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crispix posted:Those "get ready for Brexit!!!!!" TV and radio ads have gone a long way towards building up the expectations of idiots regarding 31st of October Seen one today
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Dead Goon posted:Get ready for Brexit, because we sure as gently caress aren't
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I do hope that the EU doesn't do anything foolish. I mean if it'll gently caress us up it'll also be a net negative in the long term for the bureaucracy.
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crispix posted:I miss her clown show now tbh. She was just so comically awful at everything. one of today's Times headlines is "Grumpy May was terrible campaigner" scoop of the loving year
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crispix posted:Only use I can think of for it is to dip it in soup, but I've never been one for having soup and a sandwich together. Stuffing, or in something like meatloaf for the carnivorous types. Or let it dry out and you can use it to bread and fry stuff.
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crispix posted:Those "get ready for Brexit!!!!!" TV and radio ads have gone a long way towards building up the expectations of idiots regarding 31st of October The motorway signs are the worst. EU FREIGHT PAPERS MAY CHANGE 1 NOV PLEASE CHECK.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Up another 30cm since I last posted! At least the rain has stopped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLJvLIfRMpg
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jaete posted:It just looks like the EU is being annoyingly difficult for no good reason. They could just offer a three-month extension as requested and be done with it. Is it not just Macron that's being difficult because he's a oval office? Side note: remember when all the melts were lining up to praise Macron as the future of democracy? Funny how that was quietly dropped
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Thought the thread could use some cheering up so here's a big thread of pre 2017 election takes from the dumbest cunts https://twitter.com/schmrn/status/1004005197872599040
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Julio Cruz posted:one of today's Times headlines is "Grumpy May was terrible campaigner" Guardian headline is: "Former PM inflexible, introverted and surly, biography claims", which perhaps the most unnecessary use of the word 'claims' that I've ever seen.
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Random Integer posted:Side note: remember when all the melts were lining up to praise Macron as the future of democracy? Funny how that was quietly dropped Pretty sure the melts are still trying to find people to big up as Britain's Macron, as though that's something anyone wants to vote for.
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jaete posted:Hm, I'm not sure what you mean about brinkmanship being a big boost. Has Labour decided what they're doing about Johnson's latest election request then? All the media are screaming at them for being indecisive; of course most of that is the media being total poo poo, but meh. a) would never get anything passed by his own MPs related to the EU, since a lot of them don't actually want to leave the EU and plenty would love to gently caress him over if he somehow won a general election and b) has openly stated he wants to waste more of the EU's time 'renegotiating' before not being able to get anything passed As such they have no reason whatsoever to help Labour, who aren't in power at the moment and don't seem very likely to gain it any time soon when it means more problems for the EU compared to getting the first stages of brexit firmly over.
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thespaceinvader posted:The motorway signs are the worst. THERE ARE 5 DAYS LEFT TO PREPARE FOR BREXIT IF DIABETIC, REPENT SINS
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Halisnacks posted:Given that May was such a terrible campaigner, perhaps even worse than anyone could have imagined prior to the campaign, isn’t that a point of concern for Labour going into an election where she isn’t the Tory leader? Is Boris any better at campaigning?
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Popped into the services on the way up to Widnes and there's what looked like a very bored young temp sat behind a little table with the get ready for brexit poster behind them and a load of leaflets. No idea how long they've been there or if they're going to get pulled out now or what
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Gonzo McFee posted:Thought the thread could use some cheering up so here's a big thread of pre 2017 election takes from the dumbest cunts Can we have some from jBrereton and radmonger?
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Venomous posted:Is Boris any better at campaigning? He'll just lie about stuff and the media won't call him out on it which is a type of campaigning I guess
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Venomous posted:Is Boris any better at campaigning? Probably?
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Venomous posted:Is Boris any better at campaigning? Yes but not much better. He's got much better presence but only in fairly controlled environments, interactions with the general public will be risky as it'll be hard to get any numbers together without hecklers setting him off.
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Venomous posted:Is Boris any better at campaigning?
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Venomous posted:Is Boris any better at campaigning? He did well in the Brexit campaign, and he generally knows how to play the media, but being the incumbent isn't going to go as well for him. He presents himself best as standing up for the little gammon against the powerful system, but that doesn't work so well when he's already in charge of the system. Certainly he hasn't managed to make any of his track record so far look good for him.
