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Around https://twitter.com/FabianSW7/status/1187842502163865601 https://twitter.com/CmilizerForever/status/1187841143280680960 https://twitter.com/cecchi_forch/status/1187835432156958721 Temaukel fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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I get the impression that Americans underestimate how politicised the judiciary can be in Latin America, though I don't know if any are as bad as Brazil. Even the less politicised tend to bend rather than stand against the direction of the wind. However thanks to Trump, they're going to get a taste of it.
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Oct 25, 2019 23:59
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It looks like it's sort of turned for the worse in the past 20 minutes. The stream I'm watching, about 20 minutes ago the entire crowd basically fled the city circle after some large bangs, and since then it's been like a combination of semi-constant gunfire, broken bottles, broken glass, explosions, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMaSEx506p0
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Oct 26, 2019 01:22
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bagual posted:Maybe don't use theories you're not prepared to back-up as examples? I know it sounds insulting but describe Morales as bland I don't mean it as a bad thing. I want politics to be boring. It's bad when the economy goes through wild ups and downs, gangs clash in the streets, and cops throw people out of helicopters. Nobody needs that kind of excitement in their life. Morales delivered steady consistent growth and stability. I think anyone would characterize his time in office thus far as a success. Bland is good in this case. However when you look at the aggregate statistics and compare Bolivia to its neighbors, you can tell that at this rate its never going to catch up. Unless it can dramatically increase growth it's going to stay the poorest country in the region for the foreseeable future. Maybe you don't think that's a reasonable goal, but if I were Bolivian I think I'd expect the government to strive at least to match the neighbors. It's not a stinging indictment of the government that it hasn't managed that, as I said before I think Morales has been successful. It's just a bit of a let down. If you want to talk about the Bolivian economy in ways that are more in-depth than aggregate statistics, to my knowledge the most important reforms institututed by Morales were in the institution of conditional cash transfers. If you want to read about them and their impact you can check out one of these assessments. It's been a few years since I read them myself so I'll probably mix it up if I try and describe it in any detail. The basic gist of it is that Morales instituted a redistributive program similar to those that already existed in other Latin American countries with a modest but positive effect. I believe these kinds of policies help explain why Bolivia's gini coefficient has become more similar to that of his neighbors, because Morales is governing very similarly as more ideologically liberal leaders in places like Colombia. There's no reason to expect Bolivian inequality to keep dropping past it's neighbors however, because fundamentally Bolivia's economy remains very similar to them. Doctor Jeep posted:what I think is that I really don't give a poo poo if morales jiggered with the system a bit in order to get himself elected again because he'll do better than whatever his opponents would've done in power Why have I gone through the effort of describing how boring and technocratic Morales policies have been? Because I don't think people like Doctor Jeep understand what they're buying with their electoral jiggering. Morales Bolivia: basically a budget Peru. When you gently caress with elections and courts their is a huge cost, so you better be drat sure whatever it is its worth the price. Looking at this election The Bolivian opposition, if it had won, would have been a delicate coalition headed by the most boring-est liberal technocrat imaginable, which would have to operate under a judiciary stacked by Morales appointees and facing a legislature where Morales still has the largest party. Going into the opposition doesn't have to be the end of the world. bagual regarding your comment on Allende he didn't deserve to get got. But you can't will the USA out of existence. It might not be fair to Puerto Rico that it gets hit with hurricanes when France doesn't. That's just the way the world is though, and if a Puerto Rican politician acts like they don't have to prepare for high winds because they can just avoid hurricanes through the power of positive thinking they are loving morons. Alternatively it might not be fair to Argentinos that global creditors operate as a cartel, but goddamn, its not like its a secret. Argentina just has to operate in a world with the IMF and to a large extent that means playing by their rules. Instead they keep doing insanely dumb poo poo and then blame someone else when they predictably get slapped down. Whether its fair or deserved is irrelevant, they are clearly making bad decisions.
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Oct 26, 2019 01:33
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I left at nine and must have just missed the pacos moving in on us
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Oct 26, 2019 01:40
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Based on my casual observation, Brazil and S Korea have the most dysfunctional democratic politics. The outgoing president always get sent to jail by the new congress/president. Thailand is close behind, although I wouldn't call Thailand functionally democratic.
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Oct 26, 2019 02:05
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whatever7 posted:Based on my casual observation, Brazil and S Korea have the most dysfunctional democratic politics. The outgoing president always get sent to jail by the new congress/president. Uhhh no this only happened to Lula. Even Collor, the President who got impeached in 1992, eventually returned to the scene as a senator.
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Oct 26, 2019 02:14
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Zotix posted:It looks like it's sort of turned for the worse in the past 20 minutes. The stream I'm watching, about 20 minutes ago the entire crowd basically fled the city circle after some large bangs, and since then it's been like a combination of semi-constant gunfire, broken bottles, broken glass, explosions, etc. The retreat by the crowd was remarkably calm.
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Oct 26, 2019 02:20
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I get the feeling this is gonna get ugly fast
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Oct 26, 2019 04:10
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unwantedplatypus posted:I get the feeling this is gonna get ugly fast Well, Piñera has been going for a conciliatory tone as of late (to little effect) which makes me think he's unlikely to go full Assad right now.
