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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I was reading the Changeling the Dreaming core last night and I have an important question: what's the point of a game of changeling Give the obnoxious theater kids who wear capes to school something to do to make them feel less like the turbo dorks they are? Dreaming sucks so much.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I was reading the Changeling the Dreaming core last night and I have an important question: what's the point of a game of changeling That's a drat good question. The book is all over the place with itself regarding what the major theme is. What the Storyteller in my group did was set the main theme to America being invaded by Feudalists (the Sidhe who got kicked out of Arcadia) who wanted to round up all the Commoners and enforce serfdom. It was good enough for us. We had a casus belli, good bad guys, interesting questions (how do you deal with Banality during a war) and the eventual release of War in Concordia sort of backed our play of running with a Cold War/Hot War that was hidden from the mundanes. Then because our Storyteller liked them, we also had to deal with/work around Technocrats like indiscriminate HIT MARKs.
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Oct 29, 2019 23:09
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So, I've got a story about Changeling: the Dreaming. Two years ago, a friend and I arranged a meeting with a White Wolf representative at Gen Con to pitch a concept for a Changeling: the Dreaming CRPG. We put together a forty-plus-page pitch document, including a detailed description of the plot for the single-player campaign, which... I guess I'm still actually sort of proud of? The main plot ended up mostly being centered on a threat from the Deep Dreaming rather than just fighting Banality in the "Autumn World", and the Changeling noble houses didn't really figure into it at all. Anyway, the meeting went well, and they seemed interested, but the project didn't go anywhere because we absolutely did not have the means or resources to put together any sort of demo or proof of concept, and we were in way over our heads and had no business trying to pitch a CRPG in the first place and I'm not sure what we expected to happen. The end.
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Oct 30, 2019 00:30
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...I missed that this thread got moved over and I guess just assumed the WoD thread was unusually quiet/dead. Which means I missed a chance to say how much I appreciated Dave B's run as developer on Mage: The Awakening; I can't wait to read Signs of Sorcery (which I am in fact waiting to read since my current chronicle is in its climactic stages and doesn't need an injection of new mechanics and ideas right now, or the plot will never resolve).
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Oct 30, 2019 03:15
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The only good thing Dreaming ever did was allow me to play a roach pooka that pretty much directly ripped of The Mad Midnight Bomber What Bombs At Midnight from the Tick cartoon in AOL chatrooms.
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Oct 30, 2019 05:57
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I ran a fun two-session game of CtD in high school, but it basically had nothing to do with the heavier themes of loss of
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Oct 30, 2019 06:35
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In theory, oChangeling is a small-scale American Gods. In practice, oChangeling is Furcon.
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Oct 30, 2019 06:53
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That Old Tree posted:I ran a fun two-session game of CtD in high school, but it basically had nothing to do with the heavier themes of loss of Yeah. When I ran it and played it was pretty much just... well, Urban Fantasy. Although even then we tossed the 'science is Banal' nonsense out. (Happily so did C20.)
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Oct 30, 2019 12:39
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It lacks a compelling theme, which is sort of it's compelling theme. There really is no place for Changelings in the modern world. They posit this is because there is something wrong with the world, but the issue is more the world moved on. You can't really pretend Glamour is an issue in a world where the moon landing and 9/11 completely reshaped the Dreaming back to back [At least on a historical time-scale]. We aren't witnessing the end of the Dreaming, we are most witnessing the end of the Arcadian Dream, which is only an issue because the setting is largely told from the perspective *of* Arcadian Dreams.
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Oct 30, 2019 13:35
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I mean, the "pre-modern" world that Dreaming harkens back to never existed. It lives inside a Renn faire. Real medieval folks generally viewed fairies the same way a modern UFO-believing person might view alien abductions.
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Oct 30, 2019 13:46
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And what a waste that was. I’ve vented my spleen before about the moronic decision to go with a generic feudal structure while trying to be as Celtic as gently caress. The far more flexible models of Welsh and Irish chieftaincies and aristocracy are right there and work way better for the games own themes!
