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xcheopis
Jul 23, 2003


Goon Danton posted:

Quoting his story from earlier in the thread

I hear you. My cats were the main reason I didn't give up in despair during my years of homelessness.

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SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013
I just dont know how to communicate with people because no one went through the effort of teaching it to me. All my parents were concerned with was making sure I said the right political slogans for the far right, and my relationship with them didnt leave me with the impression that I was loved much. I just dont know how to interact with people without making them upset or angry or confused, and god help me Im stuck in a forward-facing job where I have to talk with strangers every day and its making me sick with anxiety because I cant tell if any interaction went well or not.

-Zydeco-
Nov 12, 2007


Anyone in here have physical symptoms from anxiety that feel like nerve pains? Yesterday I was offered a job I really wanted, but then in the next 24 hours pretty much everything went wrong and the job turned out to be pretty crap actually. After spending all of yesterday and most of today trying to salvage it I just let it go and backed out because I was heading towards something and I cant afford for that to happen where I'm at or they'll ship me home.

I was having waves of anxiety every time something else went wrong accompanied by physical symptoms which are like unpleasantly nerve feelings in patches on my arms and legs? I had a little of the same thing back in July when my brain decided that everything was wrong all at once one day, but that was not as severe and went away gradually. I got things under control emotionally, but this is physically uncomfortable to the point of distraction. The milder stuff took a few days to go completely.

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013
I mean, god, I can't trust people anymore because I can't interact with them right. I mean, take for example this: I had what I assumed was a pleasant interaction with someone, had a chat and everything before getting them their stuff and on their way, and I thought nothing of it. Turns out, by not "acknowledging" them as soon as they walked in (since I was busy with something else), I had ruined their whole day, and every other little mistake made made them angry to the point of them going online to leave a poor review and calling customer support to get a full refund on everything. This results in me getting written up and just flat out threatened by the manager with getting my shifts reduced if I didn't shape up. How do I trust strangers after that, if they're willing to get me fired and ruin my life if I make them slightly uncomfortable? My life is just terrifying because of this, I don't know if someone is going to be mad or not because I barely understand them at all and I don't know what makes anyone tick. I mean, Jesus, even chatting with people online scares me because I don't loving know any of these unspoken rules and so I always wander into some scenario where I make myself look awful because I say something that makes someone mad that I had no idea would make them mad and then they start getting irritated with me and I escalate things because I start to get angry back since to me it doesn't seem justified, and then everything goes to poo poo. I don't know how to make this stop, I wish I didn't have this lovely burden of having to fix myself.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

SunAndSpring posted:

I mean, god, I can't trust people anymore because I can't interact with them right. I mean, take for example this: I had what I assumed was a pleasant interaction with someone, had a chat and everything before getting them their stuff and on their way, and I thought nothing of it. Turns out, by not "acknowledging" them as soon as they walked in (since I was busy with something else), I had ruined their whole day, and every other little mistake made made them angry to the point of them going online to leave a poor review and calling customer support to get a full refund on everything. This results in me getting written up and just flat out threatened by the manager with getting my shifts reduced if I didn't shape up. How do I trust strangers after that, if they're willing to get me fired and ruin my life if I make them slightly uncomfortable? My life is just terrifying because of this, I don't know if someone is going to be mad or not because I barely understand them at all and I don't know what makes anyone tick. I mean, Jesus, even chatting with people online scares me because I don't loving know any of these unspoken rules and so I always wander into some scenario where I make myself look awful because I say something that makes someone mad that I had no idea would make them mad and then they start getting irritated with me and I escalate things because I start to get angry back since to me it doesn't seem justified, and then everything goes to poo poo. I don't know how to make this stop, I wish I didn't have this lovely burden of having to fix myself.

This was an example of a person who was working the system to get something for nothing. Their reaction had very little to do with you.

The way to handle it is to reduce the entire interaction that you have with customers to a series of checkboxes which cover everything that management expects you to do and to cover your rear end. You don't have to be, like, literally robotic, but it helps to think of them less as people and more as a box that needs to be stamped in a particular way.