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Oct 26, 2019 04:45
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Even Lula seems to have about break even odds of having his name cleared, and the dignity he has shown throughout the process is pretty inspiring. I’m currently living in SP, overseeing bits of a Brazilian subsidiary of the Chinese company I work for. The local management team is about 50% full communism now and 50% pro Bolsonaro (the workforce is p much 100% full communism now, it’s a very woke place), and yet everyone somehow functions and mostly works together OK. I don’t understand this country yet, but it seems pretty nice once you overlook the high crime rate (context: before this I only lived in London, Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong, none of which is particularly dangerous normally).
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Beefeater1980 posted:I don’t understand this country yet, but it seems pretty nice once you overlook the high crime rate (context: before this I only lived in London, Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong, none of which is particularly dangerous normally). As one of Brazil's top composer once said... "Living in Brazil sucks, but it's wonderful. Living elsewhere is wonderful, but sucks." And I'm pretty sure Lula will not be released. He1s still too big a political figure, the reputation of other conservative bigshots like Moro rests entirely on being the ones who put him away, and all intitutions fear that having him free will make the chuds angry with them. Anyway, drop by the Brazil thread f you want details. ~
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Oct 26, 2019 05:51
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Squalid posted:Why have I gone through the effort of describing how boring and technocratic Morales policies have been? you haven't been describing how boring and technocratic his policies have been, you've been presenting an argument that his policies have been boring and technocratic there's a significant difference between these two statements
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Oct 26, 2019 07:25
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The Right, 2 days ago: FA, Russia and Maduro are coordinating through video games to topple democracy The Right, today: What a great non-political protest, good jobs guys. We did it, change won uwu Redczar fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 12:01
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Wait there’s a Brazil thread? Does anyone have a link?
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Oct 26, 2019 15:21
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3866293
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Oct 26, 2019 15:38
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The entire right simultaneously getting the memo that they'd always been allied with Eurasia once the millionth protester hit the streets has been a highlight of the week. At this rate 10 years from now they'll be claiming this was a conservative grassroots movement to overthrow Bachelet's third government. Bonus: https://twitter.com/FelipeOvalle/status/1188084955080986625
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Oct 26, 2019 20:39
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My mom a week ago: Macri is poo poo, he's destroying the country My mom today: Ma sí, yo voté a Macri
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Oct 27, 2019 18:53
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Pochoclo posted:My mom a week ago: Macri is poo poo, he's destroying the country My Mom: Macri is the worst and is making GBS threads on all of us but I'm going to vote for him anyway. Edit: We live in a society https://twitter.com/Bollino/status/1188502743935266817 hello i am phone fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Oct 27, 2019 |
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Oct 27, 2019 21:51
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This is exactly why Argentina is the best and worst country in the world. Poll results are standing by but the advantage for the peronists is looming
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Oct 27, 2019 23:19
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Bless our god-emperor Alberto. May he lead us to the golden path Edit: also 
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Oct 27, 2019 23:29
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https://twitter.com/AmericaElige/status/1188581314733080576
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Oct 28, 2019 01:01
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First official data says 47% for FF and 41% for Macri.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:06
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CHAU GATO!!! ANDATE BIEN A LA CONCHA DE TU VIEJA!!!
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Oct 28, 2019 01:13
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I assume an FF win is not great, not terrible.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:43
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I fully expect them to play up the "everything was great until Macri came along" angle, like Alberto said in the debate. But yeah, considering the alternative was Macri... yeesh. At least Centurion and Espert got fewer votes than Del Caño.
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Oct 28, 2019 01:49
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I assume an FF win is not great, not terrible. Basically the election was between hammering yourself in the balls and setting yourself on fire. They're both terrible but one is decidedly much worse than the other
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Oct 28, 2019 01:52
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https://twitter.com/ElVoxeador_/status/1188598490848468993 (Macri)
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Oct 28, 2019 02:28
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Well then, let's hope Alberto reigns in some of Crisgina's worst impulses. May his presidency be a good one 
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Oct 28, 2019 03:06
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No second round in Argentina? (not that it would make any difference)
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Oct 28, 2019 03:36
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Freezer posted:No second round in Argentina? (not that it would make any difference) Their system is weird where the cutoff for a runoff is 45% (or 40%+1 and a 10% difference) instead of 50%+1
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Oct 28, 2019 03:44
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So what happens now for Argentina? A new default? Anything else? (And I could use some recommendations for 19th century Argentina books)
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Oct 28, 2019 04:12
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https://twitter.com/JPSpinetto/status/1188646298611802112?s=20
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Oct 28, 2019 04:17
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Apparently we can now only buy 200 USD a month, down from 10k USD. El blues se va al carajooooooo A runoff wouñdve been for Fernandez almost certainly. 1% from the far left, and at least 1% from Lavagna. 54/46 something like that I guess Mr. Nemo fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 04:42
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wait, if his name is alberto, why is the acronym FF his middle name is angel, so that can't be it
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Oct 28, 2019 05:11
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(Alberto) Fernandez (Cristina) Fernandez (de Kirchner)
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Oct 28, 2019 05:15
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GreyjoyBastard posted:wait, if his name is alberto, why is the acronym FF I think you're confused, the person who just got elected is Cristina
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Oct 28, 2019 08:50
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Press F for Argentina.
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Oct 28, 2019 10:39
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https://imgur.com/a/7Dz29Nu It's no Irish Simpsons Fans but there's a strong meme game going on
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