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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

SunAndSpring posted:

Will anti-depressants make me able to feel actual joy again? I feel so empty when doing most things these day.

Talk to your doctor

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BrokenGameboy
Jan 25, 2019

by Fluffdaddy
Sorry if this gets long or rambling.

I started looking into leftcom stuff - - maybe that was mistake number 1. And now I can't help but feel there's no point in any action, that everything might as well be on a treadmill where you can't change the outcome. I know that unlike the armchair memes they do believe in organizing, but according to them it also doesn't seem to matter unless you're in a revolutionary period. I know that to them it isn't socialism unless it eliminates the value form, but this mostly ends up being used to bash anything that doesn't end up going all the way. Like, yeah, co-ops aren't socialism in that sense, but why oppose them as a means of improving current material conditions while waiting for some eventual revolution? Same with Bernie. All this has done for me is to exacerbate my existing mental health issues. Because if their critiques are true why do anything, ever?

Does anyone have any links to legitimate criticisms against leftcoms that's not just "lol armchairs?" I just want to get myself out of this, as I seem to keep falling deeper into despair.

Edit: I can't express in words how much this stuff has been weighing on my mind. Someone help.

BrokenGameboy has issued a correction as of 20:42 on Oct 29, 2019

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

BrokenGameboy posted:

Sorry if this gets long or rambling.

I started looking into leftcom stuff - - maybe that was mistake number 1. And now I can't help but feel there's no point in any action, that everything might as well be on a treadmill where you can't change the outcome. I know that unlike the armchair memes they do believe in organizing, but according to them it also doesn't seem to matter unless you're in a revolutionary period. I know that to them it isn't socialism unless it eliminates the value form, but this mostly ends up being used to bash anything that doesn't end up going all the way. Like, yeah, co-ops aren't socialism in that sense, but why oppose them as a means of improving current material conditions while waiting for some eventual revolution? Same with Bernie. All this has done for me is to exacerbate my existing mental health issues. Because if their critiques are true why do anything, ever?

Does anyone have any links to legitimate criticisms against leftcoms that's not just "lol armchairs?" I just want to get myself out of this, as I seem to keep falling deeper into despair.

Edit: I can't express in words how much this stuff has been weighing on my mind. Someone help.
You're confusing powerlessness with meaninglessness. Change your priorities. Recognize that you neither can nor need nor should save the world. Stop expecting yourself to be able to map out the road to a perfect world in your head. You can have principles that are realistically unachievable while still living your life happily.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

SunAndSpring posted:

Will anti-depressants make me able to feel actual joy again? I feel so empty when doing most things these day.

they aren't joy pills, but they blunt the effect of the depression to where you can tolerate or even overcome it. I take sertraline and I literally cannot function without it, I just turn into a catatonic weepy mess. (Which is what I was before but now I know it can get better)

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Recognize that you neither can nor need nor should save the world.

This. this this this.

BrokenGameboy
Jan 25, 2019

by Fluffdaddy
But why have principles of there is no way to act upon them?

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

BrokenGameboy posted:

But why have principles of there is no way to act upon them?

bcz im not a bad person

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

BrokenGameboy posted:

But why have principles of there is no way to act upon them?
:confused:

Because you're a human being

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

BrokenGameboy posted:

But why have principles of there is no way to act upon them?

There is a way to act like a decent human being who believes in equity, community, and doing right by others. Our culture brainwashes you into feeling powerless unless you can personally act upon and change things, but it's many small things working in concert that actually make things better.

Start small. Maybe just get a grabber and a bag and pick up trash in your neighborhood, and if you can handle more maybe see if there are groups in your area doing things that you think are worthwhile.

Don't let the fuckers paralyze you and make you feel helpless.

thehandtruck
Mar 5, 2006

the thing about the jews is,

BrokenGameboy posted:

But why have principles of there is no way to act upon them?

This post and your other post show that you have a good heart and care about others. Your frustration is felt and you just need to channel them into your own growth first.

Also the principles are not important. What philosophical axis you (or internet weirdos) have determined is correct is also not important. What's important is trying to live your best life with the best version of you that's possible in that moment. If you feel organizing is important but aren't sure if it has substantial value to our leftist goals, do organizing 1 week and the next week give some food to a homeless person or volunteer at a shelter. That way even if you're wrong about the more cerebral things like principles, organizing, whatever, you're still literally helping others and the rest is bonus.

