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Zotix posted:Why do Democrats easily resign? Like the Katie hill situation? Or Al Franken? Like I just don't see Republicans throwing in the towel so easily, why do the Dems just roll over and take it? The Republicans just say screw it we will let the voters decide. Republicans do not feel shame
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Stereotype posted:This isn’t a normal boss/employee relationship though. Literally every boss who has ever hosed their employee thought this
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Stereotype posted:Republicans do not feel shame It just feels like one team handicaps themselves while the other just says gently caress it.
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Zotix posted:It just feels like one team handicaps themselves while the other just says gently caress it. hosed up how one side at least occasionally has morals, can someone explain to me why they don't abandon those values?
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Zotix posted:Why do Democrats easily resign? Like the Katie hill situation? Or Al Franken? Like I just don't see Republicans throwing in the towel so easily, why do the Dems just roll over and take it? The Republicans just say screw it we will let the voters decide. Do you want to hold your chosen group's members up to higher ethical standards or not? This is like saying "why should we adhere to the Geneva convention when ISIS/Al-Qaeda/the Taliban do not?"
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Stereotype posted:This isn’t a normal boss/employee relationship though. 2 years is about how often people switch jobs anyways, so it's not that temporary compared to other careers. The idea that its ok because it's temporary, is literally the logic of bosses who gently caress their interns. And loving every company in the world likes to sell the idea that they are a "team". She was the elected representative--she was the boss, and it is gross as gently caress that people are trying to downplay that she was taking advantage of her position to have threesomes with her subordinates.
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terrorist ambulance posted:So no then We can't take her staff staying silent or even saying it is fine as an indication they were actually ok with it because there is no way to really know whether they are doing so because they actually didn't care or doing it to keep from getting fired.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1188566095218860032 He always gets to have the last word in every argument, that's what's so infuriating. Nobody ever gets to push back against him with a fact-check, and on the off chance that some interviewer is actually on the ball enough to press him on something, he's able to just breeze past it with more gaslighting until he can get back to his Fox News IV feed. The whole idea of "fact-checking" where it's all such a lopsided conversation is just such a sad joke. President says a bunch of crazy lies that everyone hears on live national TV, newspapers publish corrections that nobody reads or people assume are lies because newspapers lie. Rinse and repeat. It's kind of insane that the demonstration we've just had at the baseball game is that that is the form that it takes when Trump comes into irrefutable contact with a counterargument that he can't parry or ignore. That is what the only form of effective rhetorical pushback against him is. A crowd that is not in his pocket, reacting organically to him, and this time he doesn't even have a microphone.
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OctaMurk posted:to have threesomes with her subordinates. protip: do not say people in relationships with multiple people are just 'having threesomes'
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Shifty Pony posted:We can't take her staff staying silent or even saying it is fine as an indication they were actually ok with it because there is no way to really know whether they are doing so because they actually didn't care or doing it to keep from getting fired. Yes, but you cant also assume that they're literal children legally incapable of consent, either. Yes you shouldn't sleep with your staff. That's not good. Its unethical and bad. Was someone actually harmed by it though? or is it just bad faith lovely ex husband revenge porning her and the ethics in political journalism crowd picking it up and running with it. Big difference between those two
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Please don’t gloss over the fact revenge porn was used by the conservative side to help force her resignation. Yes, she hosed up. But this whole thing played out in the ugliest way possible in the news.
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Retro42 posted:Please don’t gloss over the fact revenge porn was used by the conservative side to help force her resignation. Yes, she hosed up. But this whole thing played out in the ugliest way possible in the news. Also yes the husband is a criminal
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eke out posted:protip: do not say people in relationships with multiple people are just 'having threesomes' protip: don't begin any kind of sexual relationship with your subordinates after they start working with you, whether it's threesomes or 'polyamory' or whatever you want to call it.
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eke out posted:hi op, republicans are bad people 
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terrorist ambulance posted:Also yes the husband is a criminal one good thing is it should be easier to prosecute/sue (probably first one, then the other) that guy now that she's out of office OctaMurk posted:whether it's threesomes or 'polyamory' or whatever you want to call it. lol thanks for clarifying you actually meant your dumb statement
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Ice Phisherman posted:Take a look at the shirt. The mouth is a smile. The teeth are his name. Everything else is black. if I remember my NXT right (and its been a loving while since I've watched WWE at any level) ACH's gimmick was "dude who smiles a ton" (ACH is a force of habit, that was his pre-WWE name) not the best gimmick though his last gimmick was being a creepy stalker with a pipe wrench in ROH
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1188796087366279168?s=19 He was one of Bolton's deputies who was scheduled to testify today. His excuse is he's getting conflicting advice and doesn't know what to do and wants a judge to decide.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I do hope Hill goes after the conservative websites that published the revenge porn Considering California has a law against revenge porn, I think she's definitely got a good case. Personally, I hope she loving sues RedState for all they're worth.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1188796087366279168?s=19 “excuse”
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Considering California has a law against revenge porn, I think she's definitely got a good case. Personally, I hope she loving sues RedState for all they're worth. Did they censor it? And if they did, does that cover their bases legally?
