[Latin America] Lulag Archipelago

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

My mom is Chilean, but her father, and mother iirc, was a Spanish expat who was also a soldier under Pinochet and hearing her hot takes on Chile is a loving hoot. She was real young and living on bases when they got attacked or w/e so she's got a real axe to grind with communist or whatever menace it is. She's on a real tilt after getting owned by her Chilean relatives on facebook since she basically hasn't been in the country, outside of flying once or twice, for like 3 decades and must post her hot takes online. It loving owns lol.

What I'm saying is, my homeland of Chile yearns for freedom. We must invade and clear out this rabble to bring peace, stability and democracy to the common Chilean.

# ? Oct 23, 2019 20:19

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Homeless Friend posted:

What I'm saying is, my homeland of Chile yearns for freedom. We must invade and clear out this rabble to bring peace, stability and democracy to the common Chilean.

Justice for the Obdachloser-Freund family!

# ? Oct 23, 2019 20:25

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Allende killed himself because he didn't want to be held to account, some folks just don't understand September 11th :smug:

# ? Oct 23, 2019 20:29

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Homeless Friend posted:

Allende killed himself because he didn't want to be held to account, some folks just don't understand September 11th

I'm really sorry your mom is like that

# ? Oct 23, 2019 20:34

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

Homeless Friend posted:

My mom is Chilean, but her father, and mother iirc, was a Spanish expat who was also a soldier under Pinochet and hearing her hot takes on Chile is a loving hoot. She was real young and living on bases when they got attacked or w/e so she's got a real axe to grind with communist or whatever menace it is. She's on a real tilt after getting owned by her Chilean relatives on facebook since she basically hasn't been in the country, outside of flying once or twice, for like 3 decades and must post her hot takes online. It loving owns lol.

What I'm saying is, my homeland of Chile yearns for freedom. We must invade and clear out this rabble to bring peace, stability and democracy to the common Chilean.

lmao

# ? Oct 23, 2019 20:35

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

There's a neighborhood named after Allende around here.

# ? Oct 23, 2019 20:40

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Kurtofan posted:

I'm really sorry your mom is like that

She's dumb but for me it's free content. I love it. She's having fun yelling about it. It's nbd in the end so whatever lol.

Homeless Friend has issued a correction as of 20:59 on Oct 23, 2019

# ? Oct 23, 2019 20:40

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

just glancing through how the nyt was reporting the pinochet coup since it's topically relevant

the nyt upon news of the coup and allende's suicide:
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/09/12/archives/tragedy-in-chile.html

quote:

Any military coup is a tragedy, representing a breakdown of civilian authority and usually the collapse of government by consent. It is especially tragic for Chile, where sturdy democratic machinery had functioned, for many years and the armed forces had a strong tradition of keeping to their barracks. The Chilean tragedy will compounded if the report of President Salvador Allende Gossens' suicide proves to be true. In a country as bitterly divided as Chile has become during President Allende's three years in office, It will require tremendous skill and tact by the military chiefs now to avert widespread civil strife.

No Chilean party or faction can escape some responsibility for the disaster, but a heavy share must be assigned to the unfortunate Dr. Allende himself. Even when the dangers of polarization had become unmistakably evi dent, he persisted in pushing a program of pervasive socialism for which he had no popular mandate. His governing coalition�especially his own Socialist party�pursued this goal by dubious means, including attempts to bypass both Congress and the courts.

Dr. Allende might have survived had he been able or willing to consolidate his considerable gains for socialism and to offer genuine cooperation in the Congress to the opposition Christian Democrats, Chile's largest party. Instead, the tactics of his coalition induced the moderate Christian Democrats to join the right wing National party in opposition and obstruction. As the crisis deepened last week, Dr. Allende rejected a compromise overture from former President Eduardo Frei, the Christian Democratic leader.

While there is no evidence that the Nixon Administration seriously considered the maneuvers against Dr. Allende suggested in 1970 by the C.I.A. or the International Telephone and Telegraph Corporation, it is essential that Washington meticulously keep hands off the present, crisis, which only Chileans can resolve. There must be no grounds whatsoever for even a suspicion of outside intervention.

the nyt here:

rejected claims of nixon or cia involvement in the coup or material conditions leading to the coup
blamed allende for being couped and suiciding
framed the rightwing parties backing a literal military coup leading to a decades long military junta as reasonable

the nyt basically printed a pinochet press release about how great the middle class was now under pinochet and the great ideology of the pinochet military junta:
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/10/23/archives/allendes-middleclass-foes-winning-power-under-chiles-junta-dual.html

quote:

Gremialism, as expounded by. Mr. Guzman, appears to be a combination of traditional liberal capitalism and a kind of corporatism similar to that practiced in Spain under Generalissimo Francisco Franco.

