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jivjov posted:Possible Rise of Skywalker spoiler below, gonna put the whole thing behind spoiler tags just in case, but it's all speculation based off a book cover. Now semi-confirmed. (Casting news) http://epicstream.com/news/JudithAnneDelaCruz/Denis-Lawson-To-Reprise-His-Role-As-Wedge-Antilles-In-Rise-Of-Skywalker
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Teek posted:Beyond the Chewie death, my one major memory of Vector Prime was Steve Sansweet yelling at Salvatore for some reason in the hallways of San Diego Comic Con in 2000 after a book panel. Still have no idea what that was about. Well, now we know who robbed Rancho Obi-Wan. There was an interview with Salvatore a few years ago that revealed a lot of drama behind the scenes of Vector Prime that I hadn't heard of before, like that there was originally a different author who dropped out late in the process and Salvatore was a last-minute replacement. I know Salvatore also wanted to kill Lando off instead of Chewie.
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Oct 7, 2019 23:29
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thrawn527 posted:Now semi-confirmed. (Casting news) Rebel Force Radio is a very dubious source...but combined with all the poo poo I had under my spoiler tags I'm willing to believe.
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Oct 7, 2019 23:57
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Chairman Capone posted:Most of these book announcements are good, I liked Most Wanted but do wish Fry would come back for the novelization, but... I really wish Zahn would move on from Thrawn stuff. The 2016 Thrawn novel was fine, and that was really the high point for like the last decade of Zahn Thrawn, pre or post reboot. The killer is that I really liked Scoundrels, and it showed to me that Zahn has a lot of good stuff left in him, but I think Thrawn is just such a crutch for him now it dulls his creativity or something. This is about where I’m at, as well. I enjoyed his first Thrawn book, got bored with the second and didn’t even read the third. He’s a great author but there has to be so much more to write about that just thrawn.
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Oct 8, 2019 01:07
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Zahn's writing has gotten both stale and bad. He's very candid about there being nothing really new in his new canon novels compared to the original Thrawn trilogy, as far as characters and narrative go. At least in interviews, he parrots the disney line about how the exciting part of Star Wars is how the media is all interconnected. His contemporary works certainly come off as concerned primarily with fitting into the disney machine rather than telling a compelling story, which describes pretty much all the new books as well as other media. It's a shame.
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Oct 8, 2019 01:15
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Treason was pretty good. Outside of a few bits Alliances didn't have much going for it. I think a novel among the Chiss could be pretty good since it would give him plenty of room to breath rather than being hemmed in by the story group. Luceno is an excellent author too, but he didn't do so well under a tight mandate. I never finished Catalyst. I finished Galaxy's Edge: Black Spire last week. It was pretty good for something commissioned as a theme park tie-in. It's a direct sequel to Phasma which was also good. There is some incongruity in the plot though. The main outline could almost be a YA novel, and bits that suggest that it is sneak in once in a while, but then you have a couple of pretty brutal torture scenes. Edit: As to the Luke, Leia, and Han novels that snuck into the new continuity, they were all pretty forgettable. I recall that the Han one was probably the best of the lot, but I can barely remember what any of them was about. I think the Leia one was probably the worst of them. Though what do you expect from stories set between ANH and ESB involving main characters? Nothing groundbreaking or with lasting consequences. Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Oct 8, 2019 01:28
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Casimir Radon posted:Edit: As to the Luke, Leia, and Han novels that snuck into the new continuity, they were all pretty forgettable. I recall that the Han one was probably the best of the lot, but I can barely remember what any of them was about. I think the Leia one was probably the worst of them. Though what do you expect from stories set between ANH and ESB involving main characters? Nothing groundbreaking or with lasting consequences. Only the Luke one is part of the Story Group Canon. The Han and Leia novels are back in Legends. The only things that exist in both continuities are Episodes I-VI, Clone Wars Seasons 1-6, and the Son of Dathomir comic arc from Dark Horse
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Oct 8, 2019 01:49
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Casimir Radon posted:Edit: As to the Luke, Leia, and Han novels that snuck into the new continuity, they were all pretty forgettable. I recall that the Han one was probably the best of the lot, but I can barely remember what any of them was about. I think the Leia one was probably the worst of them. Though what do you expect from stories set between ANH and ESB involving main characters? Nothing groundbreaking or with lasting consequences.
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Oct 8, 2019 02:10
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I remember the name, and I remember most of the action took place on some space station. That's about it. Pretty telling when you're disappointed in a SW novel not long after FOTJ wrapped up.jivjov posted:Only the Luke one is part of the Story Group Canon. The Han and Leia novels are back in Legends. The only things that exist in both continuities are Episodes I-VI, Clone Wars Seasons 1-6, and the Son of Dathomir comic arc from Dark Horse
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Oct 8, 2019 02:16
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Razor's Edge was good because a) it was a self-contained story that didn't need the weight of a million tie-ins inflating it b) it captured the young Leia character better than any other book c) the Leia-Han dynamic was good without either hitting you over the head with their nascent feelings or being heavy-handed d) the narrative captured the sloppy scrambling of the young rebellion really well e) the author, Martha Wells, is an anthropologist and known for writing realistic-feeling fiction, and she does a good job of evoking the tone of ANH and ESB, plus she uses actual readable prose The weak points were a simplistic primary moral crisis and a telegraphed betrayal, both to do with supporting characters rather than the big three. Shame it got lost in the disney transition and is consequently one of the least-read SW novels. It's better by leagues than most of them.
