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wilderthanmild posted:I'd like to know too. I've been looking, but cannot find it. the chyron on CNN said 9 a.m. but i'd take that with several grains of salt
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EngineerJoe posted:This is correct. The insurance company would go after you though. Ah you didn't read did you VitalSigns posted:So if I destroy something of yours that isn't insured, I don't owe you anything? Ok so ewiley, if my neighbor doesn't have renter's insurance, I can trash their place and tell them to suck it, they should have bought insurance if they wanted compensation? That sounds like a good society to you?
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FizFashizzle posted:Oh sure yeah this makes sense too. It's such a big family this seems like something that would happen because like one single prince thinks I Know Who Killed Me is the single most incredible movie ever made or something.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:36
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ewiley posted:They did, for 19 hours, and the kid wasn't in the house. The house was condemned by the same city you quoted as stating that the foundational repairs were unnecessary; the same line of propaganda you used a few posts up to basically accuse the homeowner of, essentially, insurance fraud. Your posting on this sucks rear end bigtime.
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eke out posted:the chyron on CNN said 9 a.m. but i'd take that with several grains of salt So probably more like 1130 because nobody in Washington is ever punctual with anything ever
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Can I rob my neighbor too, because courts have also ruled that cops aren't accountable for stealing anything they find in your home
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VitalSigns posted:Ok so ewiley, if my neighbor doesn't have renter's insurance, I can trash their place and tell them to suck it, they should have bought insurance if they wanted compensation? That is not at all what I'm saying and you're deliberately posting in bad faith. A good society allows police to enforce laws and ultimately take steps that you may not like to enforce them. It's not like they rolled up with an APC immediately, they tried negotiation and other tactics for 19 hours. Maybe they should have waited 48 hours, or a week? Should they have just walked away?
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friendbot2000 posted:The sad thing is that apparently there is lots of precedent case law that supports the judge's ruling. That is the real crazy part about all of this. Imagine thinking that the 5th Amendment says it's okay for the government to nuke your house from orbit because a petty thief commandeered your kitchen. Just imagine. I bet there doesn't even have to be a thief, they just have to claim that they thought there was a thief. Also I would not be surprised at all if insurance companies tried to exclude damages caused by "legal" police actions.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:39
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I change my wish to leg peeing because I don't want the Very Good Boy to get hurt.
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Neo Rasa posted:It's such a big family this seems like something that would happen because like one single prince thinks I Know Who Killed Me is the single most incredible movie ever made or something. Linds has reportedly been escorting to fund her lifestyle (since she's horrible to work with and an addict very much not in recovery anymore) for years now. There's a video of her high af wandering the streets in.. I wanna say Greece but it might be somewhere in the ME, trying to steal someone's child
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Just heard on npr Bolton will not testify unless he is subpoena'd and a court upholds the subpoena. Has the same lawyer as Kupperman.. Told you he would lick the boot
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Oct 31, 2019 13:43
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I change my wish to leg peeing because I don't want the Very Good Boy to get hurt. That dog is a cop 
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Just heard on npr Bolton will not testify unless he is subpoena'd and a court upholds the subpoena. Has the same lawyer as Kupperman.. Told you he would lick the boot His lawyer already said he is anticipating and expects to comply with a subpoena.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:48
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skylined! posted:The house was condemned by the same city you quoted as stating that the foundational repairs were unnecessary; the same line of propaganda you used a few posts up to basically accuse the homeowner of, essentially, insurance fraud. So houses must need foundation repairs to be condemned? I mean you're nitpicking something that's obviously been argued in a court and lost. I feel bad for the guy that lost his house, but why is everyone forgetting that there was an armed dude running from the cops that instigated this whole shitshow?
