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"An anarchist called me a bad name online for having lovely opinions so unfortunately I must vote for the fascists. I do this with the deepest regret and another tax break. "
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Tarnop posted:People were mean to me on the internet, so it is with a heavy heart that I vote for more austerity death. One of them is lying, but it's good that a change in the acceptability and usefulness of austerity policies has hit home.
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Oct 25, 2019 12:46
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That's on-par with the gerry adams 'set a timer' burn 
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Oct 25, 2019 12:46
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I do wonder how it'll work with both parties promising to spend a bunch of money. Does it make labour sound less radical and thus less appealing, or does it make the tories sound less credible?
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Oct 25, 2019 12:48
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Bobby Deluxe posted:^^^ Wait until the EU give us an extension. The absolute worst thing for Labour would be to call a VONC, enter an election, and then the EU refuse to extend, meaning we crash out and the Conservatives and Libs get to run an election campaign about how it's all Labour's fault. Okay but that's not what is happening right now. The Tories are pushing for an election based on progressing their deal, the EU are waiting on knowing if an election is taking place before setting a date. The offer for extension has been made, much of the earlier panic is no longer relevant. What the EU need and Labour should be providing is the date of the election. Bobby Deluxe posted:Brief reminder that if Swinson had backed Corbyn's unity government, this could have been over a month or two ago, so stop pretending that it's Labour playing silly buggers. Yeah in retrospect it's a bugger but no one really thought there would be a new deal so delay then was understandable from the left.
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Oct 25, 2019 12:49
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OwlFancier posted:I do wonder how it'll work with both parties promising to spend a bunch of money. The spin is that Tories dont like spending money so this promise must be making some 'hard choices' and thus the better party for government.
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Oct 25, 2019 12:50
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Jesus christ stop talking down to an admin. I honestly do not have any problem with people talking down to me. Just because I have admin privileges does not mean I want people to be afraid of calling me out. It is a vital part of how I have modded. I will never probate/ban for mod sass against me. Morningwoodpecker posted:Maybe this is why labour are struggling to get people from outside their insular factions on board, I'm certainly more anti-labour than I was before being called all the cunts under the sun for floating in here looking for a political glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. This is one of the most ridiculous things you have said and also you seem to have completely missed the point I was making. I am not sure how else I can respond if your answer to people telling you that your statements are wrong is to become more right wing.
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Oct 25, 2019 12:52
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Sanford posted:On a similar subject I had a right loving row with a director last week because he wanted to mark down an applicant because the suit he wore to the interview was "shabby". Poor guy's been unemployed for ten months, give him the job and he'll be able to buy a new loving suit if you think it's that important. We don't even have a dress code. loving ridiculous.  Go you! Both for this and your previous post about the oval office in a suit who loves suits  Accessibility is incredibly important and is still not given enough consideration or discussed enough. Thank you for being on the sharp end of changing that  You should suggest to the director that if he wants the new hire to buy a nicer suit he should advance them their first paycheque  Or maybe don't do that because directors are petty cunts and this one would likely resent both you and the new hire for that and cause trouble down the line. Isn't it great being ruled by idiot babies who throw a tantrum whenever someone doesn't kiss their arse? I myself have ADHD and autism (also depression from receiving no support for either for 32 years). I was diagnosed a year ago and it has enormously helped improve my life and my understanding of myself. But the reason I mention it here is that I basically discovered that I'm disabled at the end of last year (wow that explains a lot!  ) and have had to come to terms with that and how ignored the issue is by society at large. I mean yeah, "not enough" is better than the previous standard of "not at all", but the only reason people think they're hearing too much about it is because they're actually hearing loads of reactionary arseholes complaining about hearing too much about it and strawmanning the positions. Much like feminism. And leftism. And ableism, racism, conservation, income inequality, veganism, anti-bullying efforts...Basically any attempt to change society for the better, promote equality or even just to do something better on a personal level is constantly derided by conservatives and liberals, and society and the media are structured around that being the default. Hmm I wonder why that is 
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Oct 25, 2019 13:02
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VideoGames posted:I honestly do not have any problem with people talking down to me. Just because I have admin privileges does not mean I want people to be afraid of calling me out. It is a vital part of how I have modded. I will never probate/ban for mod sass against me. You'll never be General Secretary of the party with an attitude like that
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Oct 25, 2019 13:12
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OwlFancier posted:I do wonder how it'll work with both parties promising to spend a bunch of money. Hopefully they fall into the centrism trap. Why vote for Socialism-Lite when you can get full Corbynism?