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Boris can only play to friendly audiences: he can't think on his feet or respond convincingly to hostility. In an election campaign, he'd be reduced to the same heavily curated out of town appearances that May was and we know how that one turned out.
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Tenebrais posted:He did well in the Brexit campaign, and he generally knows how to play the media, but being the incumbent isn't going to go as well for him. He presents himself best as standing up for the little gammon against the powerful system, but that doesn't work so well when he's already in charge of the system. Certainly he hasn't managed to make any of his track record so far look good for him. He has some of his own voters with his 'I will be there against the bulldozers' airport promise, then didn't do anything the day of the vote for it.
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Guavanaut posted:What's the dynamics on 'employing a cleaner'? Like in effect aren't we as consumers employing a bunch of people to do prep work, often in exploitative conditions, every time we buy food or clothes? Say you work from home and know you can make £20 an hour doing whatever you do. If you go do the dishes for an hour, your kitchen is clear but you have lost the opportunity to make £20. If you employ a cleaner, you can work instead, make £20, pay them £10, and you are still £10 up AND have a clean kitchen. Both you and the cleaner benefit from the exchange. Where it gets insulting is when you have various capitalist systems pushing people into situations where they are forced to accept inadequate compensation for work that's below their skill level. This is why the THEORY of labour offsetting is sound if you are on an upper-middle class income, and the overall cost / time ratio compensates everyone equitably. In practice however, as you note there are all kinds of issues such as agencies and greedy /exploitative practices which turn it into a lovely thing. This is also one of the main justifications behind microtransactions in games - instead of spending an hour grinding for materials to build a thing, you can work, earn £20 and spend £5 or £10 to just buy the materials you would have gained. Again, this is the theory, in practice there are a whole host of other lovely issues which turn it into predatory exploitation of people with willpower and addiction problems. There was a good video on Extra Credits about how microtransactions can be a good thing. They seem to be working very well for Warframe for example. But there are far too many examples of them being used in a lovely way.
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Just go robbing imo  The McDonalds workers story reminded me of an incident I will never forget. I worked weekends at a quite posh hotel and country club while I was still at school. The owners were in the restaurant one night having dinner with some friends of theirs. One lady in their company went to hand me £20 at the end of the night which was a nice thing to do because they'd sat in the place until nearly 2am and they were a pretty demanding bunch of people. The owner of the place wouldn't let her give it to me because "I'm loving paying him enough". I think I was on something like 3 or 4 quid an hour  One of those moments that sticks with you. crispix fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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HauntedRobot posted:Popped into the services on the way up to Widnes and there's what looked like a very bored young temp sat behind a little table with the get ready for brexit poster behind them and a load of leaflets. No idea how long they've been there or if they're going to get pulled out now or what there was one in the services near Taunton today too and she was just looking at her phone. felt like asking her if she thinks it's pointless but if she's getting paid to do nothing then good for her.
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HauntedRobot posted:Popped into the services on the way up to Widnes and there's what looked like a very bored young temp sat behind a little table with the get ready for brexit poster behind them and a load of leaflets. No idea how long they've been there or if they're going to get pulled out now or what Job for life
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Halisnacks posted:Given that May was such a terrible campaigner, perhaps even worse than anyone could have imagined prior to the campaign, isn’t that a point of concern for Labour going into an election where she isn’t the Tory leader? That's exactly why they're trying to rewrite history and blame May personally for tanking the Tory vote. Remember at the time she was most popular PM evar, the party had a big lead, and the Tories' own exit polling predicted a comfortable win for themselves. It was only after the surprise losses that they started going "oh uh... yeah we knew this would happen because May's campaign was so bad!!" Can't have anyone thinking that Labour ran a good campaign that really resonated with people, because they can do that again. Just pretend it was all May's fault but she's gone now, so everything's looking good for the Tories this election!!