The basis of it is the association of people with the same profession to defend common interests. The technocratic elite is emphasized. Mr. Guzman, however, has repeatedly said that the movement is �the antithesis� of classic totalitarian fascism. He points to its nonidentification with the state and support of the free play of prices.

Political parties are the natural channel to exercise political power, he says, but is quick to observe that politics is �out of place at this time.� He believes the armed forces should remain in power for at least three years.

He calls himself a �pragmatic nationalist� and openly admires the Brazilian model as �intelligent nationalism.� He says United States capital is indispensable for Chile's development.

note that brazil was under a military dictatorship by this time and the contemporaneous reporting of the nyt declared that freedom was being brought to brazil by the coup and was declaring allende a problem

some quotes that hilariously stood out to me on an article shortly before the coup:
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/08/24/archives/opposition-intensifies-in-chile-as-legislators-vote-to-denounce.html

quote:

Some military men, particularly in the navy and air force, are known to be dissatisfied with the left‐wing Government and the general state of instability. But the commands appear unwilling to risk confrontation.
...
The Opposition is a heterogeneous force including the anti‐Marxist Christian Demo cratic and National parties, the far‐right activist movement called Fatherland and Liberty, and a broad range of business and professional associations.

These groups are united by a strong hostility to Marxism, a deep anxiety over the state of the socialist‐oriented economy, and strong distrust in Dr. Allende's commitment to democracy.

shortly after the coup, the nyt wrote a glowing puff piece of pinochet. note that a lot of these articles consistently described the military leaders as avoiding politics and non-aligned, as if they were neutral political arbiters
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/09/15/archives/chiles-strongman-augusto-pinochet-ugarte-man-in-the-news-served-in.html

quote:

Before he became the new Chilean strongman, Gen. Au gusto Pinochet Ugarte scrupu lously avoided politics. His silence was in keeping with the tradition of Chile's mili tary.

The generals and admirals stayed out of politics for 46 years until a four‐man junta deposed Presi dent Salvador Allende Gossens on Tuesday. Even among officers who upheld that tradition, General Pinochet was regarded as singularly nonaligned.

Man in the News

The tall, powerfully built infantry officer became com mander of the army last month after Gen. Carlos Prats Gonzalez resigned �so as not to serve as a pretext for those who seek the over throw of the constitutional Government.�

Dr. Allende, who was fac ing strong opposition to his Marxist policies, apparently hoped that General Pinochet would manage to keep the military in its nonpolitical role.

It was the third time in a year that General Pinochet assumed the post. He had succeeded General Prats when that officer left twice to head cabinet ministries.

General Pinochet (pro nounced pee‐no‐CHETT) is known to military people who have observed his career as intelligent, ambitious and professionally competent. They describe him as quiet and businesslike, but also as an experienced infantry of ficer with a great deal of initiative. Fellow officers re spect him, they say.

An officer who studied with the 58‐year‐old general when he taught artillery and military geography in the nineteen‐fifties recalls him as �very energetic and very dis ciplined,� with a sense of humor as well as a certain �toughness.�

Probably the most unusual aspect of the general's ap parently traditional military career is his interest in geog raphy. He wrote three geog raphy books, including a sec ondary school text. He has taught the subject at the army colleges in Quito and. Santiago. And he is a mem ber of the Geographical So ciety of Chile.

Served in U.S.

General Pinochet was born Nov. 25, 1915, in Valparaiso, a port city that also was the birthplace of Dr. Allende. He was commissioned in the infantry after graduating from the military academy in Santiago in 1936.

In 1956, General Pinochet served as military attach� to the Chilean embassy in Wash ington. He also visited the United States Southern Com mand at the Panama Canal Zone in 1965, 1968 and 1972, and made an official tour of the United States in 1968.

He was promoted from colonel to brigadier general in 1968 and was named army chief of staff in 1972, a post he held before his third ap pointment as Commander‐in Chief.

Among the general's dec orations are the Colombia Order of Merit and Chilean Star of Military Merit. He studied law and social sciences at the University of Chile in Santiago for two years, and speaks some Eng lish and French.