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

BrokenGameboy posted:

Sorry if this gets long or rambling.

I started looking into leftcom stuff - - maybe that was mistake number 1. And now I can't help but feel there's no point in any action, that everything might as well be on a treadmill where you can't change the outcome. I know that unlike the armchair memes they do believe in organizing, but according to them it also doesn't seem to matter unless you're in a revolutionary period. I know that to them it isn't socialism unless it eliminates the value form, but this mostly ends up being used to bash anything that doesn't end up going all the way. Like, yeah, co-ops aren't socialism in that sense, but why oppose them as a means of improving current material conditions while waiting for some eventual revolution? Same with Bernie. All this has done for me is to exacerbate my existing mental health issues. Because if their critiques are true why do anything, ever?

Does anyone have any links to legitimate criticisms against leftcoms that's not just "lol armchairs?" I just want to get myself out of this, as I seem to keep falling deeper into despair.

Edit: I can't express in words how much this stuff has been weighing on my mind. Someone help.

the marxist theory thread might be a good place to ask some of these questions about leftcoms
link:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3760900

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

BrokenGameboy posted:

But why have principles of there is no way to act upon them?

Because your principles worm their way into your daily actions in ways you can't see. Ethics, praxis, whatever you want to call it shape your interactions with the world. Even if you're not Saving the World™ directly, it still governs how you interact with other living organisms, your environment, etc.

At the very least, having good praxis (shut up it's a thing outside of memes ok) keeps you from making things worse.

succ
Nov 11, 2016

by Cyrano4747

Sanguinary Novel posted:

It's a real YMMV sort of thing, but I wish doctors/prescribers were a little more clear on what to truly expect from a medication. I guess I've never had anyone explain to me what the best to hope for, signs that it's not working, and signs that the dose is too high. I always end up having to google those later on.

Like the best advice I've ever gotten about if my ADHD medication dosage was high enough was monitoring my caffeine intake. If I'm drinking more coffee than usual to stay focused, chances are the dose is too low. I can't remember to look for the small things, but I can generally notice a trend of drinking more coffee during the day and in the evenings.

Agree, my doctor just gave me Effexor and I'm going back tomorrow after two weeks to check in. I'm not sure I feel any differently two weeks ago than I do now?

I wish he told me what to expect or look out for.

Chunderbucket
Aug 31, 2006

I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.

succ posted:

Agree, my doctor just gave me Effexor and I'm going back tomorrow after two weeks to check in. I'm not sure I feel any differently two weeks ago than I do now?

I wish he told me what to expect or look out for.

Feeling like a zombie, sexual endurance to the point it isn't fun, and absolutely psychotic thinking mixed in with hella brain buzzing if you stop taking it too quickly

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Chunderbucket posted:

Feeling like a zombie, sexual endurance to the point it isn't fun, and absolutely psychotic thinking mixed in with hella brain buzzing if you stop taking it too quickly

Everyone reacts differently. I couldn't feel any effects. This is the case with most medication for me though.

BrokenGameboy
Jan 25, 2019

by Fluffdaddy
I think after some self reflection,I've come to the core of my mental distress. Any advice on how to stop caring about far away issues that I have no impact on, and don't impact me? How can I make myself "let go"?

Hiro Protagonist
Oct 25, 2010

Last of the freelance hackers and
Greatest swordfighter in the world
I'm on anti-depressants and see a counselor once a week, but I have a problem I don't really know how to talk to them about. Does anyone else get upset when they see posts where people "joke" about how society is going to collapse in 50-60 years? I always get weirdly upset, as if the world is already ending and my future is inevitably nothing but terror. I know that it's not exactly a scientific or objective way to present things, and many people are working hard to make things better and I can't fall into despair, but they feel like crabs trying to pull me back into a bucket of hopelessness, and after seeing so many posts I start to internalize it.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Hiro Protagonist posted:

I'm on anti-depressants and see a counselor once a week, but I have a problem I don't really know how to talk to them about. Does anyone else get upset when they see posts where people "joke" about how society is going to collapse in 50-60 years? I always get weirdly upset, as if the world is already ending and my future is inevitably nothing but terror. I know that it's not exactly a scientific or objective way to present things, and many people are working hard to make things better and I can't fall into despair, but they feel like crabs trying to pull me back into a bucket of hopelessness, and after seeing so many posts I start to internalize it.