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feedmegin posted:Can we have some from jBrereton and radmonger? You want MORE of their posts? Venomous posted:Is Boris any better at campaigning? May's biggest weakness is that she gave nothing to a press that wanted her to win. Just cut off all lines of communication to her biggest asset. Boris will do the opposite and flood the media with gaff after gently caress up but he'll be all anyone is talking about. https://twitter.com/no1guncle/status/1188156407222296576
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Don't think I've had this interaction yet. Looking forward to my next game where I play an incredibly strong, dumb, charismatic fascist though to experience the opposite play through
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crispix posted:Just go robbing imo That sucks. Used to work as a waiter for an Italian Restaurant in Shaftsbury Square in Belfast. Long ago closed. The owner would big up us to the customers, 'isnt he working hard' etc to them. To get them to tip us hard. Then the gently caress would keep the tips, and hand us a tenner each.
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The amounts there are a bit of a red herring. If everyone has £100 they're all about as well off as if everyone had £50, there's just more money around to buy the same good and services with. What makes you rich, or poor, is having relatively more or less money than everyone else, so those people were basically saying they'd like to be well off rather than the same as everyone else. Obviously that's not very socialist, but I think it's understandable given the capitalist propaganda and actual insecurity that pervade people's lives.
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Oh dear me posted:The amounts there are a bit of a red herring. If everyone has £100 they're all about as well off as if everyone had £50, there's just more money around to buy the same good and services with. What makes you rich, or poor, is having relatively more or less money than everyone else, so those people were basically saying they'd like to be well off rather than the same as everyone else. Obviously that's not very socialist, but I think it's understandable given the capitalist propaganda and actual insecurity that pervade people's lives. It's always explained in these experiments that the amount would have the same purchasing power (as in, it wouldn't be devalued by everyone having the same)
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Gonzo McFee posted:You want MORE of their posts? how... what? can someone read the article and explain for me please.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I guess pure economic theory would say you're offsetting labour. If you assume time is money, then the inverse is true and money can buy time. One would be the whole history of domestic servitude having really hosed up power dynamics, like live-in servants and the upstairs/downstairs mentality, and people who bring in migrants as domestics in a way that's basically debt bondage, and the girls in poor communities that Emma Goldman talked about where the only choices were sex work or being a servant for some old nonce that basically amounted to the same. That's all very hosed up, but it's hardly the same as paying to get your oven cleaned. The other would be the sexist trope that women belong at home and therefore if you're paying a cleaner so you can work you're simultaneously a bad woman and somehow lazy. Yet (referring to my nan's book from the 50s on being a 'modern homemaker') there was a ton of other stuff that women were expected to do for free as part of keeping the home, like wiring plugs and changing wire fuses, and yet nobody would invoke this trope against a woman paying for an electrician. I guess it mostly falls on our cultural expectations of what women should be doing for free (and to a lesser extent what people should and shouldn't be doing for themselves). You're right that a lot of it does amount to "I can make £20 working for an hour and pay someone £10 to clean" but I don't think that's the problem that graun lady has with it, otherwise she'd be agonizing every time she paid a bit more for pre-chopped veg.  He does know that we get this hour because we lost one in March, right? Right? Not because the Scots stole it.
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Oh dear me posted:The amounts there are a bit of a red herring. If everyone has £100 they're all about as well off as if everyone had £50, there's just more money around to buy the same good and services with. What makes you rich, or poor, is having relatively more or less money than everyone else, so those people were basically saying they'd like to be well off rather than the same as everyone else. Obviously that's not very socialist, but I think it's understandable given the capitalist propaganda and actual insecurity that pervade people's lives. The discussion was specifically framed as 'discounting stuff like inflation or pricing. It's simply about how much you have relative to other people.' So some in the class were either over-thinking it or just plain happy to have less as long as they had more than others. Which really seems to be an all-too common outlook in the real world
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Pochoclo posted:It's always explained in these experiments that the amount would have the same purchasing power (as in, it wouldn't be devalued by everyone having the same) Even if that were possible it doesn't really change the issue, because relative inequality is still something that matters. If everyone has a car I'm worse off (in terms of pollution, parking, road safety etc) than I am if only I have a car. If no one can afford new suits they're not going to look down on me for having a shabby one, and I may get more credit if mine is new. If everyone is equally poor social systems are going to cater for that level of poverty, and having a bit more will give you a nice security cushion.
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