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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Look at his ridiculous tail aaaaa

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Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
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Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

Idiot Baby with Meat, mixed media.


Ceci n'est pas un bidet.

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005
to continue with "look at my dumb baby" posts:



that is my slipper
give it back
you are a cat
it doesn't even fit

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


he like the bag

felgs
Dec 31, 2008

Cats cure all ills. Post more of them.

Pellisworth posted:

to continue with "look at my dumb baby" posts:



that is my slipper
give it back
you are a cat
it doesn't even fit

arm warmer tho

my cat is norris
Mar 11, 2010

#onecallcat


This is good to hear for both of you!

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005
Did you know that toilet paper rolls make an excellent toy? Especially after you thoroughly shred all the toilet paper on the roll.

I've learned that anything small and light enough to be batted around will eventually become a toy for cats.

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy
Question about cat piss!

For several years my cat has had a heated cat bed which we only plug in during the winter so she can stay cozy all day. The rest of the year the bed is just a cat bed. This month it got cold enough that I plugged it in again. Last week we discovered it stunk; She peed in her bed. We washed it in the clothes washer on the hot cycle. Next night, same thing. Thinking maybe we weren't removing the scent (and having her old bed fall apart after the 2nd wash anyway), we bought her a new heated cat bed. I just discovered she peed in that one, too, and within 30 minutes of her discovering it.

A few points:

- She had her vet checkup about a month ago and was healthy (before the peeing started, so I didn't get to ask)
- This is the first year she's peed in the bed despite having it nearly 4 years.
- She continues to poop in her litter box as usual, which is maybe 15-20 feet from the cat bed.
- She's not peeing on anything besides the cat bed (and her litter box) -- not our beds, not the floor, not the little basket in her cat tree she loves to snuggle in.
- About two years ago we discovered she had peed on the towel we put down in the bathroom for stepping out of the shower. She did this twice. It was right next to her litter box and we figured she was just confused. We solved this by keeping the towel off the floor when not in use. That's the only other time she's had an "accident" that I'm aware of.
- No other recent changes for her that I can think of. She is now about 9 years old though, so I guess she's a "senior cat".

Thoughts? Is my cat suddenly sensitive to the heat from the cat bed and it makes her lose continence? Is she just an idiot who thinks cat beds are spare litter boxes? I'm definitely not buying her any more heated beds, and I'm kind of wary of buying an unheated one at this point.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost
It doesn't sound like incontinence to me, more that some switch flipped in her kitty brain that warm bed = place to pee. Maybe the first time was she was just too relaxed and let loose, or it was too comfortable and she didn't want to leave (I know that feel) but after that it was probably association.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.
Have just adopted two 13 week kittens and having some trouble coaxing them out of their little hideyhole. Left them overnight to chill a bit, they managed to find the toilet and move from cat carrier to radiator adjacent cat cave. I check in every couple of hours, but generally they just stay petrified towards the back. Boy kitten will gently hiss sometimes if I get too close, but has been tempted by cat treats and generally seems perkier, so I'm not too worried. Girl kitten won't accept food, and just sits placidly staring at everything like a PTSD victim. Not sure she has eaten or drunk anything since arriving, but I guess it's possible she did overnight. Basically she never moves from perma-teacosy.

How terrible is the idea that I should take her out of the cave manually and place her near food/water? Am I being over-paranoid about this situation and she'll definitely come out when I'm not around?

It's been a very long time indeed since I adopted kittens, but the last time they came out of their box to explore with people present much more readily than this. I'm re-evaluating my approach a bit and I'm not going to approach the cat cave at all, but just sit a distance away while being visible. But at the same time I'm worried that there is some point at which I may need to intervene. She doesn't shy away physically from being touched, pretty much just sits there in stasis the whole time.

Thoughts/experiences?

felgs
Dec 31, 2008

Cats cure all ills. Post more of them.

