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Rent-A-Cop posted:TBF they gave clearances to Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden so maybe the IC sucks at its job. The clearance process does not cover 'do you have a conscience' it's really more about how obviously criminal and/or susceptible to outside influence you are. It's structured to try to find obvious areas that foreign governments can exert influence on people through criminality, financial issues, or family ties. There are a lot of vague loyalty questions so if you're going around telling your neighbors how you're going to screw the US government then you will probably not get a clearance. e: taxes https://twitter.com/dog_rates/status/1188860110568738819?s=20
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FlamingLiberal posted:John Yoo is on Fox this morning calling that one WH staffer who is going to testify a traitor Is he offering to torture him?
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So... is the dog's name being classified a joke? I'm super confused by this whole thing. Some military dog handler guy was on NPR this morning talking about the different roles dogs play in war, and the interviewer asked him if he knew the dog's name, and he said "sorry, we need to protect the identity of the dog." Plain as day, without a laugh or anything. Am I missing something?
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Jows posted:So... is the dog's name being classified a joke? I'm super confused by this whole thing. Some military dog handler guy was on NPR this morning talking about the different roles dogs play in war, and the interviewer asked him if he knew the dog's name, and he said "sorry, we need to protect the identity of the dog." Plain as day, without a laugh or anything. You could potentially link the name of the dog to the handler, and it was a SOF operation.
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The whistleblower process exists in the IC precisely because of Snowden, Manning, and more distantly Ellsberg. You want people to follow proper channels and not exfil information to the NY Times just because it won't get traction anywhere else. This entire Ukraine poo poo is the system working as intended. To try to say that a member of the NSC might be a foreign agent, when his work is double-checked and consensus-built with others in the IC, is some Qanon-level paranoia that I just can't engage with.
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Taerkar posted:You could potentially link the name of the dog to the handler, and it was a SOF operation. Releasing the picture is fine though
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I find it amusing that Trump keeps questioning why the whistle-blower has "vanished". It's also amusing that his supporters believe this stupidity. If the government does it's job, a whistle-blower's identity isn't revealed until the investigation reaches a deal or prosecute phase. It's just so blatantly dishonest and it really makes me question if this country is worth saving that so many people buy into this. This becomes especially important in the IC where whistle-blowers are essentially taking their lives into their own hands. There was a big federal case a few years ago where a former US attorney left to work for a private firm and began extorting private businesses and selling them the identities of whistle-blowers. That kind of poo poo is why they hide it so hard. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...foutputType=amp SchrodingersCat fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Oct 29, 2019 |
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So is the reason why Nunes/his aide hasn’t leaked it to Trump is that it would be completely obvious it was him?
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bobjr posted:So is the reason why Nunes/his aide hasn’t leaked it to Trump is that it would be completely obvious it was him? I fully believe that Trump already knows who the whistle-blower(s) is/are and it is so damaging he has to keep acting like he doesn't know.
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SchrodingersCat posted:I find it amusing that Trump keeps questioning why the whistle-blower has "vanished". It's also amusing that his supporters believe this stupidity. It's like every day there's a new concept from Elementary Civics that we suddenly have to either remedially educate half the population about or develop some kind of coping mechanism for the previously unconsidered possibility that nobody, including our elected lawmakers, has any idea what it means. (Or pretend to have no idea because it's their only option I guess)
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https://twitter.com/jillpcarter/status/1189126606293364737 Jill Carter is looking to take over for Cummings
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ManBoyChef posted:Just because the GOP is known for dirty tricks and politically motivated hatchet jobs they assume that the Democrats are doing it to them. The reality is the Democrats are pretty weak and feckless and they basically allow themselves to be walked on. They also don't know how to message anything in a helpful way. Because reality quite literally has a liberal bias, because almost everything they believe is insane poo poo that has no basis in fact
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TIL that Encephalitis can be caused by the Epstein Barr virus. Which seems oddly on point right about now.