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Oct 25, 2019 13:13
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CoolCab posted:incidentally, i don't think a comparison to pissflaps is valid, pissflaps earned his ousting but at very least he was funny. This is worse than the George W Bush revisionism.
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Oct 25, 2019 13:15
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I was going to vote for free health care and a good minimum wage but then a socialist called me a poop, alasVideoGames posted:I honestly do not have any problem with people talking down to me. Just because I have admin privileges does not mean I want people to be afraid of calling me out. It is a vital part of how I have modded. I will never probate/ban for mod sass against me. Check out this dingus
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Oct 25, 2019 13:16
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:You'll never be General Secretary of the party with an attitude like that  sebzilla posted:Hopefully they fall into the centrism trap. Why vote for Socialism-Lite when you can get full Corbynism?
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Oct 25, 2019 13:19
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Noxville posted:This is worse than the George W Bush revisionism. I was a pissflaps apologist at the time, what can I say. in my heart of hearts I’m a wind up merchant, and it’s impossible not to appreciate a master at work.
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Oct 25, 2019 13:21
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Morningwoodpecker posted:UK politics have been paralysed by Brexit and infighting in both the government and opposition for years, so the political issues causing that and resulting from it are going to be a constantly recurring theme in any political discussion. Its far more important than who tweeted what this morning. Objecting to people mentioning things we all know are true and are having a massive current derogatory effect on the whole of the UK again isn't a very convincing argument. Do you not understand why Labour are better? I.E. Their policies would help people and make the country a better place, definitely compared to the tories, tories and other tories parties. But you seem to understand this, you also seem to understand that the conflict in Labour is between the right and the left and correctly identify the right as the worthless blairites and wrong direction. So when you threaten to withhold your vote for... No reason? Because people were mean to you? It makes you seem petulant and unserious, so people don't respond to you kindly. Cause honestly recognising the issues then going "but Corbyn is unelectable therefore I won't vote for him, I'll draw a dick on the ballot" is intellectually incoherent and morally cowardly. People die because of this tory bullshit and you won't put an X in a box for....? Why? Are we meant to be impressed by this?
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Oct 25, 2019 13:23
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Rarity posted:Check out this dingus Ahem, the term is Biggest Dingus.  JeremoudCorbynejad posted:You'll never be General Secretary of the party with an attitude like that And phew! I would not do the position justice. Just happy to be a supporter!!
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Oct 25, 2019 13:24
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CoolCab posted:incidentally, i don't think a comparison to pissflaps is valid, pissflaps earned his ousting but at very least he was funny. jesus christ how comedy-starved does your life have to be before you start finding someone posting “brutal” and “anyone else” in strict rotation funny if I ever end up in that position I’m calling Dignitas sharpish
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Oct 25, 2019 13:41
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Communist Thoughts posted:So when you threaten to withhold your vote for... No reason? Because people were mean to you? It makes you seem petulant and unserious, so people don't respond to you kindly. Everyone finds it hard to accept when they are wrong and change, particularly in "public" and particularly when issues cut as deep into their identity as something like politics. They also often need to be heard first, like how therapy and AA works for some. I think this thread is hard to access for non-lefties or those just starting out because we usually talk about what we don't like rather than what we do, and we do it in a detailed way when those arriving often haven't gone beyond first principles. Not that we will likely change the world completely from our narrow corner of the internet, but if we want to help more people change we should talk more about what we're for and less about the fact we hate what they believe in at present. We might even learn a thing or two. That said they can help themselves by not being loving "I think you'll find...  "
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Oct 25, 2019 13:41
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They signed their own thread death warrant when they posted:Morningwoodpecker posted:I think more traditional Labour values would be a great thing, however Corbyn's unelectable so its a total waste of time and effort. "well I would vote for great things if only they were more sensible"
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Oct 25, 2019 13:43
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VideoGames posted:
The people who want to be in charge are always too poo poo to actually be charge, I therefore nominate VideoGames for General Secretary, PM, and new lowtax. All hail VideoGames!
