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Mawarannahr Bucket posted:I’m sorry, what the gently caress are you talking about? you're in the middle east thread and you don't understand sectarianism?
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america is the nazi nation that genocides people ourselves and has genocided a bunch of people in the past. putting out some cynical statement, supporting a political ploy, means less than nothing. we’re literally an evil empire lol get a grip
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Oct 30, 2019 21:02
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Oct 30, 2019 21:03
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Atrocious Joe posted:lol that Canadian politicians justified selling weapons to Saudi Arabia because it create jobs, but it turns out they're just donating weapons to Saudi Arabia It's actually donating Equipment for use in Chad Houthi live fire training exercise like that convoy turkey shoot video.
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Oct 30, 2019 21:03
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this is good THS posted:america is the nazi nation that genocides people ourselves and has genocided a bunch of people in the past. putting out some cynical statement, supporting a political ploy, means less than nothing. we’re literally an evil empire lol get a grip i support the Congress taking a strong anti-Turkey position as an acceleration position to collapse NATO and the US empire
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Oct 30, 2019 21:06
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Atrocious Joe posted:i support the Congress taking a strong anti-Turkey position as an acceleration position to collapse NATO and the US empire it's nice to see Congress and Trump finally align on something that isn't tax breaks for the rich.
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Oct 30, 2019 21:08
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Atrocious Joe posted:i support the Congress taking a strong anti-Turkey position as an acceleration position to collapse NATO and the US empire thats a way better take than the hand-wringing libs are going with
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Oct 30, 2019 21:12
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THS posted:america is the nazi nation that genocides people ourselves and has genocided a bunch of people in the past. putting out some cynical statement, supporting a political ploy, means less than nothing. we’re literally an evil empire lol get a grip That being said i dont find a symbolic resolution to be a matter of great import so whatever. ilhan status: NOT canceled
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Oct 30, 2019 21:21
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Atrocious Joe posted:I mean, she doesn't even call it a genocide in her statement. The Republican Party is an organization of genocidal maniacs who started this process as a weightless cudgel in order to cover for Trump's stupidity and fuckups in Syria. This action does not exist outside the context and the potential lead-up to an armed conflict with Turkey. You would have to be a goddamn moron to blindly vote for such a measure, especially considering the Republicans would absolutely not consider what we are doing at the border, including putting migrant children through literal concentration camps, as well as what we have actively aided Saudi Arabia in doing, as a genocide. So you're now unspokenly denying genocide in order to try and cover Trump's rear end loving up and sending stupid rear end letters about being a "tough guy." That is the bigger picture here. Pseudo-left Liberals are seriously showing their pathetic lizard-brains this week when it comes to foreign policy. Fast Luck posted:if she wants to recognize the genocide, as she says, she should be leaping at the opportunity to fulfill her political agenda here rather than questioning whether everyone else that's on the same page as her is there for the right reasons. pretty obvious So Bernie Sanders should align with Richard Spencer and the alt-right in order to fulfill his political agenda that oh so happens to include securing a future for white children. Got it.
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Oct 30, 2019 21:21
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my morning jackass posted:https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-arabia-lav-canada-armoured-vehicles-1.5340087 lol you aint getting that payment
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Oct 30, 2019 21:32
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the houthis no doubt had a role to play in the fact that we're not getting any repayment, and honestly we more than deserve it given the material aid canada provided for the war in yemen
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Oct 30, 2019 21:36
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look i dont care WHAT the “context” is- Omar should have done the thing because now all the NYC and DC professional take-havers are fake mad about it
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Oct 30, 2019 21:36
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THS posted:look i dont care WHAT the “context” is- Omar should have done the thing because now all the NYC and DC professional take-havers are fake mad about it who cares
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Oct 30, 2019 21:39
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Taintrunner posted:The Republican Party is an organization of genocidal maniacs who started this process as a weightless cudgel in order to cover for Trump's stupidity and fuckups in Syria. This action does not exist outside the context and the potential lead-up to an armed conflict with Turkey. You would have to be a goddamn moron to blindly vote for such a measure, especially considering the Republicans would absolutely not consider what we are doing at the border, including putting migrant children through literal concentration camps, as well as what we have actively aided Saudi Arabia in doing, as a genocide. So you're now unspokenly denying genocide in order to try and cover Trump's rear end loving up and sending stupid rear end letters about being a "tough guy." That is the bigger picture here. You don't praise him or thank him because hes a nazi. But you don't back off your beliefs because he took your side