They just got mega transplanted, and not all kittens immediately go into let's explore mode. Making sure the food and water is available, as well as litter (not next to food obvs) and otherwise letting them come out on their own terms is the way to go. Sitting quietly and being visible is a good idea. I probably wouldn't try to get the girl out unless you think she's hurt/sick, but other people in thread can chime in.

TofuDiva
Aug 22, 2010

Playin' Possum





Muldoon
I wouldn't worry too much yet - they need time to adjust and to figure out that you are trustable. I think that your strategy is a good one (sitting in the room, visible and approachable, but not forcing them to interact with you just yet). Like FelicityGS said, put the food and water close to and visible from their hidey so that they can get to it without going far from the place they've decided is safe.

Were they in a shelter environment when you got them? One thing that I think is often missed is just how very tired and stressed kittens/cats cats can be when they first come out of a shelter, and how common it is for them to have picked up a mild respiratory infection while there. So once they are in your home, they can start to relax and take some time to decompress and recover. It is fairly usual for a cat to basically want to sleep for the first few days after you bring them home.

It's always a good idea to get new adoptees in for a well kitty checkup at the vet sometime in the first few days, but if most of today goes by and you are sure one is not eating or drinking at all, then I'd bump up the priority of the vet visit. Otherwise, I'd say just give them time to feel rested and safe.

TofuDiva fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Oct 25, 2019

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


also: you should post some pictures in case there is something wrong with them that isn't obvious, like they are too cute or something

Irukandji Syndrome
Dec 26, 2008
Any suggestions on good chew toys for a teething kitten? She's biting my fingers every chance she gets but sort of gently chewing on them, I obviously want to discourage this and redirect her to something else but stuff on Amazon has really varied reviews. Don't want to get her something secretly dangerous or anything.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

TeenageArchipelago posted:

also: you should post some pictures in case there is something wrong with them that isn't obvious, like they are too cute or something

Yeah, we need to check cuteness levels ASAP. It is vital that we as a community ascertain the extant collective cuteness so we can execute a cuteness action plan to appreciate more cuteness.

Culex
Jul 22, 2007

Crime sucks.

Irukandji Syndrome posted:

Any suggestions on good chew toys for a teething kitten? She's biting my fingers every chance she gets but sort of gently chewing on them, I obviously want to discourage this and redirect her to something else but stuff on Amazon has really varied reviews. Don't want to get her something secretly dangerous or anything.

My cat loved bully sticks during teething, and beef gullets, that kind of small dog treat thing.

mistaya
Oct 18, 2006

Cat of Wealth and Taste

Best advice for getting scared kitties to come out of hiding will always be to just hang out in the room doing a quiet activity while completely ignoring them. Read, play your phone, whatever, also sit on the floor so you're not so tall and scary. If one approaches, let them do it on their own terms and sniff around or climb on you. Blink at them slowly and then look away, that's how you say "I trust you, and I'm not hunting you."

Also a thing to know is that cats don't trust the over-head pat right away. Make a loose fist and hold it out for them to sniff, don't open your palm over their heads. We think of them as predators but housecats are also prey animals and will get scared about a Big Scary Thing Coming From Above. The hand-sniff is like their handshake, scent is super duper important for cats and that's how they get comfortable with you.

felgs
Dec 31, 2008

Cats cure all ills. Post more of them.

Irukandji Syndrome posted:

Any suggestions on good chew toys for a teething kitten? She's biting my fingers every chance she gets but sort of gently chewing on them, I obviously want to discourage this and redirect her to something else but stuff on Amazon has really varied reviews. Don't want to get her something secretly dangerous or anything.

Silvervine sticks are how I got lucky through it; Toaster just gnaws at the metal bar on the bottom of their stroller.