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Oct 25, 2019 13:43
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Julio Cruz posted:jesus christ how comedy-starved does your life have to be before you start finding someone posting “brutal” and “anyone else” in strict rotation funny brutal
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Oct 25, 2019 13:44
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I think the 'easy mode available to all' policy needs to be applied to all walks of British life.
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Oct 25, 2019 13:45
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 Episode 10 - Tangible Schadenfreude We recorded this last night and then the EU did the one thing we didn't predict they would do while I was in the process of loving editing this, so enjoy an outdated and probably incorrect anyway middle half hour I guess 
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Steve2911 posted:I think the 'easy mode available to all' policy needs to be applied to all walks of British life. "You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference." - Conservative party policy on disability benefits, December 2019 election manifesto
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Oct 25, 2019 13:54
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VideoGames posted:I am not sure how else I can respond if your answer to people telling you that your statements are wrong is to become more right wing. there kind of is a difference between telling someone their statements are wrong and calling In orbital bombardment to wipe out all life in the continent they posted from. Only one of these is Praxis. If you are unsure if a village is loyal, bomb it; their loyalty will then become clear. If someone asks a question, call them a oval office,; hatred and hostility of outsiders is the basis of all stable communities.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:
But on the bright side we found out who James Prime is!
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radmonger posted:there kind of is a difference between telling someone their statements are wrong and calling In orbital bombardment to wipe out all life in the continent they posted from. Only one of these is Praxis. Counterpoint: gently caress off, idiot
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radmonger posted:there kind of is a difference between telling someone their statements are wrong and calling In orbital bombardment to wipe out all life in the continent they posted from. Only one of these is Praxis. They weren't called a oval office for asking a question - it was because he said he understands all the issues and still won't vote Labour because Corbyn is unelectable which is real loving dumb.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:UK politics have been paralysed by Brexit and infighting in both the government and opposition for years, so the political issues causing that and resulting from it are going to be a constantly recurring theme in any political discussion. Its far more important than who tweeted what this morning. Objecting to people mentioning things we all know are true and are having a massive current derogatory effect on the whole of the UK again isn't a very convincing argument. This reminds me of the guy I argue with at work about Brexit. He considers himself Left (he isn't), but is generally a nice guy and pretty much the only person I've ever heard him speak ill of is Jeremy Corbyn. This poster and my friend both know the Tories are bad, both know they caused this whole mess and continue to gently caress around but seem to direct all their anger at Corbyn, who isn't perfect sure, but is in a difficult situation and has mostly done alright at mitigating the worst possible outcomes where he can. Is this just what happens when you make more than 50k a year and read the Guardian?