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Oct 30, 2019 21:44
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Socialism but for whites is kind of the endpoint of American liberalism so your technically correct
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Oct 30, 2019 21:45
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Fast Luck posted:If Richard Spencer is in the House of representatives and syas he's a Yes on medicare for all, you do NOT withdraw the bill, or vote "present" or whatever. If Richard Spencer and a bunch of Nazis in the House of Representatives are pushing a Medicare 4 All bill that is actually a larger push for whites-only national socialism, you don't act like a complete loving dumbass and align yourself with goddamn Nazis. quote:You don't praise him or thank him because hes a nazi. But you don't back off your beliefs because he took your side liberals making excuses to align with literal nazis in C-SPAM 2019, you love to see it
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Oct 30, 2019 21:46
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"Liberal" lmao I'm in the same political camp as Guyovich you big dork. This is not the US preparing to go to war with Turkey or part of some insidious campaign. It's a kneejerk reaction to the Turks doing another genocide
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Oct 30, 2019 21:49
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Fast Luck posted:"Liberal" lmao I'm in the same political camp as Guyovich you big dork. You just said you'd align with a Nazi political agenda, that pretty clearly puts you in the bootlicker camp. Actions don't exist in a vacuum and pretending that ramping up hostilities with Turkey somehow does, which is the only reason this was brought to the table so it clearly wasn't, is utterly foolish and naive, another liberal tendency. Trump hosed up in Syria and the Republicans have to do something to cover for him. They don't give a gently caress about the Kurds and they loving love Genocide. News flash, the Republicans are loving genocidal maniacs. Letting them determine what is or isn't a genocide isn't in the interests of anyone worth a poo poo, and letting them run things based on the whims of their "kneejerk reactions" is yet again another pathetic liberal trap that has gotten us into this mess in the first place.
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Oct 30, 2019 21:55
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this is all really stupid. Calm down for a bit before replying again. I did not say i would align with a nazi political agenda. I said if i was pursuing a political goal of mine (left wing and good) and I had the chance to achieve it, that I would not abandon it because some unsavory people were hopping onboard It is also betrays an ignorance of geopolitical reality if you think this measure is anythnig more than a symbolic slap on the wrist. Turkey is a NATO ally and a strategic ally with whom the US is not about to seriously break unless also realigning with Syria and Iran or something. just nonsense
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Oct 30, 2019 22:02
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why should we go along with a symbolic, cynical slap on the wrist - then the whole thing is even more meaningless and the “present” vote is absolutely appropriate
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Oct 30, 2019 22:04
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it’s weird how people both treat this as the most important thing and meaningless at the same time
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Oct 30, 2019 22:05
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CharlestheHammer posted:it’s weird how people both treat this as the most important thing and meaningless at the same time That's what makes it such a good discourse-ball
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Oct 30, 2019 22:06
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Fast Luck posted:this is all really stupid. Calm down for a bit before replying again. I did not say i would align with a nazi political agenda. I said if i was pursuing a political goal of mine (left wing) and I had the chance to achieve it, that I would not abandon it because some unsavory people were hopping onboard Then you're flagrantly naive, because you didn't stop to realize that a Spencer-led National Socialist Republican party would absolutely turn around and amend the poo poo out of that Medicare4All bill in order to ensure there's only their white children getting benefits from it. Fascists don't play by the loving rules of decorum and will knife you in the gut the first chance they get. That's why you never align with them, even when they pretend to be doing the right thing. quote:It is also betrays a massive ignorance of geopolitics if you think this measure is anythnig more than a symbolic slap on the wrist. Turkey is a NATO ally and a strategic ally with whom the US is not about to seriously break unless also realigning with Syria and Iran or something. It's just gibberish The Republicans do not give a poo poo about genocide because they are actively supporting and enabling a genocide along the border right now. To align with them is incredibly hypocritical and an absolute slap in the face to the victims of genocidal fascists in our own borders, who again, do not care about genocide, and in fact, actively support it both here at home and across the globe. It's a political cudgel to cover for Trump being a royal dipshit. It's an entirely empty and worthless gesture that is happening for entirely dishonest reasons, and has incredibly horrendous consequences. Condemning a genocide is about doing the right thing, bringing about some measure of justice, and hopefully giving some sort of help to the victims. This is about none of those things, and to pretend that doesn't matter is incredibly intellectually dishonest.