Why yes I do! And it's one of the reasons I made this thread. CSPAM is not very good for mental health and I suspect a lot of people claim to be joking are actually going HA HA WOO NIHILISM AM I RITE BOY HOWDY oh god the howling void WOOO

I know I was, anyway

There's been multiple times over the last year I've had to take a long break from the Trump thread to heal up. Being terminally online isn't worth it if it's making you absolutely miserable.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


I find nihilism somewhat comforting because I spend too much time thinking every little reaction or whatever matters too much. Not online, don't care about that at all, but irl I'm so paranoid. Like our HR guy was whispering to someone then left with her to talk in another room and my instinct was to check to see if my job position was listed on the biggest job search site here even though I was 99% sure it wasn't about me.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


SunAndSpring posted:

Will anti-depressants make me able to feel actual joy again? I feel so empty when doing most things these day.
When I first started on antidepressants (lexapro) I woke up a week and a day after my second dose. I felt something it was hard to identify because of my distance from it - at least 15, maybe even 20 years. I woke up the next morning feeling the same. This continued for 8 nights and mornings. Then, on the 10th day, I woke up, stretched my arms over my head, and simply walked out of bed and into my morning routine. It wasn't until I stepped into the shower and started washing myself without hesitation that something felt different. I didn't feel different in the way I had for the past 15-20 years, I simply felt normal.

[my bullshit]
I need to find a psychiatrist. As much as we talk about boss and worker classes, my boss is in the same union as me with the same pay grade as me, and he's been on my side every step along the way for over 10 years. Recently, I've suffered severe anxiety on top of fifteen years of increasingly severe depression, and it's showing. He's been putting his rear end on the line protecting me from disciplinary action and only just admitted this today. I don't know what to do but curl up in a ball, cry, and try to think of anything else. My PCP has me on Zoloft and Xanax 1mg (loving lol, I go through 3-4mg on a good day and suffer [read: drink heavily after work] for the rest of the month.)

My boss gave me tomorrow off, and Friday if needed, to help get my poo poo together. How do you find a good psychiatrist?

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Siljmonster
Dec 16, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Seriously believing I may be brain damaged more than I thought

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Around this time is when I was on my way to the hospital last year.

It's pretty sobering.

Sanguinary Novel
Jan 27, 2009

Chokes McGee posted:

Around this time is when I was on my way to the hospital last year.

It's pretty sobering.

It sounds like you've come incredibly far since then!

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Sanguinary Novel posted:

It sounds like you've come incredibly far since then!

I really have. :) I'm finally settling in at Austin, have friends & hobbies, don't drive 45 both ways to work in gridlock traffic, and my job is—if not happy—at least tolerable. Just gotta undo the habits and mental patterns left over from the trauma.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

I have this exact problem.
I dreamed of fixing things. I dreamed of a better world. I dreamed of the possibility of a better world.
I self-flaggelate endlessly because I lack the ability to make the world into a place I can stomach living in.
I can barely see the micro. The micro feels so ultimately irrelevant. Only the macro matters. And the macro is that 'evil wins in this world'.
I needed some sort of hope that this wasn't true. Or that it could someday not be true.
But not a single person can fabricate any.
So I drag myself through every day in a state of utter despair, hoping that I'll find something to get my motor running. Some days are better than others.
But so rarely anything resembling hope.
And the only thing people can tell me is to try to adjust my perspective and focus on the things around me.
So the only way to deal with the world is to hide from it.

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Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe
Been sick al l week. Feels like my fifth cold of the fall. Missed two days of work. Wallowing in shame, because I cant exist without a deep pit of self-loathing to draw from.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
https://twitter.com/KamenRiderUno/status/1189999275566157825?s=19

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~

titties > work

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Equeen posted:

titties > work

its good to have your priorities in order imo

Shifty Nipples
Apr 8, 2007

ChrisBTY posted:

I have this exact problem.
I dreamed of fixing things. I dreamed of a better world. I dreamed of the possibility of a better world.
I self-flaggelate endlessly because I lack the ability to make the world into a place I can stomach living in.
I can barely see the micro. The micro feels so ultimately irrelevant. Only the macro matters. And the macro is that 'evil wins in this world'.
I needed some sort of hope that this wasn't true. Or that it could someday not be true.
But not a single person can fabricate any.
So I drag myself through every day in a state of utter despair, hoping that I'll find something to get my motor running. Some days are better than others.
But so rarely anything resembling hope.
And the only thing people can tell me is to try to adjust my perspective and focus on the things around me.
So the only way to deal with the world is to hide from it.

