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Really, if you want a simplified nugget of the good/bad of the Hong Kong protests badempanada did a video on it. https://youtu.be/ReTrc_C2Xnc
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Oct 28, 2019 23:59
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Is there such a thing as a bad empanada? I'm not sure.
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Oct 29, 2019 00:00
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Lambert posted:Is there such a thing as a bad empanada? I'm not sure. I assume he's part German and it's an empanada you eat in the bath.
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Oct 29, 2019 00:01
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Modest Mao posted:tbh most people in this thread seem to speak the language and know the history while gbs is more the 3 months in shenzhen english teacher World's Top China Expert can't pronounce the street they live on type Really I would flip that
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Oct 29, 2019 00:02
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Yeah, it's obvious Fojar has the most expertise when it comes to China and what does and doesn't constitute a US war crime (the US didn't commit any war crimes).
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Oct 29, 2019 00:04
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3 month expat tour is a lot better than Canadian/Australian goons who overheard their mainland friend's anecdotal stories.
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Oct 29, 2019 00:19
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BrokenGameboy posted:Really, if you want a simplified nugget of the good/bad of the Hong Kong protests badempanada did a video on it. He's not totally wrong, but the idea that HKers should be smashing the state and taking territory to make their protest more meaningful is kinda stupid, the movement would've been immediately shut down with more draconian laws if that were to happen, and the movement wouldn't have lasted as long for the Blizzard/NBA poo poo to happen at all. Weekend/Instagram protest is a thing for some and and not representative of everyone. The entire second half of the video was just about online and mainstream media reaction to the protests rather than about the protest movement itself
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Oct 29, 2019 00:21
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Also, and most notably, Apple.
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Oct 29, 2019 00:24
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Modest Mao posted:tbh most people in this thread seem to speak the language and know the history why do people keep assuming this
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Oct 29, 2019 00:50
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Bloodnose posted:"chinar" is definitely a lol foreign accent thing and racist Many sides
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Oct 29, 2019 01:03
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BrokenGameboy posted:Really, if you want a simplified nugget of the good/bad of the Hong Kong protests badempanada did a video on it. My criticism is: he goes too far attributing colonialism on its own but that colonial attitudes come to play when there are geopolitical goals at stake. It isn't just that Hong Kong was colonized and is more Western, but that the PRC has gone off the Beltway script and needs to be brought back in line and Hong Kong is a convenient tool to do so. (It is also why the US media has treated protests in Latin America were much only on their geopolitical/ideology compatibility with the goals of the US.)
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Oct 29, 2019 01:29
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i don't know anything about china, i just know taiwan. (c-spam get mad at me) Sorry. Im sorry. Im trying to remove it
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Oct 29, 2019 04:28
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So what do we actually know for certain about what's happening in Xinjiang? I don't really care what you call it, but what legitimate primary sources do we have regarding the situation? Sorry for bringing this up again, I'm just annoyed that the only things people pass around are secondary sources like news articles.
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Oct 29, 2019 04:52
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BrokenGameboy posted:So what do we actually know for certain about what's happening in Xinjiang? I don't really care what you call it, but what legitimate primary sources do we have regarding the situation? Sorry for bringing this up again, I'm just annoyed that the only things people pass around are secondary sources like news articles. Many news articles have interviewed current and former residents of Xinjiang, have you started with those?
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Oct 29, 2019 05:03
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I know they exists, and I'm not saying they're inherently wrong. But for the sake of this, I'm working from the perspective of super skepticism. As such, I want to see what we know in terms of legitimate/verifiable sources.
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Oct 29, 2019 05:14
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Oct 29, 2019 06:16
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BrokenGameboy posted:I know they exists, and I'm not saying they're inherently wrong. But for the sake of this, I'm working from the perspective of super skepticism. As such, I want to see what we know in terms of legitimate/verifiable sources. lol
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Oct 29, 2019 06:23
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BrokenGameboy posted:I know they exists, and I'm not saying they're inherently wrong. thank marx someone finally agrees with me that leftist concentration camps have many beneficial aspects to them and the west is mainly against them because they are teaching prisoners marxism
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Oct 29, 2019 07:02
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Ok. I think people are getting me confused. Concentration camps are inherently unambiguously wrong. What I meant was that I know interviews with people exist, and that I'm not saying they're inherently cia plants or whatever.
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Oct 29, 2019 07:15
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who cares
Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 08:00 on Oct 29, 2019 |
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Oct 29, 2019 07:16
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Typo posted:thank marx someone finally agrees with me that leftist concentration camps have many beneficial aspects to them and the west is mainly against them because they are teaching prisoners marxism when Typo writes this, you know someone has gone off the deep end
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Oct 29, 2019 07:21
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sincx posted:Satellite images show buildings that really really look like mass incarceration camps suddenly popped up all over Xinjiang right when news about mass incarcerations of Uighurs started circulating. The BBC went on one of these tours, what I think is interesting is that they also returned without permission a short while later - and saw the "prisoners" getting on busses and going home.
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Oct 29, 2019 07:33
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The commonly agreed facts are that the camps exist, are for reeducation (or vocational training + building patriotism), and are being filled with Uyghurs. Western powers are going to allege the number of people are severity of the reeducation are more than what China is admitting, and that it's an intentionally anti-islamic ethnic cleansing
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Oct 29, 2019 07:41
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that's one of the biggest mistakes people make. This isn't islamophobia, it's not religious chauvanism, it's explicitly racism. The Hui are a much larger Muslim group than the Uyghurs but don't suffer this kind of persecution and genocide because they're essentially Han.
