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I forgot. Can the PM cancel Brexit without a parliament vote?
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Eschenique posted:I forgot. Can the PM cancel Brexit without a parliament vote? I am not entirely certain, and believe not. But then there's the legal question of "what if they do so without asking parliament, and the EU agrees, but the supreme court LATER rules it unlawful"
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Eschenique posted:I forgot. Can the PM cancel Brexit without a parliament vote? In reality, who knows, there'd probably be court cases on it all the way up to the Supreme Court by the Brexiteers this time.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:mods p-please  ed: or 
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Nov 1, 2019 14:26
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Rarity posted:Ahem  Tesseraction posted:I am not entirely certain, and believe not. But then there's the legal question of "what if they do so without asking parliament, and the EU agrees, but the supreme court LATER rules it unlawful" I suspect that it would have to be revoked by the same process it was invoked, and it was invoked via an act of parliament IIRC. Not least because the PM cannot unilaterally overrule an act of parliament.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:26
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isn't that what would happen if Kirby wore the crown? Surely if Kirby ate the crown it would gain the powers of the Crown and people could wear it to become like Kirby. in this hundred-thousand word illustrated fanfiction epic, I will
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Eschenique posted:I forgot. Can the PM cancel Brexit without a parliament vote? it's murky https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47668466
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Angepain posted:isn't that what would happen if Kirby wore the crown? Surely if Kirby ate the crown it would gain the powers of the Crown and people could wear it to become like Kirby. in this hundred-thousand word illustrated fanfiction epic, I will There's already horny versions of kirbette just use image search and hurt your wrists that way.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:28
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Okay but can we agree that if say....PM Corbyn cancelled Brexit. His opponents and some supporters would probably condemn him for the rest of his life. But would a parliamentary majority be willing to start up article 50 again? Or would they just be content to be rid of this hot potato?
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Nov 1, 2019 14:32
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I'd trust infowars before the bbc these days
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Nov 1, 2019 14:32
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Rarity posted:That campaign map is the dogs bollocks. reminder that mike gapes is the person responsible for it being leave/remain
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Nov 1, 2019 14:33
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So Tess is just a loving pricktease, because 1pm has come and gone and nothing happened here apart from a bunch of sick perverts who should be banned showed up. Explain, please.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:34
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Eschenique posted:Okay but can we agree that if say....PM Corbyn cancelled Brexit. Brexit is a poison chalice so I doubt any politician worth their salt would want to do it, but idiot fringe parties desperate for power would probably bang the drum on it. Also in that instance the tories would be an idiot fringe party.
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Angepain posted:isn't that what would happen if Kirby wore the crown? Surely if Kirby ate the crown it would gain the powers of the Crown and people could wear it to become like Kirby. in this hundred-thousand word illustrated fanfiction epic, I will So the question is, what happens if Kirby eats the Mace in Parliament? Jedit posted:So Tess is just a loving pricktease, because 1pm has come and gone and nothing happened here apart from a bunch of sick perverts who should be banned showed up. Explain, please.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:36
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Eschenique posted:Okay but can we agree that if say....PM Corbyn cancelled Brexit. Labour's current policy (as decided at convention, please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going from memory here) is that whatever deal is negotiated by a Labour government will be put to a Remain vs. That Deal referendum. It seems clear to me that if Remain won that referendum, the govt would revoke a50. I don't think it's particularly meaningful to ask what would happen if a Labour government did something it's pretty much said it won't do.
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Nov 1, 2019 14:37
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Superterranean posted:I don't think it's particularly meaningful to ask what would happen if a Labour government did something it's pretty much said it won't do. I mean, people would still wail and gnash teeth if a second referendum returned remain so it is sort of relevant.
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I think it's fairly irrelevant - any parliament that would elect a PM willing to unilaterally revoke would also ratify an Act to do it.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean, people would still wail and gnash teeth Brexit In A Nutshell
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/michael_chessum/status/1190242180109078531 this is cool but what moron created a map that zooms in on both left AND right double click. my scroll wheel is broken how am i meant to zoom
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EDIT ^^^^^^^^ looks like my nearest marginals are Plymouth and Brizzle. Think I'm going to be booking even more buses over the next few weeks I thought I'd feel really bad about this election and I'm still sensibly pessimistic but I'm surprised and pleased to find how much it's put wind in my sails. I've been spoiling for a loving fight for years, feels good Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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Nov 1, 2019 14:46
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Embrace the optimism, it's good for you. You can go back to being a miseryguts if we lose, but until then you get to be heckin mad.