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Oct 30, 2019 14:39
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Loomer posted:And what a waste that was. I’ve vented my spleen before about the moronic decision to go with a generic feudal structure while trying to be as Celtic as gently caress. The far more flexible models of Welsh and Irish chieftaincies and aristocracy are right there and work way better for the games own themes! Honestly, modern fae as a bunch of street gangs stealing resources from each other led by braggarts who bring prosperity by virtue of being loud, pretty and aggressive is a pretty compelling angle. 'cause, I mean, that's pretty much the Irish petty king model in the modern age.
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Oct 30, 2019 14:46
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Octavo posted:She wrote a really great followup that shows just how her team managed to make the best Disciplines in Vampire. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/280672/BLOODY-DOTS-The-Writers-Guide-to-Disciplines Hey FYI both these books are on Halloween Sale, I'm buying them, were there any others released? edit- aside from the bibles from the guide to rome and the strix, anything from mage or demon? I'm looking through the site.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:29
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My only real interaction with Changeling players were people who took the game way too seriously and thought they were actually faerie souls incarnated in human bodies. They also posted in character everywhere on the damned forum, and acted like startled ren-faire actors whenever the rest of us didn't want to play along. Like seriously if you don't want people to pile onto you maybe don't barge into a discussion about why the Baali are terrible and start handing out glamour cookies.
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Oct 30, 2019 20:23
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Hey FYI both these books are on Halloween Sale, I'm buying them, were there any others released? Nah this stuff is just Rose providing her guidance after stepping down from being dev. There's no official plan behind it.
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Oct 30, 2019 21:43
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So I haven't posted in here in a while but back when I got into the series' lore I wrote down a lot of recs but I missed one...I think. I was really interested in vampire cults and religions and that kinda thing. I got State of Grace but I could swear there was a new book that actually was supposed to come out or hell maybe it's come out by now. It has been several months. Does anyone here know it? Or maybe I'm just remembering wrong.
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Oct 31, 2019 09:07
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Mors Rattus posted:Honestly, modern fae as a bunch of street gangs stealing resources from each other led by braggarts who bring prosperity by virtue of being loud, pretty and aggressive is a pretty compelling angle. And when you want something more legalistic, the Welsh system of citizenship and status is right there to slide on in. But nah, let's just go with generic feudal fairytale.
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Oct 31, 2019 09:09
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from RPGnet posted:The latest Mage 20th Kickstarter update: Oh boy, after the corebook warned us that you for real will psychologically damage yourself playing them, I hope we get some good hard-won understanding of the splatterpunk rapists that will guaranteed be in this book full of rules for playing them. I can't wait to hear about the chapter fiction.
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Oct 31, 2019 10:32
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loving phil.
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Oct 31, 2019 10:33
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Loomer posted:And when you want something more legalistic, the Welsh system of citizenship and status is right there to slide on in. But nah, let's just go with generic feudal fairytale. I mean, Ireland's plenty legalistic, it's just laws that let you do plenty of violence and theft as long as everyone knows you're doing it and you shout about it.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:14
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quote:here's another opportunity to stress that Book of the Fallen contains Satyr Phil's real and hard-won understanding of our real-world's evils Forsooth and hey nonny nonny. I didn't know they were going to try and re-do Destiny's Price or something.
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Oct 31, 2019 13:30
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Mors Rattus posted:I mean, Ireland's plenty legalistic, it's just laws that let you do plenty of violence and theft as long as everyone knows you're doing it and you shout about it. Look I just want an excuse to turn up with my two-volume edition of Welsh Tribal Law and Custom and get some use out of it okay
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Oct 31, 2019 14:20
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That Old Tree posted:Nah this stuff is just Rose providing her guidance after stepping down from being dev. There's no official plan behind it. Where do you think I got the text of all those Awakening 2e dev blogs from? They were almost all lifted and adapted from Awakening's bible. I have considered putting it up. Putting Deviant's up would be gauche, as it's basically my outline for the book.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:51
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I really hope Mummy 2 makes it so your particular Mummy Gang actually gives you some powers beyond one trick one and some slight flavor.
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Oct 31, 2019 16:26
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Where do you think I got the text of all those Awakening 2e dev blogs from? They were almost all lifted and adapted from Awakening's bible.