TMMadman
Sep 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Jeza posted:

Have just adopted two 13 week kittens and having some trouble coaxing them out of their little hideyhole. Left them overnight to chill a bit, they managed to find the toilet and move from cat carrier to radiator adjacent cat cave. I check in every couple of hours, but generally they just stay petrified towards the back. Boy kitten will gently hiss sometimes if I get too close, but has been tempted by cat treats and generally seems perkier, so I'm not too worried. Girl kitten won't accept food, and just sits placidly staring at everything like a PTSD victim. Not sure she has eaten or drunk anything since arriving, but I guess it's possible she did overnight. Basically she never moves from perma-teacosy.

How terrible is the idea that I should take her out of the cave manually and place her near food/water? Am I being over-paranoid about this situation and she'll definitely come out when I'm not around?

It's been a very long time indeed since I adopted kittens, but the last time they came out of their box to explore with people present much more readily than this. I'm re-evaluating my approach a bit and I'm not going to approach the cat cave at all, but just sit a distance away while being visible. But at the same time I'm worried that there is some point at which I may need to intervene. She doesn't shy away physically from being touched, pretty much just sits there in stasis the whole time.

Thoughts/experiences?

You've gotten lots of good advice about just hanging out and letting them figure out that you aren't a threat and I agree with it. However, I would also say that enticing little kittens to play is also usually pretty easy and will help them realize you aren't a threat too. I personally recommend string type toys for getting a shy kitten to engage because you can maintain a distance which helps them realize you aren't a threat.

Also, and some people will probably disagree here, but don't be afraid to just reach in and grab one to put on your lap and pet. Obviously, you probably don't want to do it right away, but if they haven't really engaged in a couple more days, then I'd say just grab them and pet them because they will realize that you provide something that feels good.

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman
How good are cats though

felgs
Dec 31, 2008

Cats cure all ills. Post more of them.

Schneider Inside Her posted:

How good are cats though

Super good

Exhibit A:

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

TMMadman posted:

You've gotten lots of good advice about just hanging out and letting them figure out that you aren't a threat and I agree with it. However, I would also say that enticing little kittens to play is also usually pretty easy and will help them realize you aren't a threat too. I personally recommend string type toys for getting a shy kitten to engage because you can maintain a distance which helps them realize you aren't a threat.

Also, and some people will probably disagree here, but don't be afraid to just reach in and grab one to put on your lap and pet. Obviously, you probably don't want to do it right away, but if they haven't really engaged in a couple more days, then I'd say just grab them and pet them because they will realize that you provide something that feels good.

Last night I tempted the boy out with a long fishing rod thing, so great minds think alike. She came to the edge of the cave and watched. Obviously tentatively considering leaving but not quite up to it. They are now exploring the room a bit, still pretty wary though. Promise I'll post some photos when they don't think I'm looming over them to eat them.

computer angel
Sep 9, 2008

Make it a double.
Does anyone have any experience with pine pellet litter? My husband's friend who works in wildlife rehabilitation says it can cause cancer and respiratory issues. I read that the kiln dried variety is the safe option. Thoughts?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Citation needed

computer angel
Sep 9, 2008

Make it a double.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Citation needed

Exactly. I'm looking around and all I see are product descriptions from the company, reviews/comments from consumers, and a prop 65 warning claiming "Drilling, sawing, sanding or machining wood products can expose you to wood dust, a substance known to the State of California to cause cancer." Pine pellets are used as horse bedding, you'd think people with expensive rear end horses would be having a cow if it gave them resp issues etc. But what do I know, maybe there's something I'm missing.

computer angel fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Oct 26, 2019

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


California is notorious for putting that label on almost anything. It’s so bad that people just slap the label on something as a stupid meme. I wouldn’t put too much stock in that thing.

computer angel
Sep 9, 2008

Make it a double.

Pollyanna posted:

California is notorious for putting that label on almost anything. It’s so bad that people just slap the label on something as a stupid meme. I wouldn’t put too much stock in that thing.

Yeah I figured. What a useless warning.

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

Beaky the Tortoise says, click here to join our choose Your Own Adventure Game!

Paradise Lost: Clash of the Heavens!