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I wouldn't count on NPR to deliver an unbiased or accurate read on anything; they are skewing hard right these days.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:49
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ewiley posted:That is not at all what I'm saying and you're deliberately posting in bad faith. So are you saying he isn't owed compensation because blowing up his house was a reasonable thing to do, or that the city should not have to compensate anyone for anything no matter how unreasonable the city's actions
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ewiley posted:A good society allows police to enforce laws and ultimately take steps that you may not like to enforce them.  ewiley posted:It's not like they rolled up with an APC immediately, they tried negotiation and other tactics for 19 hours. Maybe they should have waited 48 hours, or a week? Should they have just walked away? Walk away vs. destroy a home over shoplifting..... hmmmmm…… None of this addresses the losses to the victim, by the way. Just some cop dick sucking.
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ewiley posted:That is not at all what I'm saying and you're deliberately posting in bad faith. I like how you literally just said the cops overreacted and now you're just straight up defending their escalation of the situation.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:50
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ewiley posted:So houses must need foundation repairs to be condemned? I mean you're nitpicking something that's obviously been argued in a court and lost. I feel bad for the guy that lost his house, but why is everyone forgetting that there was an armed dude running from the cops that instigated this whole shitshow? Literally every other country in the world manages to enforce their laws without routinely blowing up people's houses to arrest someone.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:52
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:That dog is a cop The dog didn't ask to be a cop. Plus it helped kill a terrorist so I'll give him a pass and a belly rub.
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ewiley posted:That is not at all what I'm saying and you're deliberately posting in bad faith. I hope you're trolling, because if not you're such a pathetic bootlicker that anything you have to say from here on out can simply be ignored.
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ewiley posted:So houses must need foundation repairs to be condemned? I mean you're nitpicking something that's obviously been argued in a court and lost. I feel bad for the guy that lost his house, but why is everyone forgetting that there was an armed dude running from the cops that instigated this whole shitshow? No, the point is that the article does not include enough information to make a firm assessment of what repairs were strictly necessary, so quoting the loving propaganda mouthpiece of the town trying to avoid liability for a massive fuckup is perhaps not the most logical course to take. The 'armed dude running from the cops' did not instigate the shitshow; the cop pursuing someone for petty theft instigated the situation. This is why many jurisdictions have 'do not pursue' laws and guidelines; it would have been far easier to pull surveillance footage and pick the guy up a day or a week later - which happens all the loving time. ewiley posted:That is not at all what I'm saying and you're deliberately posting in bad faith. The article states that before allowing SWAT to dismantle the home they negotiated by firing loving tear gas into it. Clearly the tactic of going at the house like an anteater at a termite's nest was the better method of resolving the situation. Your thirst to defend this poo poo is incredibly weird. quote:Maybe they should have waited 48 hours, or a week? Should they have just walked away? The best-case scenario would have been to not get involved in a high-speed chase to begin with, endangering many lives in the process, and then loving wreck someone's home and refuse to pay for it, further driving a wedge between the cops and the community the fucker in the article swears he was just trying to protect. Barring that, yes, there were perhaps actions that could have been taken that did not involve loving over the owner, and his family living in the house. I do not understand how you can look at the hulled out husk of that house and  hmmm yes, just cops enforcing our societal contract What's even weirder about this is that walmart's loss prevention team cannot pursue anyone beyond the store doors. This was a total nothing crime. skylined! fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I change my wish to leg peeing because I don't want the Very Good Boy to get hurt. How about giving Donny fleas?
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Oct 31, 2019 13:54
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There Bias Two posted:His lawyer already said he is anticipating and expects to comply with a subpoena. Nah, his lawyer said he'd happily accept service of a subpeona and people incorrectly assumed that meant "and comply with it." Bolton will testify when his deputy's case is resolved.
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Shifty Pony posted:How about giving Donny fleas? He probably already has crabs so why not?
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There Bias Two posted:Literally every other country in the world manages to enforce their laws without routinely blowing up people's houses to arrest someone. Even if you think it's necessary to blow up houses to enforce misdemeanor level laws, why the gently caress does that preclude compensating victims?
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Shifty Pony posted:How about giving Donny fleas? edit: BigBallChunkyTime posted:He probably already has crabs so why not? 