The general, who has gray ing hair and a fair com plexion, is married to the former Lucia Hieriarte Rodri guez, who is known as charm ing, attractive and socially at ease. They are Roman Cath olic and have two sons and three daughters.

The general first received public attention last fall when President Allende declared Santiago a military zone and put it under the general's command to control riots and strikes.

General Pinochet's own si lence on political matters has apparently ended. He vowed that the junta would �ex terminate Marxism.�

comedyblissoption has issued a correction as of 02:09 on Oct 24, 2019

# ? Oct 24, 2019 02:05

Tom Smykowski: Jan 27, 2005; What the hell is wrong with you people?

Nyt: consistently poo poo

# ? Oct 24, 2019 06:13

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1187066507035103235

# ? Oct 24, 2019 06:28

joepinetree: Apr 5, 2012

Why is that every loving gusano has to have the same "we don't see color in Latin America" bullshit argument?

On an aside, you're going to hear a lot of bullshit in the next few days regarding Evo. All that you have to know about the legitimacy of the election is that Evo's government invited the EU, OAS, etc. to audit the results and the opposition set fire to electoral courts and ballot boxes.

# ? Oct 24, 2019 06:32

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

im envious that bolivia apparently has ballot boxes, a privilege not enjoyed in the great american state of georgia

# ? Oct 24, 2019 06:38

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

joepinetree posted:

Why is that every loving gusano has to have the same "we don't see color in Latin America" bullshit argument?

On an aside, you're going to hear a lot of bullshit in the next few days regarding Evo. All that you have to know about the legitimacy of the election is that Evo's government invited the EU, OAS, etc. to audit the results and the opposition set fire to electoral courts and ballot boxes.

i was lolling at the repeat with usual suspects in the new sister thread. I love that a leader that is repeatedly elected is viewed as a bad thing for democracy, just totally baseless unchallenged assumption. Need to elect some rich guy for our democratic health folks.

# ? Oct 24, 2019 06:59

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

quote:

General Pinochet (pro nounced pee‐no‐CHETT)

The newspaper of record. A record of poo poo.

# ? Oct 24, 2019 07:33

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 20 days!)

joepinetree posted:

Why is that every loving gusano has to have the same "we don't see color in Latin America" bullshit argument?

no they see color, that's why it's colorist and not racist. because all Venezuelans are the same race of course.

# ? Oct 24, 2019 08:53

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

no they see color, that's why it's colorist and not racist. because all Venezuelans are the same race of course.

so what you're saying is that the Bolivarian movement was a Color revolution

# ? Oct 24, 2019 09:04

Kurnugia: Sep 2, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

Homeless Friend posted:

My mom is Chilean, but her father, and mother iirc, was a Spanish expat who was also a soldier under Pinochet and hearing her hot takes on Chile is a loving hoot. She was real young and living on bases when they got attacked or w/e so she's got a real axe to grind with communist or whatever menace it is. She's on a real tilt after getting owned by her Chilean relatives on facebook since she basically hasn't been in the country, outside of flying once or twice, for like 3 decades and must post her hot takes online. It loving owns lol.

What I'm saying is, my homeland of Chile yearns for freedom. We must invade and clear out this rabble to bring peace, stability and democracy to the common Chilean.

i did wonder about your username and now it makes perfect sense. goonmiserations for lib parents

# ? Oct 24, 2019 11:20

RandomPauI: Nov 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

I like to think your advocating for a Spanish occupation of Chile. Mostly because that premise could lead to many more interesting movies than the standard USA stuff.

# ? Oct 24, 2019 13:05

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

joepinetree posted:

Why is that every loving gusano has to have the same "we don't see color in Latin America" bullshit argument?

On an aside, you're going to hear a lot of bullshit in the next few days regarding Evo. All that you have to know about the legitimacy of the election is that Evo's government invited the EU, OAS, etc. to audit the results and the opposition set fire to electoral courts and ballot boxes.

its hilarious because latin america is one the most racially hierarchical places in the world.