I woke up pretty late this morning and fed my cat, only to notice that while I was sleeping the cat had already vomited up a little bit of plastic. Searching my home, I found that the cat had apparently eaten three or so inches of the handle of a plastic grocery bag. Our cat did not seem to have not vomited all of it up based on what I found. The cat is acting normally and does not seem alarmed or distressed. I have a lot to do and would very, very much like to avoid a vet visit over what I suspect is nothing to worry about, I imagine our cat will poop out or digest the rest eventually. Our cat did not swallow one big piece of plastic, from what I see of the bag it looks like the cat bit off small pieces and swallowed them, that can't be a serious threat to tangling in their intestines or something, right?

They are an adult with no known health problems.

What sort of signs, if any, should I look out for? Other than not eating, pooping, drinking. Their cuteness levels are at 100%, though I can't provide documentary evidence for analysis.

Thank you very much for any guidance you can offer.

Diogines fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Oct 26, 2019

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

I had a cat do that, and she's ok, luckily. Keep watching closely for changes like you have been, and if nothing goes wrong, it probably just passed through. Don't leave that stuff out again, obviously.

Just watch for any subtle changes in behavior and look for blood in the poop. If your cat has no energy when they normally would or is not receptive/hostile to attention outside of their normal personality, it's vet time, possibly emergency.

yellowyams
Jan 15, 2011
I came in here about a week ago to freak out about my kitty suddenly going blind due to hypertension, and I'm extremely appreciative of all the support and advice I received, however, I'm happy to report that her vision is returning and as of today she's more or less back to her old, sweet, cuddly self if not a little better.

I don't know if it's a miracle or what because the emergency vet said her eyesight wouldn't come back and my vet friend who consulted an internal medicine specialist for me said it was extremely unlikely that there was anything I could do to bring it back even a little, but on Monday the ophthalmologist said one of her retinas was starting to re-attach and a follow up later this week confirmed that both of her retinas were re-attaching and her vision had already returned enough to get her to blink when he shined light in her eyes.

I really can't describe how it felt when I came into the room she was resting in and she was staring at nothing but after a few moments of just sitting there she suddenly looked up at my face in surprise and let out a big meow as if she could see who I was for the first time since it all started. She's been cuddled up next to me all morning and purring, something she hasn't done in a while even though just a few pets used to get her to purr so much she would start drooling. :3: Being able to see her happy again has me tearing up. I'm so lucky to be able to share my time with my wonderful little kitty.

If anyone reading this has a cat with co-occuring hyperthyroid and kidney disease, or even just kidney disease, please let my mistake be a lesson and check their blood pressure frequently, especially if you make any changes to their medication.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
Help me think of a better litterbox setup to prevent litter from scattering everywhere on the floor. We try to keep it contained in corners of the house, but recently those rooms have cleared out and there's a lot more empty space around them. Litter is getting a lot farther on the wood floor now. The little blanket below isn't stopping it.





For that other litterbox above we had a spare comforter to catch everything and force them to walk over it. That worked but you all probably have a better idea. It seems silly to go out and buy a comforter for this purpose.

One of our cats is very huge and dumb. After peeing he explodes out of the litterbox like he suddenly remembered he left the stove on -- first stepping in the pee and then taking an unpredictable path out each time. That thwarts our efforts to place a regular-sized litter mat anywhere that will clean his feet on the way out the same way as a long mountain of comforter will.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

yellowyams posted:

I came in here about a week ago to freak out about my kitty suddenly going blind due to hypertension, and I'm extremely appreciative of all the support and advice I received, however, I'm happy to report that her vision is returning and as of today she's more or less back to her old, sweet, cuddly self if not a little better.

:3 :hellyeah:

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Help me think of a better litterbox setup to prevent litter from scattering everywhere on the floor. We try to keep it contained in corners of the house, but recently those rooms have cleared out and there's a lot more empty space around them. Litter is getting a lot farther on the wood floor now. The little blanket below isn't stopping it.