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VideoGames posted:I honestly do not have any problem with people talking down to me. Just because I have admin privileges does not mean I want people to be afraid of calling me out. It is a vital part of how I have modded. I will never probate/ban for mod sass against me. I'm genuinely not trying to sass you or talk down to you, its just once the thread goes with "grr pissflaps is a pooface" I'm struggling to take any of this remotely seriously. If I was trying for sass and meltdowns I'd be going with peoples front of Judea gags. Which at a guess pissflaps probably already did. VideoGames posted:This is one of the most ridiculous things you have said and also you seem to have completely missed the point I was making. I am not sure how else I can respond if your answer to people telling you that your statements are wrong is to become more right wing. The fact that you think it means I'd ever turn right just shows the issue here lies in your incorrect assumptions about me based on your tribal outlook. I'd suggest you try an approach involving persuading me of or even explaining your viewpoint but that's not realistically gonna happen is it ?. So I'll toddle off. Footballification of politics.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:
We all float down here, oval office. *JeremyCorbyn_Pennywise.PNG
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Sanford posted:I had a big drive yesterday and noticed that the motorway signs that did say "From November 1st, papers needed to travel to the EU may change. Be prepared and check at [gov.uk url]" now say I had a bad moment when I saw the M20 signs had changed on Tuesday night.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:13
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Morningwoodpecker posted:I'm genuinely not trying to sass you or talk down to you, its just once the thread goes with "grr pissflaps is a pooface" I'm struggling to take any of this remotely seriously. I never presumed you were, just wanted to make it clear for anyone reading. Morningwoodpecker posted:The fact that you think it means I'd ever turn right just shows the issue here lies in your incorrect assumptions about me based on your tribal outlook. I'd suggest you try an approach involving persuading me of or even explaining your viewpoint but that's not realistically gonna happen is it ?. You implied you would not be voting Labour due to the meanness. That leaves it with either Tories or Lib Dems. Both right wing parties.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:14
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That's literally the same justifications as 'the mean leftists forced me to become a Nazi'.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:18
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Man, I was just about to vote for the emancipation of mankind but an Internet thread was mean to me so I'm off to vote for full fascism forever
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I think he was gonna spoil his ballot actually. He would love for Corbyn to be PM but he's just not going to get the votes, so morningwoodpecker will solve this conundrum, this dastardly riddle, by depriving labour of one more vote
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VideoGames posted:You implied you would not be voting Labour due to the meanness. That leaves it with either Tories or Lib Dems. Both right wing parties.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:The fact that you think it means I'd ever turn right just shows the issue here lies in your incorrect assumptions about me based on your tribal outlook. I'd suggest you try an approach involving persuading me of or even explaining your viewpoint but that's not realistically gonna happen is it ?. Hi I'm just going to cannonball into this long term thread on a dead comedy forum known for trolling and drop a truth bomb on you: Corbyn is unelectable. No I have no arguments to back this point up with, just a thin veneer of self righteousness as I engage with people who are burnt out from dealing with this exact same post from a different media suckling cretin every single month. Oh no people are being mean to me. Guess I'd better smugly spoil my ballot. THAT will show the entrenched political concensus how deep and thoughtful I am. Hope is a lie, better things aren't possible, by opting out of this corrupt system I am not directly responsible for continued austerity driven turbo loving. E: We engage anyway, because hatred is a soothing balm for the aoul RockyB fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Oct 25, 2019 |
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Oct 25, 2019 14:27
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Good to know that Morningwoodpecker lives a comfortable enough life that it doesn't matter to them whether they vote or not.
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Carborundum posted:Is this just what happens when you make more than 50k a year and read the Guardian? Pretty much. The liberal middle classes are always deeply concerned about losing what 'little' they have gained. Therefore they are actually not keen on upsetting the current order of society, because it is currently working out for them personally, yet unlike the genuine upper classes they are aware of the abyss they could easily fall into if things go wrong. Therefore as a whole they are equally concerned about Brexit, as they are about Corbyn making even positive changes to the institutions of power in this country - they are both threatening changes to the current order, which has 'rightfully' positioned them above the median. This is why they can simultaneously agree that things are bad, agree that things ~ should ~ be fixed , but dismiss any actual attempt to fix them. Hence the crowd opining that : ideally everything should be like the pre-crash noughties again, when everything was 'sensible'. This is why the "unelectable" or "antisemitism" arguments work for them, because regardless of available evidence (or even what they personally believe) it provides the excuse they need to not take action. It is the salve that prevents them confronting that cognitive dissonance - they know things are bad and getting worse, but they personally are doing good(ish), so they don't actually want to change things, even though they say they do. Yet at the same time - if you want to generate real political change: upset these very same middle-classes. It looks like another economic downturn is on the horizon and in that environment, their fear of change evaporates as their income does - and they quickly become the most strident radicals - because suddenly they are happy to rearrange society, so as to regain what they have 'lost'.
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