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:I wouldn't count on NPR to deliver an unbiased or accurate read on anything; they are skewing hard right these days. Their next story was a ten minute segment on how new tariffs on the EU would hurt the fancy rich people artisan cheese wheel industry. They certainly know their audience
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Prester Jane posted:I hope you're trolling, because if not you're such a pathetic bootlicker that anything you have to say from here on out can simply be ignored. It is really disgusting that in the same breath of saying they feel bad for the guy that he then says that all of it was their fault for not having the correct insurance to cover *reads notes* the police shelling the home with tear gas and using a tank to destroy the back door while setting off explosives.
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ewiley posted:That is not at all what I'm saying and you're deliberately posting in bad faith. When cops bulldoze your home they should be on the hook for damages. Why should "bury a random family in debt" be included in the "steps we may not like"? What *should* be off the table for cops to do? If they had just opened fire on the house and hit a bystander, would it have been "a step we didn't like" to enforce the law as well? Do you feel any steps cops take to enforce the law as legitimate?
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House session should be starting soon, here's the cspan stream https://www.c-span.org/video/?465765-1/us-house-debates-impeachment-inquiry-resolution
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Meatball posted:When cops bulldoze your home they should be on the hook for damages. Why should "bury a random family in debt" be included in the "steps we may not like"? IDK man, that 11 year old girl that got brutalized by a police officer for taking too many cartons of milk at the cafeteria should have been followed home and had her home destroyed. Just the needed steps to enforce the law donchaknow.
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Prester Jane posted:I hope you're trolling, because if not you're such a pathetic bootlicker that anything you have to say from here on out can simply be ignored. Yay I have PJ's seal of approval now! I'm not exactly trolling, but there's an awful lot of just jumping on the ACAB bandwagon, instead of, hey maybe there's more to it than that. I immediately get jumped on by people not reading the article and expressing the worst about a situation that didn't happen (that the kid was in the house and the police started firing immediately) There Bias Two posted:Literally every other country in the world manages to enforce their laws without routinely blowing up people's houses to arrest someone. Yeah and literally every other country in the world has reasonable gun laws and doesn't have 10 guns per resident. I guess what I'm saying is that militarized police and overreactions is a symptom rather than a cause of this dumb poo poo we go through.
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ewiley posted:I mean you're nitpicking something that's obviously been argued in a court and lost. Man you're just horrendous
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I feel the individuals in this case may have done things to have made their appeals weaker than they could have been, and approached this with a legal argument that was not likely to pass muster where others were available ... And the cops still should have paid for the entire loss of the residence and any possessions contained inside.
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If the cops didn't do things like blow up houses, beat people that aren't resisting, or shoot people to death on their homes, then people might be more willing to surrender.
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ewiley posted:Should they have just walked away? If he didn't have hostages then yes. What most sane departments around the world do is stake out a person's house or location and ambush them when they leave the building. Thats the way you nab a cult leader or militia leader. You hide and wait for them to go get the mail or go get groceries. Going in and wrecking everything is 1. more dangerous for the community. 2. more dangerous for the cops, and 3. more expensive. The police in this case are not public servants concerned with anyone's safety. That is a propaganda lie you are buying. They are a state sponcered army who conducted a military style operation against a civilian who defied them.
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ewiley posted:Yay I have PJ's seal of approval now! Cool thanks for letting us know that you're just being a contrarian piece of poo poo and don't actually enjoy shoe polish for its taste. quote:Yeah and literally every other country in the world has reasonable gun laws and doesn't have 10 guns per resident. I guess what I'm saying is that militarized police and overreactions is a symptom rather than a cause of this dumb poo poo we go through. So you think a militarized police force using explosives and APCs to destroy property in an effort to flush out petty thieves is a symptom of the prevalence of.... gun ownership? What the gently caress? Police forces are militarized to protect capital. That's it. That's the only reason this department had military grade firepower - to protect property of the wealthy and corporations. It's very obvious by uhhhh the loving actions they took. skylined! fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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