For that other litterbox above we had a spare comforter to catch everything and force them to walk over it. That worked but you all probably have a better idea. It seems silly to go out and buy a comforter for this purpose.

One of our cats is very huge and dumb. After peeing he explodes out of the litterbox like he suddenly remembered he left the stove on -- first stepping in the pee and then taking an unpredictable path out each time. That thwarts our efforts to place a regular-sized litter mat anywhere that will clean his feet on the way out the same way as a long mountain of comforter will.

We usually put litterboxes in bathrooms. They have tiled or linoleum floors that are moisture resistant and are generally out of the way. Any tracked litter then stays in the bathroom.

We also put a puppy pad under the litterbox to soak up any near misses. Cat pee pooling under those boxes will ruin your wood floors in a hurry.

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.
My cat saw a raccoon on our deck tonight and he got PISSED. Loudest yelling and hissing I’ve ever heard. Raccoon walked right up to the sliding doors to piss him off on purpose I think. My cat is still looking out the window. He’s gonna he mad for weeks.

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Help me think of a better litterbox setup to prevent litter

a) just accept it, it's the way of the cat. Get a wireless vacuum like those Dyson things.

b) put it at the lowest level in the house. I found after we put our litter boxes in the basement we didn't get any more litter anywhere else as litter generally doesn't travel up stairs. The basement is a mess though.

c) If that's not an option, you could build a big box where you put a hole in the top and they have to climb in (from the top ideally) and do their business there. That solution however has the problem of trapping the cat with the stench, which isn't exactly pleasant for them. If you build it spacious enough it could work though but seeing as you have a pee ghost infestation I'm afraid it'll be unpleasant if your cat can't vacate immediately once the ghost appears. (Alternatively you could modify something like this to hold a cat toilet and line it from the inside up to a certain height only so there's still ventilation. Lay out some mats and it should slow them down when the ghost strikes)

In other news both our idiots nearly got stuck this morning when they tried to go through the flap at the same time. :cripes:

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

So... Someone really pointed out to me that I was remembered as "the PI poster who makes monstrously long posts and talks past everyone, while ignoring all advice." Even if it seemed to have been said somewhat amusedly or maybe a little affectionately, and even thought I don't really mind that description - except for the last part - I feel the need to address this somewhat.

Like I said, I'll basically cop to all of the above except the part about ignoring advice. I do make monstrously long posts and talk past everyone and am... a bit idiosyncratic and eccentric, I will admit. Those things are all very true. But I love reading the thread, and I do make shorter more 'normal' posts from time to time. And I absolutely do not ignore advice - I am always deeply grateful whenever anyone takes the time to address a problem I bring up, and I always listen to what people have to say, and generally follow the advice I get when it seems rational and right - which it usually does.

Take a couple months ago, when I was asking about travel, and whether it was truly best to drive with a cat or fly with a cat when moving cross-country. And if you do drive, how one should best go about it. There was a ton of *fabulous* and useful advice that many of you were kind enough to go through and explain to me, and it was very helpful and helped shape my plans. It made me decide to definitely drive the whole trip with Jackie, and give up on the idea that flying her out would be significantly easier in any way. And as I said, all the basic stuff about driving long-term with a cat - NEVER let her out of the carrier while driving, always have food and drink accessible in the carrier, plan your hotels in advance and insure you will always have cat-friendly places to stay along the way, stop every ~3-4 hours at least and let your cat outside to wander around with a leash, bring a proper litterbox of some type to bring inside with you into the hotel rooms... I've already gotten her fitted with a harness and am getting her used to it, so it's not so strange. I've already had to stay with Jackie in standard hotel rooms for a few nights in the past, so I have some idea of what to expect there. There was more advice, too, but those were the more important ones that I seem to recall.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I'm quite self-aware about being a bit.. weird and eccentric, but I really do love this thread, and I hope my, uh, contributions aren't too bizarre or strange, And I *always* listen to all the advice, I just don't always know what to say or how to respond directly to people. Never been too good at it. I'm trying to monologue less and conversate more these days, though.