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Jedit posted:So Tess is just a loving pricktease, because 1pm has come and gone and nothing happened here apart from a bunch of sick perverts who should be banned showed up. Explain, please. [waits patiently in guinness]
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CptAwesome posted:this is cool but what moron created a map that zooms in on both left AND right double click. my scroll wheel is broken how am i meant to zoom 2) code:
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OwlFancier posted:Embrace the optimism, it's good for you. You can go back to being a miseryguts if we lose, but until then you get to be heckin mad. Hell yeh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BllVCapIXk
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Barry Foster posted:I thought I'd feel really bad about this election and I'm still sensibly pessimistic but I'm surprised and pleased to find how much it's put wind in my sails. I'm a strange mixture of hopeful that some things might go well, excited about the Absolute Scenes that will inevitably come from an election process, exhausted in advance of having to sit through actual campaigning, and dreading the possibility that those predictions might be true about the tories going big against trans people to get the culture war vote energised, that's going to be fun, and mostly just trying not to think about what happens if the tories get a majority for the sake of my general sanity
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Barry Foster posted:Brizzle. United Kingdom of Great Brizzle and Northizzle Izzleland
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I'm probably just being paranoid but it sure is suspicious how many Labour organising emails get caught in my junk filter despite me repeatedly confirming they're not spam...
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eh, all three parties have candidates everywhere, it's not some conspiracy e: did I miss anyone pointing out that the brexit party is probably good for Labour even in leave-y northern seats? In a lab/con marginal there will be more leave Tory voters than leave labour voters, and the Tory side is more likely to lust for no deal death Qwertycoatl fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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Nov 1, 2019 15:01
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Qwertycoatl posted:eh, all three parties have candidates everywhere, it's not some conspiracy. Goes directly against their stated aims though. Can anyone name a Lib Dem policy other than “stop brexit”? Best way to achieve that is by not standing candidates in marginal labour seats with a strong remain vote, where they themselves have no chance of winning. Tbh I think it would be good for them; start rebuilding some of the trust that was so badly betrayed with the coalition.
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Qwertycoatl posted:eh, all three parties have candidates everywhere, it's not some conspiracy It's perhaps relevant when your entire electoral platform is "we want to stop brexit"
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Come to think of it, it might be a good idea for the OP to contain a general reminder to keep good care of your own mental health as a top priority. The election period is going to be stressful for a lot of people and it can often feel like you're obliged to pay attention to all the bad stuff that's happening and go above and beyond your own capacity for doing stuff to help, but wearing yourself out and ruining your own mental health isn't actually a good thing to do or to aim for. it's okay to switch off for a while and come back stronger. something along those lines, maybe put some numbers to helpines, even.
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Angepain posted:Come to think of it, it might be a good idea for the OP to contain a general reminder to keep good care of your own mental health as a top priority. The election period is going to be stressful for a lot of people and it can often feel like you're obliged to pay attention to all the bad stuff that's happening and go above and beyond your own capacity for doing stuff to help, but wearing yourself out and ruining your own mental health isn't actually a good thing to do or to aim for. it's okay to switch off for a while and come back stronger. something along those lines, maybe put some numbers to helpines, even. Agreed
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Qwertycoatl posted:eh, all three parties have candidates everywhere, it's not some conspiracy It's not so great when the Lib Dems are also crying that Labour are basically crypto-hyper leavers because Corbyn has the gall to run potentially anti-semitic Eurosceptics in every seat where a Lib Dem is clearly the only chance to stop Johnson getting elected as the representative of every Parliamentary seat and renaming the country the United Kingdom of Great Brexits and still in a customs union Ireland.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:People not voting chat: All of them hopefully. Also every future election
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Sanford posted:Goes directly against their stated aims though. Can anyone name a Lib Dem policy other than “stop brexit”? Best way to achieve that is by not standing candidates in marginal labour seats with a strong remain vote, where they themselves have no chance of winning. Tbh I think it would be good for them; start rebuilding some of the trust that was so badly betrayed with the coalition. See, you think their aim is "stop brexit" rather than "get power by any means necessary" Lib dems would allies with the Brexit party if it gave them more power. I guess there is something about liberalism that attracts the "me first" personality....
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Nov 1, 2019 15:13
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in terms of their intentions at least, the lib dem membership is probably self-selected for people not keen on the argument that third parties should stand down and let the bigger two fight it out. i'd imagine they have a few chips on their shoulder about that sort of thing.
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Grey Hunter posted:See, you think their aim is "stop brexit" rather than "get power by any means necessary" I'd like to think that the Piss Diamonds are smart enough to realise that betraying their 'Stop Brexit' stance would ruin them. But I remember the 2010 election so I'm not so sure.
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Hey UKMT, come contribute to my awesome new thread!
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I can't even blame the Lib Dems (too much) For going full Tory crony. Before the coalition they had some liberal left wing voters and some liberal right wing voters. Their coalition with the Tories demonstrably lost them all the left wing voters. A coalition with Labour would not return any of those voters but would absolutely lose them their remaining liberal right wing voters and probably kill the party. I just wish they wouldn't pay so much lip service to the "rational middle ground" when they are 100% right wing stooges.
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