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Oct 30, 2019 22:07
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CharlestheHammer posted:it’s weird how people both treat this as the most important thing and meaningless at the same time THS posted:why should we go along with a symbolic, cynical slap on the wrist - then the whole thing is even more meaningless and the “present” vote is absolutely appropriate
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Oct 30, 2019 22:07
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Fast Luck posted:because the armenian genocide should be recognized. It should have been recognized long ago. Bernie Sanders has promised to recognize it (So have people like Obama who of course never follow through because of cowardice - https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/511/recognize-armenian-genocide/) There's a difference between recognizing the Armenian Genocide and "Well you made Trump look like a dumbass so neener neener neener" *shoves even more children through concentration camps*
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Taintrunner posted:Then you're flagrantly naive, because you didn't stop to realize that a Spencer-led National Socialist Republican party would absolutely turn around and amend the poo poo out of that Medicare4All bill in order to ensure there's only their white children getting benefits from it. Fascists don't play by the loving rules of decorum and will knife you in the gut the first chance they get. That's why you never align with them, even when they pretend to be doing the right thing.
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Oct 30, 2019 22:10
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CharlestheHammer posted:it’s weird how people both treat this as the most important thing and meaningless at the same time it’s ultimately meaningless but some of the dumbest liberals in media are going to try and turn the “present” vote into something problematic. these are the same kind of liberals who if they lived in the UK would half-heartedly support the labour party but always be Extremely Concerned about Corbyn’s antisemitism or whatever the latest concern troll issue of the week was happening
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Oct 30, 2019 22:12
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Mawarannahr Bucket posted:I’m sorry, what the gently caress are you talking about? Its racism OP
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Main Paineframe posted:who in the American public actually gives a gently caress about the House finally voting to acknowledge a genocide that's been widely recognized as such all over America for literally more than a hundred years? this makes sense
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Oct 30, 2019 22:15
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This vote is a mistake on Omar's part but far less problematic than her support for regime change in Syria.
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Oct 30, 2019 22:16
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Atrocious Joe posted:This vote is a mistake on Omar's part but far less problematic than her support for regime change in Syria. I know right? You can't change what discourse is in the zeitgeist though, the people wanna post
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Oct 30, 2019 22:17
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the vote was a good thing but the regime thing is actively bad
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Oct 30, 2019 22:19
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Oct 30, 2019 22:23
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Vasukhani posted:it is if you ever want reparations let's ignore the fact that reparations are a pipe dream and focus on this bit: to get reparations for a genocide it's best if noone acknowledges the genocide actually happened, that will somehow make it easier sounds good are you some kind of turkish chud or what
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Oct 30, 2019 22:48
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THS posted:look i dont care WHAT the “context” is- Omar should have done the thing because now all the NYC and DC professional take-havers are fake mad about it pissing off the professional take-havers was probably the point if she'd voted "yes" along with the entire rest of the House, no one would have given a poo poo what was in her press release about it. she's spent plenty of time criticizing US foreign policy already and they mostly don't care by standing apart from the crowd, she's ensured that her statements and comments about it will be the talk of the think-tanks for days to come, which gives her opportunities to get the message out
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Dreylad posted:you're in the middle east thread and you don't understand sectarianism? I was raised Sunni in the Middle East. really doubt it would have bearing on my decisions re world politics had I adhered to it and introducing the idea is feeding into a racist narrative that suggests she can only form her positions based on the part of her identity that is being a Muslim woman.
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Fast Luck posted:If Richard Spencer is in the House of representatives and syas he's a Yes on medicare for all, you do NOT withdraw the bill, or vote "present" or whatever. It's funny because the GOP pulled this exact thing during the Obamacare repeal debacle in 2017 when Steve Daines of Montana submitted an amendment to institute single-payer healthcare the Democrats were forced to vote it down
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Doctor Jeep posted:let's ignore the fact that reparations are a pipe dream and focus on this bit: My point was (1) this doesn't do anything outside of the US. (2) It will be used as propaganda to prove the recognition = treaty of Sevres
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Having trouble imaging the swing voter who liked Omar until she used the wrong parliamentary maneuver on the Turkish genocide vote, lol
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