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VaultAggie posted:This is about where I’m at, as well. I enjoyed his first Thrawn book, got bored with the second and didn’t even read the third. He’s a great author but there has to be so much more to write about that just thrawn. That's why he needs to reintroduce Mara Jade. 
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Oct 8, 2019 02:33
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Xenomrph posted:That's why he needs to reintroduce Mara Jade. I'm not even sure what you'd do with Mara Jade. The character was created to be a foil to Luke Skywalker (and not so subtly to be pushed towards being his love interest) but The Last Jedi pretty much takes a lot of the wind out of that sail, both in terms of what Luke has to confront and that we know the closest Luke Skywalker came to getting laid was drinking milk right from the space yak. You could do a cool character still but she'd have about as much to do with Mara Jade as anyone else.
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Oct 8, 2019 02:39
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ImpAtom posted:I'm not even sure what you'd do with Mara Jade. The character was created to be a foil to Luke Skywalker (and not so subtly to be pushed towards being his love interest) but The Last Jedi pretty much takes a lot of the wind out of that sail, both in terms of what Luke has to confront and that we know the closest Luke Skywalker came to getting laid was drinking milk right from the space yak. Don't care, I want Mara Jade back. I figure you could use her similar to how she got used in the Thrawn trilogy, you just don't turn her into a love interest I guess. Have her around as the Emperor's Hand, doing clandestine stuff for the Empire during the movie timeline, and then after ROTJ she's part of "Operation Cinder" or whatever it's called in the current canon, as an assassin to try and take down Luke or other key Rebel/New Republic people, etc.
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Oct 8, 2019 02:46
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Where was it established that Luke dies a virgin? Even in the books and comics he's had at least a few flirty relationships, and we all know flirting is the Star Wars equivalent of loving. Even if she didn't end up marrying him and having a kid I don't see what would be so hard about including Mara in the new post-ROTJ timeline. She could join the Church of the Force instead of Karrde's crew/the New Jedi and it would be about the same. Though I actually really did think that Shira Brie would reappear at one point in the new comics.
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Oct 8, 2019 04:58
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Lumiya is way too tied to LOTF for me to ever think she's a good character. Maybe I'll reread Razor's Edge. It's been 5 years and the new continuity is less of an unknown quantity.
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Oct 8, 2019 05:05
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Disney is going to mine Thrawn to death aren't they?  ImpAtom posted:I'm not even sure what you'd do with Mara Jade. The character was created to be a foil to Luke Skywalker (and not so subtly to be pushed towards being his love interest) but The Last Jedi pretty much takes a lot of the wind out of that sail, both in terms of what Luke has to confront and that we know the closest Luke Skywalker came to getting laid was drinking milk right from the space yak. You can reintroduce her and she can hook up with Kyle Katarn. :whoop:
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Oct 8, 2019 09:14
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Casimir Radon posted:Lumiya is way too tied to LOTF for me to ever think she's a good character. I had never actually read the original Marvel comics with her until a few years ago, and I was surprised by how good her storyline was, especially in the context of a 70s/80s movie tie-in comic. LOTF definitely did not do her justice (but then again that's pretty much the LOTF byline). Those original Marvel comics were all much better than I expected them to be. Darth TNT posted:You can reintroduce her and she can hook up with Kyle Katarn. :whoop: The Cassian Andor show will have Kyle Katarn be one of his code-names.
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I wonder if Thrass will make an appearance in the new Thrawn books. And if he’ll suffer an equally ignoble end. I keep hoping the ozyly-esehembo will have a larger place in the narrative. I initially assumed the girls were being poisoned and/or trafficked to keep them from banding together and threatening the Council of Families. That, along with the idea that one or more of the girls could have been made a replacement for Mara Jade, appears to have been jossed. I assume we’ll see one or two Navigators in a Chiss-focused trilogy. I would like to know more about how using pre-teen girls as organic navicomputers is supposed to actually work. How are they identified? How are they taught? What happens to them after they’re removed from active duty? Was Thrawn one of them, at one point? Probably questions that will go unanswered, but I can dream.
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My Star Wars obsession was starting to fade a bit five or six years ago, and then it basically stopped entirely when Disney announced that the EU was dead. I've seen the new movies but that's it. I was recently opening a box of books that I had forgotten in my last move, and I found a bunch of EU books. I've been skimming I, Jedi. Goddamn, I thought Corran Horn was a little full of himself even the first time I read this thing nearly 20 years ago as a kid, he is kind of insufferable as an adult. Oof. Should I give new continuity a chance? Have they let Stover write any of the new books? Reading his great Star Wars stuff is what led me to his incredible original stuff. Unrelated to anything else, I agree with others that the NJO series was awesome for what it was and love that phrasing of it being a "victory lap for the old EU." There were some bad books and bad elements but wasn't it, like, 22 goddamn installments by more than a dozen authors?