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Oct 29, 2019 08:06
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Bloodnose posted:that's one of the biggest mistakes people make. This isn't islamophobia, it's not religious chauvanism, it's explicitly racism. The Hui are a much larger Muslim group than the Uyghurs but don't suffer this kind of persecution and genocide because they're essentially Han. correct
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Oct 29, 2019 08:07
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Bloodnose posted:that's one of the biggest mistakes people make. This isn't islamophobia, it's not religious chauvanism, it's explicitly racism. The Hui are a much larger Muslim group than the Uyghurs but don't suffer this kind of persecution and genocide because they're essentially Han. Racism doesn't make sense as a motivation because the PRC is 70 years old and the discussed situation is at most like five. This is a response to turkistan islamic party and etc. Modest Mao posted:The commonly agreed facts are that the camps exist, are for reeducation (or vocational training + building patriotism), and are being filled with Uyghurs. More than that, grifters and feds are using social media to push very sinister ideas. There's an entire cottage industry of twitter accounts stealing innocuous tiktok videos, sometimes dubbing sinister music over them and claiming that they're recordings of atrocities and brainwashing. A popular theme is alcohol consumption. Grandma chugging a beer while her friend eggs her on? That becomes her being "forced to consume alcohol to prove loyalty to the communists". That most Uyghur muslims don't follow islam's prohibition of alcohol is conveniently ignored. There's also a growing trend of people claiming they're death camps, including at least one falun gong front org that managed to recycle the organ stealing thing and get it into the western press last month. HorseLord has issued a correction as of 09:01 on Oct 29, 2019 |
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Oct 29, 2019 08:53
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HorseLord posted:Racism doesn't make sense as a motivation because the PRC is 70 years old and the discussed situation is at most like five. actually, china has 5,000 years of history
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Oct 29, 2019 08:54
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Bloodnose posted:that's one of the biggest mistakes people make. This isn't islamophobia, it's not religious chauvanism, it's explicitly racism. The Hui are a much larger Muslim group than the Uyghurs but don't suffer this kind of persecution and genocide because they're essentially Han.
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Oct 29, 2019 09:22
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Venom Snake posted:*extremely taiwanese/hong kong voice* i am an authentic chinese so you must respect my opinion also eisenhower should have let mccarthur turn all those filthy main-lander peasants into radioactive ash actually, the new thing is to emphasize Austronesian ancestry and claim to be SE Asian to disassociate Chineseness
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Oct 29, 2019 09:32
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HorseLord posted:There's also a growing trend of people claiming they're death camps, including at least one falun gong front org that managed to recycle the organ stealing thing and get it into the western press last month. is the death camp thing something that actually shows up in news outlets because from what ive seen what they usually do is make sure every other sentence contains the word genocide while being very careful to avoid contextualizing it at all so readers just assume theyre referring to death camps since thats normally the only time the word is ever used
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Oct 29, 2019 09:49
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Found one article calling death camp in quotes: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12249797&ref=rss Seems to relate back to the organ harvesting stuff, with story of a prisoner who on his first day had to give urine and blood samples as well as his eyes and other internal organs being inspected.
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Oct 29, 2019 10:02
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Lady Galaga posted:story of a prisoner who on his first day had to give urine and blood samples as well as his eyes and other internal organs being inspected. Just goes to show how well these patriotic students are taken care of, in America you would need to pay thousands of dollars for those tests
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Oct 29, 2019 10:09
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Bloodnose posted:that's one of the biggest mistakes people make. This isn't islamophobia, it's not religious chauvanism, it's explicitly racism. The Hui are a much larger Muslim group than the Uyghurs but don't suffer this kind of persecution and genocide because they're essentially Han. See this is where I disagree. What China doesn't allow, is not religion, is a blend of religion that pledge royal to foreign states. The water down version of islam the Uyghurs used to practiced was okay. But authentic Sunni Islam is not okay. This is what CCP trying to brain wash away. Also Uyghurs got targets because their local culture hasn't "submitted to Han dominace" the same way other minorities do, or the native Indians do to the Whites in the US. Maybe you can call it racism. But the motivation is not racism.
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Oct 29, 2019 10:29
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what is authentic sunni islam can you give some examples of what the new hip uyghur take on islam is more similar to compared to the old one
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Oct 29, 2019 10:37
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It could be racism and Islamophobia at the same time
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Oct 29, 2019 10:39
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5 pillars of Islam, strict dress code for women, Sharia law, big rear end beard....
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Oct 29, 2019 10:40
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Love to hear goons tell me what real Islam is like.
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Oct 29, 2019 10:42
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How do you say thisHorseLord posted:Racism doesn't make sense as a motivation because the PRC is 70 years old and the discussed situation is at most like five. HorseLord posted:This is a response to turkistan islamic party and etc.
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Oct 29, 2019 10:54
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Bloodnose posted:How do you say this They've literally committed terrorist attacks this decade and have an active presence as far as Syria.
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Oct 29, 2019 11:04
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2 dudes chillin in Syria ain't an active presence
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Oct 29, 2019 12:06
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