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Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Devils Affricate posted:

What's the matter bro, not good enough?

I have no idea. Last time I played a Doom game was in 1998.

olives black posted:

Looks like that article might be lies

One can hope. It would be a great tragedy for the hobby and industry otherwise.

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revwinnebago
Oct 4, 2017

Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

That's ok with me. AAA games tunnel-visioning whales and garroting standards to chase a few extra bucks means the burgeoning indie and AA scene has no competition.

Besides, TES hasn't been good since morrowind

In a certain sense sure, just like anyone dumb enough to play russian roulette in a basement somewhere deserves to die.

But this is the target audience for Fortnite loot boxes, mobile games, etc.



(I have 0 context for where this image came from it's just Literally Tobacco.)

Bofast posted:

So, replacing lower difficulty levels with DLC? :negative:
I have no idea. Last time I played a Doom game was in 1998.

Doom 2016 is a really good game. I don't think it's as good as people say, like I think there's a massive tonal problem trying to have exploration and MURDERKILLARENAS in the same game but Doom 2016 and Wolfenstein: New Order are overall super worth playing for people who left the genre during the dark days of COD.

Slim Pickens
Jan 12, 2007

Grimey Drawer
It's pretty minimal exploration, though. Like about as much as the secret areas in the original doom games.

Story is also optional. You can read about the insane experiments Olivia Pierce was doing or you can punch that monitor and get to ripping and tearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZGU_JdQAow

TontoCorazon
Aug 18, 2007


revwinnebago posted:


Doom 2016 is a really good game. I don't think it's as good as people say, like I think there's a massive tonal problem trying to have exploration and MURDERKILLARENAS in the same game but Doom 2016 and Wolfenstein: New Order are overall super worth playing for people who left the genre during the dark days of COD.

Wolfenstein is in at least my top ten games of the past ten years. The writing and performances were surprisingly amazing and the combat was really solid.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

revwinnebago posted:

Doom 2016 is a really good game. I don't think it's as good as people say, like I think there's a massive tonal problem trying to have exploration and MURDERKILLARENAS in the same game but Doom 2016 and Wolfenstein: New Order are overall super worth playing for people who left the genre during the dark days of COD.
I did play Wolfenstein: New Order for about 6 hours and really liked going the stealth route with throwing knives, but I stopped after the game interrupted the stealth gameplay with yet another set piece of forced detection for the 3rd time or so. Bit conflicted about the whole thing after that.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









TontoCorazon posted:

Wolfenstein is in at least my top ten games of the past ten years. The writing and performances were surprisingly amazing and the combat was really solid.

it had the best videogame fuckin' in it too

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Considering what Bethesda just announced with Fallout 76 that rumor about Doom Eternal may not be wrong

revwinnebago
Oct 4, 2017

FlamingLiberal posted:

Considering what Bethesda just announced with Fallout 76 that rumor about Doom Eternal may not be wrong

My predictions about the upcoming crisis continue to be true. The talking heads aren't getting it so they're reacting like these companies are just totally insane.

I guaran-drat-tee that if we could get our hands on the actual store numbers, the monetization in Anthem and Fallout 76 are doing just fine. Not as well as hoped, but enough to bother taking these PR hits.

The only difference with Mars Cities N is that we have at least a first approximation of how much cash they're swindling.

Bofast posted:

I did play Wolfenstein: New Order for about 6 hours and really liked going the stealth route with throwing knives, but I stopped after the game interrupted the stealth gameplay with yet another set piece of forced detection for the 3rd time or so. Bit conflicted about the whole thing after that.

The game needs to warn you about that crap. Like I hate when RPGs don't make it clear that it's scripted so you have to lose a battle even when it's clear you power-leveled enough that you could totally win. BUT the set pieces are rad as hell and worth it. Except the final boss fight is the worst thing ever. BUT the actual end left me totally satisfied anyway.

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....


autism ZX spectrum posted:

I don't know if any of these people have actually had any real fun in their lives. I don't know what kind of broke brain ends up with their supreme ultimate videogame fantasy being a bunch of boring poo poo where nothing of interest ever happens. I bet you these goobers play games with all the cheats on so that there's no challenge in them, just victory after flawless victory.

They are trying to get something you cannot and should not get from video games.

The sperglord who imagined himself as a moderately successful middle manager/ship captain probably thought the game would finally give him respect. A bunch of failed astronauts think it will let them live their dream. People who suffocated their dreams with a pillow long ago think they will find peace digitally cosplaying as Malcolm Reynolds or Boba Fett as long as the simulation has enough fidelity so they can finally fool themselves. Of course they hate fun and basic pleasure. That kind of thing can lead to self-reflection and I doubt that goes well.

