. I hadn't thought about the reason why Trek doesn't have more of that is because they're models versus CGI. I can understand why as that is a lot of work! I wish they didn't do CGI for buildings and sets though. Aside from the Narn one (which is so simple it easily passes) they look really unnatural. Recent examples: PSI Corp HQ, ISN newsdesk, Minbar. The Centauri Prime one somehow looks good though
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Oct 26, 2019 14:39
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sebmojo posted:that would have been incredible Should I drop the show at 04e19 then?
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Oct 26, 2019 14:40
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TraderStav posted:Should I drop the show at 04e19 then? No no no no. No.
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Oct 26, 2019 14:43
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TraderStav posted:Should I drop the show at 04e19 then? Maybe for a day? (no. god no.) edit: On a personal note, dangit, I just realized I forgot to check for commentary tracks through my S1 rewatch. Vavrek fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 14:43
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SlothfulCobra posted:
And Newtonian physics on the starfuries. My favorite bit is form S2E22 (Fall of night) when they fight the Centauri warship and some furies cut their engines, turn, and keep drive-by shooting the ship. Senn here at 3:36: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GhW1dFDVs
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Oct 26, 2019 15:31
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RedSnapper posted:And Newtonian physics on the starfuries. My favorite bit is form S2E22 (Fall of night) when they fight the Centauri warship and some furies cut their engines, turn, and keep drive-by shooting the ship. It's entertaining how he specifically calls for a TOT strike but no one either advised the cgi team or explained what the term was.
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Oct 26, 2019 15:57
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TraderStav posted:This episode with the ISN special on Babylon 5 is really infuriating! I never liked that one because it's one of those "idiot ball" stories where the plot only works because everyone acts unrealistically stupid. There's no reason for them to trust that guy and every reason to think he's lying but they go ahead. RedSnapper posted:And Newtonian physics on the starfuries. My favorite bit is form S2E22 (Fall of night) when they fight the Centauri warship and some furies cut their engines, turn, and keep drive-by shooting the ship. Also the Starfuries don't use engines to launch from the station, they just release their docking clamps and the rotation throws them out.
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Oct 26, 2019 16:11
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RedSnapper posted:And Newtonian physics on the starfuries. My favorite bit is form S2E22 (Fall of night) when they fight the Centauri warship and some furies cut their engines, turn, and keep drive-by shooting the ship. This is probably one of my favourite scenes in the series. I really like how tense it is, and then it swiftly escalates into "oh this is bad", and caps off with "oh poo poo".
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Oct 26, 2019 16:37
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The weird part about that fight scene is that one of B5's spires gets snapped off, and you'd think that'd be important but it never comes up.TraderStav posted:I hadn't thought about the reason why Trek doesn't have more of that is because they're models versus CGI. I can understand why as that is a lot of work! There's a behind the scenes clip of the making of Empire Strikes Back where they're setting up a scene where a snowspeeder gets shot and explodes, and it's so tense because it's a model packed with explosives sliding along a track, and they really needed to have the timing and camera focus right because if they messed it up, it'd take weeks to set up again. It's really cool to take apart scenes in your head to figure out how they were made. You can do it with CGI too, you just need to shift your mindset. The book of G'Quon must've been a real interesting prop to make.
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Oct 26, 2019 19:17
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SlothfulCobra posted:The weird part about that fight scene is that one of B5's spires gets snapped off, and you'd think that'd be important but it never comes up. They do show it getting repaired later. Also as far as realism, and such JMS claims they had a sign up at JPL or NASA or something that said "Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 Problem." Man, I wish there was photographic evidence of that. 
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Oct 26, 2019 19:26
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SlothfulCobra posted:The weird part about that fight scene is that one of B5's spires gets snapped off, and you'd think that'd be important but it never comes up. If I remember right it’s a cargo handling crane or something else that’s visually distinctive but fairly easy to replace.
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Oct 26, 2019 19:58
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TraderStav posted:Should I drop the show at 04e19 then? Hell loving no watch it all. You'll just see what we mean about a season ending when you get to that episode.
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Oct 26, 2019 21:36
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JMS making S4/S5 work out narratively was probably a bigger feat than recovering from O’Hare’s exit.
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Oct 26, 2019 22:10
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RedSnapper posted:And Newtonian physics on the starfuries. My favorite bit is form S2E22 (Fall of night) when they fight the Centauri warship and some furies cut their engines, turn, and keep drive-by shooting the ship. Two things I've always found notable about this scene are 1. That the biggest, nastiest Centauri warship we see during the course of the show gets its poo poo wrecked by a human diplomatic station and half a squadron of Starfuries and 2. Despite that, I'm pretty sure that's by far the fastest we ever see B5's interceptor grid get overwhelmed. Even though the Centauri Republic's not what it once was, their ships still carry a lot of firepower. Also, Sheridan's speech to the mirror a bit later in the episode might be one of my favorite Sheridan moments ever because you know that that's what he was going to actually say.
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Oct 28, 2019 12:40
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Polaron posted:Two things I've always found notable about this scene are This was after B5 got its major defensive upgrade, so it was now touting firepower and armor quite capable of fending off warships.
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Oct 28, 2019 12:56
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At least one other mitigating factor is that the Centauri warship was splitting its fire between the station and the Narn cruiser. I also can't help but wonder if the Centauri warship was pulling its punches a bit on B5 and hoping Sheridan would back down, either not knowing the station got upgraded or not expecting it to open up. Also do keep in mind that Sheridan still thinks the Centauri would severely outclass Earth Alliance in a shooting war.
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Oct 28, 2019 17:36
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Mars Racing (first half of episode) This beef between Sheridan and Gariabialdi is either being poorly done or is a show the two of them cooked up for some external purpose. Maybe to ingratiate Gariabialdi into some criminal element and infiltrate them. If it's real, it's dumb and unnecessary
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Oct 30, 2019 02:48
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TraderStav posted:Mars Racing (first half of episode) Understanding is a three edged sword.
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Oct 30, 2019 02:54
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Vavrek posted:Understanding is a three edged sword. Sounds like something a Vorlon would say!
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Oct 30, 2019 03:23
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I always wanted to get one of the Kosh action figures, seal it up, and put the ink, polyhedron, and clear window from the popular fortune telling toy in it. You can’t tell me Magic 8 Kosh wouldn’t have flown off the shelves.
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Oct 30, 2019 03:25
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