That's how I feel too, and actually thanks for putting it in words, it feels validating.

Shifty Nipples has issued a correction as of 01:28 on Nov 1, 2019

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Happy Halloween brainthread

Here's a pic of my dog in a costume



Taken in the split second I could keep the hood on his head

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~
how old is he?

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Unknown! He's a rescue so his early years are a mystery. Eleven-ish?

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Goon Danton posted:

They're extremely good dogs. When I was going through my lowest depression, unemployed after dropping out of grad school, stuck at home alone while my girlfriend was off at work, those two really helped me through it. Cuddling up next to me or keeping me company as I wandered around helped, but the big thing was having them to take care of. There were a lot of days I would not have gotten out of bed, except that they needed me to walk them and feed them. My girlfriend would be sad but understanding if I'd slept all day, but I couldn't justify it explain it to the dogs, they'd just jump up on the bed and lick my face until I got up.

Also Sparky (the red one) is a lot like us in this thread. We're his third home: he was rescued from a hoarding situation, and then the older couple who adopted him after that returned him later "because he's a bad dog." We could piece together what happened there from his behavior: he wouldn't approach anyone from the right side, wouldn't let men touch him at all, and would run and hide if you were wearing "old man clothing" like hats or button-down shirts, or if you told him "come here," or if you held a newspaper that was rolled up at all.

The transformation he's made over the years has been incredible. Starting off biting at me if I put my hand near him when my girlfriend first got him, to now where he'll jump into my lap unprompted and roll over for belly rubs. I can feel the bumps on his belly where his ribs were broken, but it doesn't seem to bother him anymore. He's just happy to be loved.

Quoting his story from earlier in the thread

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
hi all crafts are important to give you a sense of fulfillment



:thunk:

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Chokes McGee posted:

hi all crafts are important to give you a sense of fulfillment



:thunk:
agreed! that rules. i had the week off work and no real plans so I can finally start printing my new thing


i'm making a robot arm right now, or at least one section of a robot arm. if it works i'll build a 2nd and a 3rd and connect them together like a dr. octopus arm. I hope it works.

but it's actually kinda easy to build robot arms nowadays, controlling them well is the hard part

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

bring back old gbs posted:

agreed! that rules. i had the week off work and no real plans so I can finally start printing my new thing


i'm making a robot arm right now, or at least one section of a robot arm. if it works i'll build a 2nd and a 3rd and connect them together like a dr. octopus arm. I hope it works.

but it's actually kinda easy to build robot arms nowadays, controlling them well is the hard part

and thats the story of cspams first tragic supervillain

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
maybe this is weird to say but disco elysium is literally about how having difficulty turning off your sense of how hosed up the world is can gently caress you up in turn. it felt very personal and relatable to play through. if you're hosed up the way im hosed up you might like it, mental illness goons.

BrokenGameboy
Jan 25, 2019

by Fluffdaddy

Impermanent posted:

if you're hosed up the way im hosed up you might like it, mental illness goons.

Somehow you reminded me of this, and it's making me pretty happy. So I'll leave it here for anyone i else who might get a smile or of it.

https://youtu.be/wmOw-jplSMk

Also, thanks for the suggestion.

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Jun 19, 2006



Impermanent posted:

maybe this is weird to say but disco elysium is literally about how having difficulty turning off your sense of how hosed up the world is can gently caress you up in turn. it felt very personal and relatable to play through. if you're hosed up the way im hosed up you might like it, mental illness goons.

love the game, highly recommended. however, for me, in the state i'm in now, and with the choices i was making(i.e. feeding into the darkness) it was faaaaar too personal and relatable to continue with. i've put it on hold until i'm in a better place, but it's still fantastic, it was just bringing me down.

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