Kind of sad but mostly self-inflicted so even more mockable.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

revwinnebago posted:

The game needs to warn you about that crap. Like I hate when RPGs don't make it clear that it's scripted so you have to lose a battle even when it's clear you power-leveled enough that you could totally win. BUT the set pieces are rad as hell and worth it. Except the final boss fight is the worst thing ever. BUT the actual end left me totally satisfied anyway.
I take it you're referring to things like certain Dragon Quest fights that are just there to lose so the devs can force you to experience the story?
I thought it was pretty obvious that they were scripted moments in Wolfenstein and the robot dog one was a hilarious scare moment when it first happened. I just don't think the game should present you with an entire stealth playstyle (or some other playstyle) when it's clearly not designed for it.
Wind Waker interrupting its normal gameplay by pulling the whole insta-fail no-sword castle stealth section out of nowhere was just as bad.

revwinnebago
Oct 4, 2017

Bofast posted:

I take it you're referring to things like certain Dragon Quest fights that are just there to lose so the devs can force you to experience the story?
I thought it was pretty obvious that they were scripted moments in Wolfenstein and the robot dog one was a hilarious scare moment when it first happened. I just don't think the game should present you with an entire stealth playstyle (or some other playstyle) when it's clearly not designed for it.
Wind Waker interrupting its normal gameplay by pulling the whole insta-fail no-sword castle stealth section out of nowhere was just as bad.

I don't actually remember specific gameplay moments. But that's a good characterization, yes. They built a whole stealth engine into the game which is rad as hell, but the game just assumes everyone will drop the stealth act at the first possibly opportunity when it's actually the reverse. I was trying to NOT be shooty all the time. Which is a little different from the RPG "you're supposed to lose in this early boss battle" crap.

Almost like how it's a really terrible idea for Star Citizen to keep throwing out all these new ideas for gameplay modes when they're not going to be integrated into the overall game. Elite has a similar problem with the SRV / planet exploration mode for instance. Aside from it being vaguely cool to land on a planet once in a while, they're having to write in justifications to ever use the lander, because otherwise why wouldn't you just rain down hot death on the enemy base from orbit?

When you create these mechanics, you also create the need to justify them in-game. I'll bet large sums of JPEG money that the stupid mining and garbage truck ships in SC will be the only way to get important resources for ship upgrades or some bullshit.

Xenocides posted:

They are trying to get something you cannot and should not get from video games.

Kind of sad but mostly self-inflicted so even more mockable.

Absolutely there are a lot of people approaching these games in a brokebrain way, agreed.

However - the industry as a whole is doing some really despicable things to get people into that mode. I was just talking to my wife about how she realized at one point she was about to buy a $20 pack for Candy Crush when she would have only spent like $3.99 on it new.

It's some of both. Some of these people are just sad, lonely people in a funny way. Some of them are sad, lonely people like oh no they actually have mental problems and these game companies are intentionally abusing them. Like you know a lot of these companies are looking at their $50,000+ spenders, and they know the mail room keeps getting hair and pictures of employees with the eyes scratched from those same people, and they absolutely know something is hosed up.

...so they release a $100 battle pass.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
https://twitter.com/Lukas_Genever/status/1186640142200725504
https://twitter.com/Lukas_Genever/status/1187388510963150849

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.
"It's all in the detail..."


Isn't it "details"? Is this some meta thing showing off their incompetence?

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006


Not even making 'Zero-G Coffee Maker' instructions, just normal sperg-level detail ones, smh

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


It shows you why Shart Citzen is taking so long to officially release.. it's because every single employee is trying to follow those rules and failing miserably.. after an hour at the coffee station burning their hands and getting their pants wet, they eventually give up and walk 15 minutes to the nearest Starbucks and say 'Put it on Chris's tab' then dejectedly return to their desk to play with a mo-cap of Gary Oldman picking his teeth.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
52 step process

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

...wait, that’s real? If you’d told me it was from an unaired episode of Red Dwarf in which Rimmer declares himself Chief Coffee Officer, I’d probably have bought it

like, even the font screams classic smeghead

pnumoman
Sep 26, 2008

I never get the last word, and it makes me very sad.
I read those coffee instructions expecting some spergy poo poo, but like everything else about Starcitizen, it's just extremely basic poo poo explained with way too many words to make it seem like much more than it actually is.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
****fidelity****

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
*patronizes and micro manages the gently caress out of the minimum wage coffee staff*

It's all about the details :smuggo:

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Coffee? At a workplace? For free? Incredible! Please tell me about your other extremely basic amenities.

Fancy taking a poo poo?

We've got to let the dev team unload.

Did I mention the toilets are free?