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surf rock posted:My Star Wars obsession was starting to fade a bit five or six years ago, and then it basically stopped entirely when Disney announced that the EU was dead. I've seen the new movies but that's it. the thing about i, jedi is that stackpole is really savagely tearing into kevin j anderson's work with establishing luke's jedi academy, and retconning some of the major plot points. corran has never been the humblest of dudes but his attitude in that book is intended as a nod to the sort of reader that loved zahn and stackpole but found anderson to be asinine. a sort of "here, let me untangle this bullshit for you a bit, kevin" approach. stackpole's having fun sticking his rpg protagonist into a dumb plot so that he can lampshade how dumb it really is. whether this works for you probably depends on whether you still have a deep and abiding distaste for kevin j anderson
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I only dimly followed the drama but apparently stover was a party to a messy failed kickstarter a few years back and between that, the star wars gigs drying up, and continued adventures in difficulties getting caine books published, he had ample reason to go on indefinite hiatus. And it loving sucks
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Oct 18, 2019 00:10
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I can't hate Anderson because the Jedi Academy Trilogy is my kind of schlock. Lando and the blob horse races.
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Oct 18, 2019 00:13
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Anderson has his faults bit at least he aimed for Star Wars to be fun. Compared to Denning he's a saint.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I can't hate Anderson because the Jedi Academy Trilogy is my kind of schlock. Lando and the blob horse races. I've said it before but it feels like the blob races were cut and pasted clumsily in from another, better book.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I only dimly followed the drama but apparently stover was a party to a messy failed kickstarter a few years back and between that, the star wars gigs drying up, and continued adventures in difficulties getting caine books published, he had ample reason to go on indefinite hiatus. And it loving sucks Oh dang, do you know where one could find more info about that? I remember there being a Kickstarter and pledging to it, but then nothing coming of it. It seems weird that it would be that messy, though, since you get your money back if a Kickstarter receives insufficient pledges...
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I remember someone involved with the thing (maybe also an illustrator for Stover?) saying a few things online a few years ago, but I have no idea what it was any more. I do remember Stover pretty definitively saying he was done with Star Wars not super long ago, either. When it comes to the Zahn/Stackpole vs. KJA fan divide, I will say that I have only ever heard Zahn say nice things about Anderson and that they had a good working relationship. I never thought Anderson was the Star Wars Antichrist or anything, but his works were almost entirely mediocre at best, and him getting tangentially involved with the Sad Puppies at the Hugos a few years ago also soured me a bit on him. I did think it was funny that KJA specified that Luke started his Jedi Academy with twelve students, and then The Last Jedi also has Luke specifically starting with twelve students. Though I guess both probably go from the disciples of Christ.
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Zahn doesn't really talk bad about other people. Hand of Thrawn might be 900 pages of critiquing the Bantam era, but he's not the sort to openly badmouth another author.
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Long thread above the Y-Wing https://twitter.com/spaceshipsporn/status/1185963638277967873?s=19
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This is the "allowed to enjoy things" thread, right? Because the new trailer just dropped and I thought it looked pretty neat.
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I saw (very minor thing but gonna spoiler it anyway) Y-Wings and B-Wings, so hell yeah.
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fartknocker posted:I saw (very minor thing but gonna spoiler it anyway) Y-Wings and B-Wings, so hell yeah. I also spotted a U-wing when the Falcon drops into view in front of the fleet, so that’s pretty cool.
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Xenomrph posted:I also spotted a U-wing when the Falcon drops into view in front of the fleet, so that’s pretty cool. Minor spoiler also, Ghost is also to our right of the Falcon in that shot
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Just gonna spoil the whole list of things I spotted in the big fleet: Ghost (or at least another VCX-100) Multiple Pelta-class frigates from Rebels U-Wing Republic Bomber from TLJ Nebulon-B frigate Hammerhead cruiser Maybe DP-20 frigates? a bunch of new Mon Cal-looking ships Maybe a Lancer-class pursuit thing from Rebels Vigil-class corvette maaaaayyybe a YT-2400? Outside of that, there's an Episode 1 battle droid in the background behind 3PO in his closeup.
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I have to say that I was glad to see a ship from KOTOR will be in the climactic final battle of the Skywalker movies (at least until Episode X inevitably comes around).
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Rad Valtar posted:Minor spoiler also, Ghost is also to our right of the Falcon in that shot I thought that’s what that was, but I wasn’t sure.
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Moose King posted:Just gonna spoil the whole list of things I spotted in the big fleet: They had better protect the frigate at all costs.
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Hammerhead kill count O/U?
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Good riddance I say. The strength of GOT was on the performances, not the scripts. Once they ran out of books and Gurm stopped writing certain episodes it poo poo the bed hard
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"Setback" is not the term I would use. "Dodged bullet" feels more appropriate.
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