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Did they censor it? And if they did, does that cover their bases legally? the law makes it clearly criminal to do what her ex did, but when it comes to suing media companies who publish things, things get Much More Complicated. i would assume she will not be suing media companies for this, just her ex, but it's very complicated (e.g.: what about the Daily Mail, based in the UK, publishing those pics? maybe that's more doable under the very different defamation laws, maybe not, i dunno)
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terrorist ambulance posted:Yes, but you cant also assume that they're literal children legally incapable of consent, either. Are you serious right now? Like, I get with impeachment we get a lot of new people in the thread but come the gently caress on? A relationship built upon the boss/subordinate dynamic is inherently abusive because the subordinate has almost no power in the relationship due to potential repercussions in their job. Pair this with how incestuous congressional staffing is in DC and you have an environment ripe for abuse. So yes, people are harmed by it. The other staffers were harmed by it, the people involved were harmed by it. These relationships cause harm. The revenge porn is bad, but what she did was also bad. She should be gone for the same reason Franken needed to go. Abusive, predatory behavior has no place in a position of public trust. Yes, it sucks that this happens and only the Democratic Party seems to have to follow these rules, but that's how this rolls out when the opposition party has no ethics or morals.
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friendbot2000 posted:Are you serious right now? Like, I get with impeachment we get a lot of new people in the thread but come the gently caress on? A relationship built upon the boss/subordinate dynamic is inherently abusive because the subordinate has almost no power in the relationship due to potential repercussions in their job. Pair this with how incestuous congressional staffing is in DC and you have an environment ripe for abuse. So yes, people are harmed by it. The other staffers were harmed by it, the people involved were harmed by it. These relationships cause harm. You can’t equate the two though. What she did was bad judgement and dumb but not illegal. Revenge porn is a crime.
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Whenever I hear about people being "deposed" I keep thinking of it in the old sense.
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alpha_destroy posted:The key to understanding the WWE thing is that the fans are, well, poor. And also the fans are not nearly as white as the ownership, obviously. ^this One of the things that I have learned over the years is that wrestling fans are by and large far more cool and pro-wrestler working and healthcare rights then you would ever expect, and actively poo poo on the WWE and Vince for being awful while supporting wrestlers that speak out. So the democratic lean doesn't surprise me
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Zotix posted:It just feels like one team handicaps themselves while the other just says gently caress it. you don't get to say that you care about principles if you ditch those principles because other people don't care about them. it doesn't matter what the other team says or does, gently caress them, we know they are shitheads. it is important to do the right thing for internal reasons, because it is the right thing to do, and not simply to contrast yourselves as more of a principles-carer than the bad team making the right decision is difficult, and often has consequences that suck to endure. if doing the right thing were easier than doing the wrong thing, more people would do the right thing. because it is painful to do the right thing, or because other people do the wrong thing and gain the benefits, is not an excuse to do the wrong thing there are plenty of people who can take on elected positions who, ideally, do not make questionable or harmful decisions in their personal sex lives. there's no need to circle the wagons and defend a sex pest, even if their sex pestery is relatively benign Retro42 posted:You can’t equate the two though. What she did was bad judgement and dumb but not illegal. Revenge porn is a crime. nobody is equating the two, they are two distinct bad acts. we don't have to care about the revenge porn aspect when pointing out that, in isolation, sleeping with your employees is bad and unworthy conduct of an elected official. the fact that this behavior was exposed through a separate, awful criminal act in which the elected official is a victim, does not matter regarding if she should vacate her position Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1188790689645109250 I think this will end up being the party line for the dems. It's pathetic, and I wish our leadership wasn't so damp and useless. It's not strength to be "respectful," you enormous centrist boob, it's cowardice. I mean, you all know this already, but it's still frustrating and the McDonald's I'm sitting at doesn't care.
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New take from Toilet Paper USA https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1188803680029548544
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Ershalim posted:https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1188790689645109250 gently caress that. Hell I bet there were at least a few Congressmen at the game booing as loud as anyone else.
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Ershalim posted:https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1188790689645109250
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Retro42 posted:Hell I bet there were at least a few Congressmen at the game booing as loud as anyone else. I hope so. I'd love to see some of the spit-fires get into a row on the talk show circuit and give a flat out "gently caress you" to decorum. But I've only seen the Sen. Coons way so far.
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BigglesSWE posted:For being a country that is, in theory, built around the idea that monarchy is a tyrannical system, there sure are a lot of Americans who are all for treating their president like a king. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HF3dXqXQM0 e: dammit the time code isn't cooperating, jump to 2:09
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Retro42 posted:You can’t equate the two though. What she did was bad judgement and dumb but not illegal. Revenge porn is a crime. Nobody is equating the two. Both things are bad. Having a relationship with your employee is bad. Posting revenge porn is bad. Nobody is saying they are just as bad. They are both bad.
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Ershalim posted:https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1188790689645109250 He's disrespecting (and disgracing, and defacing, and destroying) the office by his own actions. He deserves absolutely no respect whatsoever. Also he's encouraged (and even led?) chants of 'Lock Her Up' for his political opponents, and his twitter calls for more such actions. He doesn't deserve chants of 'Lock Him Up', he deserves TO BE locked up.
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If the democrats follow up on this dumbass "the office must be respected!" line then just gently caress them. No one owes anyone respect just for being rich or powerful. gently caress the hell off
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Good or Bad idea? Bad idea for intelligence procedure reasons, like the time he released that photo of the Iranian launch facility and ended up clocking one of our spy sats.
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Retro42 posted:You can’t equate the two though. What she did was bad judgement and dumb but not illegal. Revenge porn is a crime. What she did is sexual harassment and abuse. She groomed a subordinate into her and her husband's sex games, and then dumped them both to pursue a different abusive relationship with another subordinate. All while being a loving congresswoman. So not only is she a predator, she is dumb as rocks for somehow thinking this would not explode in her face.
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Zotix posted:Why do Democrats easily resign? Like the Katie hill situation? Or Al Franken? Like I just don't see Republicans throwing in the towel so easily, why do the Dems just roll over and take it? The Republicans just say screw it we will let the voters decide. "Don't be the change you want to see in the world." - Zotix
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