(If you want to take huge dumps at work, message me about positions, here's a link to them)

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

SatansOnion posted:

...wait, that’s real? If you’d told me it was from an unaired episode of Red Dwarf in which Rimmer declares himself Chief Coffee Officer, I’d probably have bought it

like, even the font screams classic smeghead

lmao your characterization of Rimmer is pitch perfect, thanks for reminding me of Red Dwarf. I was actually way too young for the show I think but I ended up picking up some of their novelizations which are downright genius

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....


Play posted:

lmao your characterization of Rimmer is pitch perfect, thanks for reminding me of Red Dwarf. I was actually way too young for the show I think but I ended up picking up some of their novelizations which are downright genius

An inside look at CiG with Chris Roberts pointing out someone failing as basic coffee making:

“We have coffee protocols for a reason - to safeguard the team. I noticed you missed a few steps.”

“What team? The original team? They all quit when you demanded they retool the atmospheric system to more accurately measure the level of Argon and stray neutrinos and then spilled coffee on the last few months of retooling.”

“Which is why the whole health and safety protocol procedure has been updated. Because, ultimately, who was truly to blame for that accident? The man or the system?”

“The man.”

“Was it the man, though?”

“It was, yes.”

“Or was it the system?”

“It was the man, definitely the man.”

“A system that allowed a CEO to handle coffee without adequate training or know-how and in a world that lacks the fidelity the Verse will have. A system that has since been completely overhauled by an engineer I pulled from working on the velocity engine, so that an accident of that nature never happens again. Incidentally I also need coffee spills added to the Verse; time for a janitor class.”

“So what you're saying is, you learned valuable safety lessons from destroying months of work yet again and, as a result, you've updated the safety regulations and added a pointless and tedious task to the game that no one will want to do and made this office a much safer working environment for the team you drove out.”

“Scoff away, but the point is we have new regulations, which means that you're going to have to start all over making that coffee. Also, that pixel there should be slightly more blue.’

Turning back as he walks away:

“Oh, and I have decided to add the option to play as a space dragon. Make sure the dragon flame is influenced by neutrinos and Argon with complete fidelity. Need a dragon jpeg by 5 so we can sell this over the weekend so I can get a new yacht. Let me know when it is ready. I will be in my wankpod.”

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


General Bullshit > Re: STARCITIZEN: I will be in my wankpod

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Geisladisk posted:

Coffee? At a workplace? For free? Incredible! Please tell me about your other extremely basic amenities.

Fancy taking a poo poo?

We've got to let the dev team unload.

Did I mention the toilets are free?

(If you want to take huge dumps at work, message me about positions, here's a link to them)

What are the 34 steps to taking a poo poo tho

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
1) squat
2) poo poo
3) remove star citizen from pants

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
*accidentally vents turds all over the hyperlane*

*every time a ship intersects the area the server crashes trying to calculate c-fractional crap dynamics*

throw to first DAMN IT
Apr 10, 2007
This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
So you and your friends can perpetually post and collect bounties on one another and share the profits?

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Play posted:

lmao your characterization of Rimmer is pitch perfect, thanks for reminding me of Red Dwarf. I was actually way too young for the show I think but I ended up picking up some of their novelizations which are downright genius

The audio versions of those books are read by Chris Barrie and are really great. He does a surprisingly good job at reading Lister's lines.

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
Women and menus am i right fellas

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person


Are...are they implementing the sexual assault mechanic?

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
Oh poo poo that's it isn't it :stare:

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

The menus aren't blocked by the male characters gigantic guts, I'm looking for parity here

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
That one guy can't use the ingame menus because his cpap machine space respirator is in the way

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

There Bias Two posted:

Are...are they implementing the sexual assault mechanic?

Wonder if you can share the sexual assault mission with the victim

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


LENIN.
STILL.
WON'T.
FUCK.
ME.
just stoppin in again to remind everyone that Wing Commander Privateer is good, runs on p much any hunk of junk and is only $6 on GOG

Bofast posted:

One can hope. It would be a great tragedy for the hobby and industry otherwise.

yeah :(

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
doom 2016 is civilization

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe

olives black posted:

just stoppin in again to remind everyone that Wing Commander Privateer is good, runs on p much any hunk of junk and is only $6 on GOG


yeah :(

Granted the game is like 30 years old, but it looks and sounds like poo poo. There hardly even seems to be a way to pretend I'm being raped by space pirates. 0/10 would not recommend.

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PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood

Bofast posted:

Didn't that end up being a real mess with some creepy character once they got out of the game? Sounds like a fitting Star Citizen comparison.

S2 of the first series had some serious "creepy sister crushing on brother" fanservice. it's terrible. the series is stupid and terrible. the fanbase are stupid terrible idiots. i am a top fan on SEVEN social media meme pages.

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