# ? Oct 24, 2019 17:19

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

How long will it take to capture La Paz? 2 days
Will Morales be killed? Yes
Total Bolivian civillian casualties: 500 dead
Total military casualties Bolivia: 3000 dead
Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead
Will the Bolivian army regulars hold the lines? No
Will the Colorados fight to the end? No
Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes
Will Morales launch attacks on the Andeans? Yes
Will Morales launch attacks on Brazil? No
-If yes; will Brazil retaliate harshly? Yes
Will Morales sacrifice La Paz (gas/nuke it)? No
Will the Andeans make a grab for independence? Yes
Will Chile do anything silly like try for land? Yes
Will Morales burn the oil fields? Yes
How long will the US be occupying Bolivia? ~15 years
Will the Bolivian war catalyze increased terrorism in America? No
In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good

# ? Oct 25, 2019 02:34

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

https://twitter.com/Cemil/status/1187302661957312517?s=19

Chile justifying use of force on protesters by pointing at France's methods as an inspiration :france:

# ? Oct 25, 2019 10:51

Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

So it looks like the soft coup against Evo just kinda sputtered out? Western media seems to be recognizing that he won without needing a run off.

# ? Oct 25, 2019 15:44

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1187904161074929666
https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1187850470611734528
https://twitter.com/pablonav1/status/1187867335769628673
https://twitter.com/venanalysis/status/1187508594599546880

# ? Oct 26, 2019 06:12

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

afaict there's a complete blackout on visualizations of the chilean protest crowd sizes of literally over 5% of the entire country's population running out to protest on the NYT

# ? Oct 26, 2019 06:26

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Frijolero posted:

So it looks like the soft coup against Evo just kinda sputtered out? Western media seems to be recognizing that he won without needing a run off.

somebody did passive aggressively edit his Wikipedia page to call him a dictator tho.

small victories

# ? Oct 26, 2019 06:43

joepinetree: Apr 5, 2012

Well, OAS made a big deal about how they accepted the invitation to audit the results. Then they can't because the opposition set fire to ballot boxes. It's hard to try to spin that.

# ? Oct 26, 2019 15:43

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

joepinetree posted:

Well, OAS made a big deal about how they accepted the invitation to audit the results. Then they can't because the opposition set fire to ballot boxes. It's hard to try to spin that.

not letting the opposition do dirty tricks to spoil the election makes you a dictator

# ? Oct 26, 2019 16:22

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

https://twitter.com/ryanharveysongs/status/1187895405914316800?s=19

# ? Oct 26, 2019 16:32

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

this is literally the only visualization of the massive chile protest that i could find from the NYT on oct 25 and 26
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/opinion/25chile-pinera-crisis.html?searchResultPosition=1

it's the same tactic they used to belittle the mass iraq war protests

# ? Oct 27, 2019 02:47

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/Daniel_IV_/status/1188055407752876036

# ? Oct 27, 2019 06:15

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1188119851287678976

# ? Oct 27, 2019 06:26

01011001: Dec 26, 2012

that is an absolutely staggering number of people, good lord

# ? Oct 27, 2019 06:28

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

comedyblissoption posted:

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1188119851287678976

quote:

Friedman actually hated Pinochet since he is an authoritarian which is antithesis of liberalism.

quote:
You folks on the left especially will know about Milton a lot of things that ain't so, such as that he advised the Chilean dictatorship of Pinochet. Yes, I realize the Chicago-Boys-with-Milton is the premise of numerous fine articles in the New York Review of Books. But they and you are wrong. Milton didn't do it. He has in fact been notably careful about advising any government, including even the American one...

Chicago had of course a connection to Chile, but Milton was not it: Al Harberger and Larry Sjaastad and Gregg Lewis were; not Milton. I, Deirdre McCloskey, probably taught more future Chilean economists associated with torturing and murdering citizens in soccer stadiums than Milton did, as did many of us, to our regret...(Yet it needs to be realized that the connection was formed originally with a free country, before Pinochet, just as Harvard had a connection with a free government in Venezuela, say, or with Pakistan before the generals, and a little after. And the economic advice that Chicago economists gave to Chile was very, very good: witness Chile now.)

http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/milton.php

quote:
He turned down two honorary degrees from Chilean universities because they were state universities under Pinochet. He made one six-day trip to Chile in 1975 at the invitation of a private bank. He gave two lectures on the "fragility of freedom". He did have a brief meeting with Pinochet and wrote a letter to Pinochet afterwards urging "shock treatment" of reduced government spending and reduced growth in the money supply in order to cure the rampant inflation then afflicting Chile. His letter contains many detailed suggestions, including a call for "generous severance allowances" for laid off government workers, and a safety net to alleviate hardship and distress among the poor. Friedman has also been criticized for helping to train some economists who served in the Pinochet government, even though teachers cannot control what their students do.

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2008/10/observations-on-the-milton-friedman-institute-at-the-university-of-chicago-becker.html

They forgot to implement Friedman's recommendations on Pinochet when doing austerity.