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Oct 31, 2019 16:49
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Where do you think I got the text of all those Awakening 2e dev blogs from? They were almost all lifted and adapted from Awakening's bible. I really hope you post the Awakening bible for sale. I'd buy it and I'm sure a lot of other folks would too!
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Oct 31, 2019 16:51
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That Old Tree posted:Oh boy, after the corebook warned us that you for real will psychologically damage yourself playing them, I hope we get some good hard-won understanding of the splatterpunk rapists that will guaranteed be in this book full of rules for playing them. Why do they continue letting this man write books.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:16
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I imagine they considered what he'd do with his free time if he wasn't writing the book and called it the lesser of two evils.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:18
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I mean, how many top Mage people are there? If the other two devs were busy there might be nobody else, especially since a lot of them would probably want to seriously alter the setting.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:25
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, how many top Mage people are there? If the other two devs were busy there might be nobody else, especially since a lot of them would probably want to seriously alter the setting. It's not like Satyros hasn't seriously altered the setting. (mid to late revised edition forever!!!). But Bill has his own stuff going on, and Jesse has a real job in pc games.
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Oct 31, 2019 17:44
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, how many top Mage people are there? If the other two devs were busy there might be nobody else, especially since a lot of them would probably want to seriously alter the setting. I think the only person who could coherently reboot Ascension while remaining true to its (messy, contradictory) themes would be Malcolm Sheppard. The 1e dev, Stew Weick, passed away. The revised dev, Jesse Heinig, is still pretty bitter over the fan backlash and now happily works over on Star Trek Online. Howard Ingham has the right attitude toward the game, but very much doesn't do RPG writing anymore. Ryan Macklin did an incredible job with the revised convention books, but that team has broken up, and he's expressed no desire to work for Onyx Path at such low rates again. DaveB understands the problems with the Ascension setting and clearly knows how to fix games named Mage, but I'm pretty sure he's busy with writing a game he can own. Malcolm Sheppard is the only Mage dev who still believes that the Traditions were right to fight against the technocratic fascists, and he's already played around with rebooting the setting by changing the Traditions membership (via his Mage: the Dirty Version posts eons ago.) Come to think of it, there's one other person who might manage Mage, and that's Ian Watson, who is working on Mage: the Victorian Age. I'll be curious to see how that book turns out. Octavo fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Oct 31, 2019 17:48
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Sometimes things should just end if it isn't worth paying anyone to do them. 
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Oct 31, 2019 17:51
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Sometimes things should just end if it isn't worth paying anyone to do them. Agreed
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Oct 31, 2019 18:01
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Where do you think I got the text of all those Awakening 2e dev blogs from? They were almost all lifted and adapted from Awakening's bible. I just meant that it wasn't OPP going "let's release our setting Bibles."
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Oct 31, 2019 18:07
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Octavo posted:Mage: the Dirty Version
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Oct 31, 2019 18:13
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Octavo posted:I think the only person who could coherently reboot Ascension while remaining true to its (messy, contradictory) themes would be Malcolm Sheppard. I just realized how little I know about the Wieck brothers, despite how important they are to early White Wolf.
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Oct 31, 2019 18:15
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Zereth posted:... What's this? I don't think all the posts are still available anymore, but Malcolm Sheppard's livejournal has a few entries: https://mobunited.livejournal.com/?skip=10&tag=mage:%20the%20dirty%20version My favorite post dissecting Ascension is this one: https://mobunited.livejournal.com/58878.html
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Oct 31, 2019 18:20
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Octavo posted:Ryan Macklin did an incredible job with the revised convention books, but that team has broken up, and he's expressed no desire to work for Onyx Path at such low rates again. The Revised Convention books are really good (save Iteration X, which came out when the Mage Revised line was originally going on). The Syndicate book has one of my favorite pregens ever.
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Oct 31, 2019 18:24
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Sometimes things should just end if it isn't worth paying anyone to do them. Are you saying we should not let the very weird man who probably spells magic with K unironically, a chance to write more silly books about urban wizards (but not the bad ones lest we become possessed by their evil)?
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joylessdivision posted:Are you saying we should not let the very weird man who probably spells magic with K unironically, a chance to write more silly books about urban wizards (but not the bad ones lest we become possessed by their evil)? It is more that it is a shame they can't get anyone I would like more to do it.
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