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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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All of Israel’s embassies and diplomatic missions are closed as of today due to a strike by the workers at the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs

That’s kind of a huge problem for anyone with a major issue so I’m surprised this apparent dispute with the Finance Ministry got to this stage

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Nebalebadingdong
Jun 30, 2005

i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?

FlamingLiberal posted:

All of Israel’s embassies and diplomatic missions are closed as of today due to a strike by the workers at the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs

That’s kind of a huge problem for anyone with a major issue so I’m surprised this apparent dispute with the Finance Ministry got to this stage

what are they striking about? got a link?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-embassies-around-the-world-shut-as-diplomats-military-attaches-strike/

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Quick! If you're a parliamentary of any sort in any country, you've got just a few hours to vote official recognition of Palestine as a sovereign state!

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1189576224051519490?s=20

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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https://twitter.com/joshualeifer/status/1190001904073527298

This stuff really never ceases to amaze me

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
I mean hey, she's not antifa, the Real Danger to Worldwide Judaism.

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
So IDF assasinated some Jihad leaders, allegedly, and now for the first time in my living memory, or perhaps the second time since the gulf war (I was 4.5 at the time) the IDF had issued a command to all the residents of the Tel-Aviv area not to take their kids to schools and kindergartens and to stay at home unless you're work involves providing emergency services.

This is pretty drastic.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Is Israel finally going to occupy Gaza this time?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Just casually starting up a war to prevent the possibility of a Gantz minority government, nbd.

Rushputin
Jul 19, 2007
Intense, but quick to finish
So the EU supreme court just decided products from Israeli settlements need to be marked as such.

Of course a glance at the article comments reveals a lot of "but this will hurt the poor Palestinians who are employed there". Top notch argument right there.

Discussing I/P in Germany is frustrating, there doesn't seem to be much of a leftist Jewish community so it's all framed by pro-Israel groups. I've started reading Tagesspiegel less and less because it's been especially bad about posting editorials about how mean it is that reports on Israeli attacks don't repeat Israeli claims of "they attacked first" in the blurb but only further down the article. That's the level of discourse in most news outlets it seems.

I need to ask my friend at some point if he read Finkelstein's Gaza book I sent him - our last conversation on the topic stalled out because he straight up didn't believe me when I mentioned specific, well-proven war crimes. That seems to be the norm around here, passionate defenses with no awareness of non-Israeli sources and investigations. Even some explicitly leftist orgs are pretty openly shutting down genuine criticism.

Is that a specifically German thing where people are entirely motivated by historical guilt over current affairs, or do other Euros and non-Americans share this experience?

mediadave
Sep 8, 2011
Welp...

US says Israeli settlements are no longer illegal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50468025

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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So stupid, but our indifference to them for awhile effectively made them legal some time ago

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

The stated rationale is that the illegal status of the settlements meant that peace couldn't be achieved until Israel removed them. Since Israel was unwilling to remove their settlements, this constituted a barrier to peace in the region. Obviously the only solution to this was to recognise them as legal territory seizures since the US's classifying them as illegal was what was really holding up the peace process here and no other parties had any issues with them. Bing bong, so simple.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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MrNemo posted:

The stated rationale is that the illegal status of the settlements meant that peace couldn't be achieved until Israel removed them. Since Israel was unwilling to remove their settlements, this constituted a barrier to peace in the region. Obviously the only solution to this was to recognise them as legal territory seizures since the US's classifying them as illegal was what was really holding up the peace process here and no other parties had any issues with them. Bing bong, so simple.
It’s some galaxy brain crime poo poo

team overhead smash
Sep 2, 2006

Team-Forest-Tree-Dog:
Smashing your way into our hearts one skylight at a time

Grouchio posted:

Is Israel finally going to occupy Gaza this time?

They're already occupying Gaza as per the international humanitarian definition. In terms of rolling in a load of troops and building settlements there as a strategy of ethnic cleansing, nah, they're not interested in it when the West Bank works much better for that for a whole host of reasons.

Gaza is just a giant prison.