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hellotoothpaste posted:I'll regret even engaging here, but this bothered me reading it earlier when I had poo poo to do. An acceptable level of support is providing support without making a show of needing a cookie from the marginalized community, because that makes it all about the ally rather than the community they're supposedly helping. A lot of allies don't know how to help but rather than ask, they just do stupid poo poo that is actually harmful and then get mad when the lgbt community is upset. It's taking yet another issue that isn't theirs and making it all about them. Also that's not counting the amount of "allies" that are actually posing as such to try and drive a wedge in the lgbt community.
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Trump's most liked tweet is going to be a picture of a dog. Seems like there is an animal-psychopath connection somewhere in there. Animals and beautiful babies.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:https://twitter.com/DeadlineWH/status/1188939482428530693?s=20 The one thing I'd note about Costa is he's very closely linked to the Paul Ryan wing of the GOP, so he's going to be talking to the senators that are the most "concerned" rather than the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts.
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evilweasel posted:The one thing I'd note about Costa is he's very closely linked to the Paul Ryan wing of the GOP, so he's going to be talking to the senators that are the most "concerned" rather than the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts. McConnell will never let the Senate kick Trump out because this situation puts Trump entirely in his power. Mitch McConnell basically controls the entire government outside of the House of Reps. If Trump ever goes against McConnell, all McConnell has to do is intimate publically that the Senate will kick him out.
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1189165193517064192 I can't help but feel the move is highly strategic to limit the soundbite grandstanding from Meadows and Gym. It still has Nunes, but the man sounds like a buffoon every time he opens his mouth and one buffoon is better than a whole clown car of them.
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Oh my goodness, human beings wanting their efforts to be appreciated and/or acting out of ignorance? This is a shocking revelation. How terrible. I never could have imagined a significant number of people behaving in this way. Seriously though at this point I don't even know what point you've been trying to make in this thread for quite a few pages, but you mostly seem to be angry at everyone for not being paragons of humanity. gently caress, you were even angry at people putting in the exhausting effort of turning those heading down a bad right wing path in a better direction. What the hell do you even want? Because what you're demanding seems to way beyond what the people actually *in* marginalized groups seem capable of offering, some sort of perfect loyalty and efficacy asking for nothing in return, not even basic solidarity. Like I get that purely performative advocacy can be annoying but you seem to be going well past that. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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SchrodingersCat posted:McConnell will never let the Senate kick Trump out because this situation puts Trump entirely in his power. I have a very low expectation that the Senate will remove Trump, but I think you're looking at this wrong. Voting to remove, or not remove, Trump is a career-defining move. McConnell can try to persuade, but he has no ability to force Senators to vote one way or the other. Even trying to force them (either way) would be a really bad idea, as all it would do is make the Senator angry at McConnell and likely have them throw some sand in some gears somewhere to make clear to McConnell they're not to be bossed around.
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SirPablo posted:Trump's most liked tweet is going to be a picture of a dog. Seems like there is an animal-psychopath connection somewhere in there. Animals and beautiful babies. I thought we'd just finished establishing that the opposite was true
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SchrodingersCat posted:McConnell will never let the Senate kick Trump out because this situation puts Trump entirely in his power. Amazing post/username combo. McConnell can't use his power because using his power would remove his ability to use his power. I don't think even McConnell could convince Trump to change, otherwise Trump would actually be defending himself against impeachment vs. openly welcoming and shambling towards it. friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1189165193517064192 This seems like an excellent strategic move, actually.
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GlyphGryph posted:Seriously though at this point I don't even know what point you've been trying to make in this thread for quite a few pages, but you mostly seem to be angry at everyone for not being paragons of humanity. gently caress, you were even angry at people putting in the exhausting effort of turning those heading down a bad right wing path in a better direction. you're a terrible poster and you should gently caress right off and spare us the faux outrage that a lgbqt person dares ask you to be a decent human being
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GlyphGryph posted:Oh my goodness, human beings wanting their efforts to be appreciated and/or acting out of ignorance? This is a shocking revelation. How terrible. I never could have imagined a significant number of people behaving in this way. God forbid str8 yt cis people don't get a pat on the back. Honestly if you need constant validation as an ally you are asking for an unreasonable amount of emotional labor from the people whose oppression you already benefit from. Think about that for a minute. Changing the world is a thankless loving job as it is, don't expect communities of color and lgbtq people to give you the praise they aren't even getting while being even bigger targets for violence and harassment. If you are coming into social justice spaces brandishing an allyship flag and complaining because you're not being received the way you want to, perhaps it's because you are doing something wrong!