kaworu fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Oct 27, 2019

Red Crown
Oct 20, 2008

Pretend my finger's a knife.
I cannot believe I have to ask this but: my roommate has two cats, one of which is a new little kitten. New kitten is defecating and peeing anywhere but the litterbox. I tried to tell my roommate that he should scoop the thing more than every other week and that new kitten probably needs a separate litterbox. He's insisting that no, new kitten does not, she "just needs to learn to go in the box."

Apparently he won't take my word for it so does anyone have a link to a reputable article that says that yes, you should keep the loving litterbox clean and more cats need more boxes? Most of my googling just turned up ads or PetMD.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Red Crown posted:

I cannot believe I have to ask this but: my roommate has two cats, one of which is a new little kitten. New kitten is defecating and peeing anywhere but the litterbox. I tried to tell my roommate that he should scoop the thing more than every other week and that new kitten probably needs a separate litterbox. He's insisting that no, new kitten does not, she "just needs to learn to go in the box."

Apparently he won't take my word for it so does anyone have a link to a reputable article that says that yes, you should keep the loving litterbox clean and more cats need more boxes? Most of my googling just turned up ads or PetMD.

That can vary a lot. The kitten may be put off by the old cat's scent in the box. Having a separate box for her might help, or the old cat may deliberately use both just to "claim" them. It may just take some time for her to catch on that she can share, so your roommate might be right.

The problem is, there is no way to know exactly why the kitten won't use the box. You just have to try stuff until you hit on something that works.

We have one box for three cats and they all share it just fine. Do whatever works for you and your cats is generally the way to handle things.

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pork never goes bad
May 16, 2008

Red Crown posted:

I cannot believe I have to ask this but: my roommate has two cats, one of which is a new little kitten. New kitten is defecating and peeing anywhere but the litterbox. I tried to tell my roommate that he should scoop the thing more than every other week and that new kitten probably needs a separate litterbox. He's insisting that no, new kitten does not, she "just needs to learn to go in the box."

Apparently he won't take my word for it so does anyone have a link to a reputable article that says that yes, you should keep the loving litterbox clean and more cats need more boxes? Most of my googling just turned up ads or PetMD.

I'm not sure what you consider reputable, but the humane society has this to say...


quote:

The general rule of paw is one litter box for each cat in the home, plus one more.


quote:

To meet the needs of the most discriminating cat, you should scoop feces out of the litter box daily. 


https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/preventing-litter-box-problems

And another online resource that reads right to me offers these quotables...


quote:

We neurotic types clean litter boxes daily. If that’s too much for you, litter boxes should be scooped out at least every other day. Of course, this depends on how many cats you have. The more cats you have, the more frequently the boxes should be scooped out. While it’s a dirty job, it really should be done for the best interest of your cat(s).


quote:

Some cats will “hold it” and urinate as infrequently as possible to avoid stepping into a dirty, filthy, full litter box. Instead of urinating two to three times a day, your cat will tighten up and only go once a day. This makes his urine get more concentrated and could make crystals and urine debris plug up and cause him to get a life-threatening feline urethral obstruction (FUO). 


http://www.pethealthnetwork.com/cat-health/cat-behavior/how-often-do-i-really-need-clean-my-cats-litter-box



While the previous poster is correct that you should do what works, cat advice is not one size fits all, and that not every household with two cats needs two+ litter boxes, they're wrong not to emphasize that biweekly cleaning is radically insufficient and that a kitten not using the box is often a reflection of box cleanliness. An excessively dirty litter box is dangerous for you and the cats. Shopping more needs to happen either way, and adding a second litter box is a great first step to diagnosing why the kitten won't use the current one. Of course, the old cat will almost certainly use the clean box too because the current one sounds real gross.

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