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

by Athanatos
Ganz's mandate to form a government expires tonight, so far it seems like 3rd elections are on the card, it's unlikely that Rivlin will give the mandate to a third MK (though if he gives it to Gideon Saar it might yield interesting results), so there's like an 80% chance new elections will be announced tomorrow, which means that they'll take place between february to april.

emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Nov 20, 2019

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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emanresu tnuocca posted:

Ganz's mandate to form a government expires tonight, so far it seems like 3rd elections are on the card, it's unlikely that Rivlin will give the mandate to a third MK (though if he gives it to Gideon Saar it might yield interesting results), so there's like a an 80% chance new elections will be announced tomorrow, which means that they'll take place between february to april.
Oh boy, what fun

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
Cool, maybe we'll get complementary ice cream at the voting booths.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
I'm very ignorant of Israeli politics, but how long can this drag on? Are they just going to have infinite elections until Netanyahu wins again?

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


As a socialist anarchist this actually gives me some small hope, while I don't expect the whole corrupt system to reform overnight this might weaken the right wing's grip and kick the centrists about.

I'm definitely setting myself for disappointment huh?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
As long as nobody can form a government, Bibi remains in power. Either he wins, or he wins.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


About 5:30 hours left to see if anyone is holding something back to the last minute.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Popete posted:

I'm very ignorant of Israeli politics, but how long can this drag on? Are they just going to have infinite elections until Netanyahu wins again?

I don't think there's any hard limit on how long this stalemate can last, but given the nature of the impasse, it's kind of amazing to me that it's lasted as long as it has. If Likud leadership threw Netanyahu under the bus, or a few seats in Likud's power bloc flipped to side with B&W, then there would probably be a strong right-wing coalition within a matter of days. This gridlock is mostly due to a substantial portion of the Knesset backing Netanyahu, even in the face of impending corruption charges and his openly-expressed desire to pass a law granting himself immunity from those charges.

So far, Likud and its allies have maintained strong party discipline, but Netanyahu's position is going to weaken somewhat as time passes, since his indictment is due any day now. Moreover, every new round of elections brings the possibility that an increasingly frustrated and annoyed electorate suddenly swings in a weird direction, leading to an upset of the status quo.

Theoretically, there's no hard rule that prevents this situation from effectively lasting forever. In practice, though, it's not a particularly stable situation, and something could give at any time. It's impossible to predict how long it'll hold together, though. As a number of other countries have demonstrated (including, of course, the US), a far-right personality cult around a nationalist leader won't necessarily be shaken by a little thing like criminal charges.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Sounds like Ganz failed to form a coalition, so Chaos Reigns

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Gantz threw in the towel and now by constitutional law the final chance to avoid another election is if at least 61 MKs to recommend an MK (within 21 days) who will then have but 14 days to build a government.

source: https://www.maariv.co.il/news/politics/Article-730741 (hebrew)

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Aren't there any ambitious Israeli right wingers waiting in the wings who would benefit by stabbing Bibi in the back?

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Zwabu posted:

Aren't there any ambitious Israeli right wingers waiting in the wings who would benefit by stabbing Bibi in the back?

Gidon Sa'ar, but I'm not sure he'd be willing to take this gamble and backstab Bibi. Far more likely he'll wait for Bibi to leave because of the legal issues in a while and then try for Likud leadership.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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https://twitter.com/ntarnopolsky/status/1197528532995452928?s=21

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


:peanut:

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Get hosed Bibi

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Doth chaos still reign? :bernin:

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Breach of trust for cases 1000 + 2000 and bribery for 4000. Get hosed bibiiiiii

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Grouchio posted:

Doth chaos still reign? :bernin:

Yeah and someone just threw a demon Molotov cocktail into the mix

Ultramega
Jul 9, 2004

By popular demand posted:

As a socialist anarchist

so you're a liberal

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.

Ultramega posted:

so you're a liberal

gently caress off tankie

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Ultramega posted:

so you're a liberal

gently caress off

Ultramega
Jul 9, 2004

it was an honest question.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I don't consider myself a liberal.
you are free to consider me whatever you wish.

E: sweet, my red and black Syndicalist flag and my LGBT rainbow flag just arrived. now to figure how to set a flagpole.

By popular demand fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Nov 24, 2019

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Ultramega
Jul 9, 2004

You're alright, G.

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