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evilweasel posted:I have a very low expectation that the Senate will remove Trump, but I think you're looking at this wrong. Voting to remove, or not remove, Trump is a career-defining move. McConnell can try to persuade, but he has no ability to force Senators to vote one way or the other. Even trying to force them (either way) would be a really bad idea, as all it would do is make the Senator angry at McConnell and likely have them throw some sand in some gears somewhere to make clear to McConnell they're not to be bossed around. McConnell is at the age where he's probably caring about his legacy and how he's viewed. Removing Trump could be possible if he thinks it will reflect well on his legacy, but most likely he'll never vote to kick him out precisely because it will ruin his legacy among republicans. This is assuming he cares what the public thinks about him. The answer here is that he doesn't really care. His approval rate in his home state is about 33%. He likes power and will do anything he can to gather more and more power to him. I don't think that McConnell can credibly threaten Trump. If threatened, Trump will cower for a few days, but he'll eventually fly into a rage about the republicans being backstabbers and deceivers and fake news or whatever. He'll jettison the republicans in order to make whoever is left fully loyal to him. McConnell can't credibly threaten Trump with leverage or blackmail or strong-arm him in the long term. In the short term, sure, but not the long term because Trump isn't a rational actor and he will mash the betray button as soon as his brainworms demand it of him.
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GlyphGryph posted:Oh my goodness, human beings wanting their efforts to be appreciated and/or acting out of ignorance? This is a shocking revelation. How terrible. I never could have imagined a significant number of people behaving in this way. I like how I'm not the only one who responded to that post but I'm the only one you came after. Someone took issue with what I said overnight, and I wanted to respond. It's an online forum, and unfortunately in America, trans rights are inherently political. I've said quite clearly what I and a lot of other trans people want when it comes to allies, you're just not comprehending. LGBT support is not about the straight allies, it's about the LGBT community. We don't want allies speaking for us, we want to speak for ourselves, because this is our fight, not yours, and poo poo like what you're doing is trying to make it about you. It's gross as hell, and I'm not sure why this is hard to understand.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1189165193517064192 yea basically the plan here is to avoid as much republican "ACTUALLY IS IT NOT TRUE YOU'RE A DEEP STATE JEW WHO HATES FREEDOM AND TRUMP????" hysterics as possible during the questioning and the Judiciary Committee is the best option for it. Nunes is gonna do his poo poo but he's one of the less effective freaks.
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sexpig by night posted:yea basically the plan here is to avoid as much republican "ACTUALLY IS IT NOT TRUE YOU'RE A DEEP STATE JEW WHO HATES FREEDOM AND TRUMP????" hysterics as possible during the questioning and the Judiciary Committee is the best option for it. Nunes is gonna do his poo poo but he's one of the less effective freaks. Intel, not judiciary. content: quote:However, there are other key Trump allies on the committee, including ranking member Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas), a former prosecutor. But some of the other Republican members on the committee, like Reps. Mike Turner of Ohio and Will Hurd of Texas, may be less reliably staunch defenders: Both have expressed concern over Trump’s communications with Ukraine.
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eke out posted:lmao we could have a "war room" to coordinate messaging with necessary parties like senate republicans or we could just throw poo poo at the wall relentlessly and see which poo poo they're willing to eat, that works too
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hellotoothpaste posted:I'll regret even engaging here, but this bothered me reading it earlier when I had poo poo to do. See, people in the LGBTQ and really any minority community would take this kinda post more seriously if it was just a kinda 'so how can I actually help my local community' and not wrapped in five layers of 'WOW I TRIED SO HARD TO BE A GOOD ALLY BUT YOU MEANIES ARE SCARING ME OFF' Like, here's a comparison that may work. You know how you think you're 'being treated like dogshit' because a single poster rolled their eyes at performative allyship? Now imagine if instead of one person online it was a huge chunk of society, and instead of making harmless 'ugh do you want a loving gold star or something' posts they were *checks notes* demanding you be treated like a second class citizen at best and just outright supporting your death at worst?
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