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
*sigh*

so having lost a job on account of the politics of a dipshit boomer/PMC it's really, really hard to get caught back up after you've fallen behind on bills.

especially when job listings depend on having an internet connection.

EDIT: I don't know if I even have the energy to melt down anymore. like you open up the reactor and there's nothing but lead inside

Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 22:43 on Nov 1, 2019

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


SunAndSpring posted:

I mean, god, I can't trust people anymore because I can't interact with them right. I mean, take for example this: I had what I assumed was a pleasant interaction with someone, had a chat and everything before getting them their stuff and on their way, and I thought nothing of it. Turns out, by not "acknowledging" them as soon as they walked in (since I was busy with something else), I had ruined their whole day, and every other little mistake made made them angry to the point of them going online to leave a poor review and calling customer support to get a full refund on everything. This results in me getting written up and just flat out threatened by the manager with getting my shifts reduced if I didn't shape up. How do I trust strangers after that, if they're willing to get me fired and ruin my life if I make them slightly uncomfortable? My life is just terrifying because of this, I don't know if someone is going to be mad or not because I barely understand them at all and I don't know what makes anyone tick. I mean, Jesus, even chatting with people online scares me because I don't loving know any of these unspoken rules and so I always wander into some scenario where I make myself look awful because I say something that makes someone mad that I had no idea would make them mad and then they start getting irritated with me and I escalate things because I start to get angry back since to me it doesn't seem justified, and then everything goes to poo poo. I don't know how to make this stop, I wish I didn't have this lovely burden of having to fix myself.

Can definitely relate. I worked at a hotel where we had constant mystery shoppers testing us and we had to do dumb bullshit like say goodbye in two different ways. I got written up for telling one mystery shopper "goodbye, have a nice flight" since he determined that was not two goodbyes. This constant pressure filled me with anxiety every time someone approached me since there was a "three strikes and you're out" rule.

Worse yet I was in security and I don't think anyone actually expects security guards to be good at that fake hotel perkiness. Our job was to break up fights and kick people out (hotel had an adjoining casino), usually those skill sets don't intertwine.

Since I never went to university I've pretty much been stuck in customer service but I lucked out recently and got one where I only have to do live chat and email. I'm still constantly at risk of screwing up social interactions with my coworkers though. And I have chronic hand pain so typing all day sucks, but I'll take constant pain over talking to strangers any day.

Edit: a lot of people will throw you under the bus and straight up lie because they want free poo poo or are just crazy. It has nothing to do with you.

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SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013
Alright glad thats out of my system

SunAndSpring has issued a correction as of 02:59 on Nov 2, 2019

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

As a strong introvert with a lot of social anxiety, the only way I've found to get used to face-to-face interaction is to keep putting yourself in social situations, no matter how terrifying and exhausting it is. I'm not exactly a sterling example of how to pull this off. You basically force yourself to perform your own exposure therapy, and, well, when you put it like that, it just sounds stupid...

:(

Haven't posted here in awhile. I went on a painful bender last week. I desperately want a new job without a 1 hour commute, but job hunting is so demoralizing. It's just an unending stream of people politely telling you that you're not good enough. And your ultimate goal is to eventually convince some rich assholes that you're competent enough to make them even more money, but servile and defeated enough to accept the scraps they toss at your feet.

Might be time to start seeing my therapist again. :smith:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

mekyabetsu posted:

Might be time to start seeing my therapist again. :smith:

this is usually a very good default answer

Sanguinary Novel
Jan 27, 2009

mekyabetsu posted:

but job hunting is so demoralizing. It's just an unending stream of people politely telling you that you're not good enough.


Right with you there dude - October will make it a year since I've started searching for a new job, as my current place the company is collapsing and money is tight. Therapy definitely has been helpful.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

mekyabetsu posted:

It's just an unending stream of people politely telling you that you're not good enough. And your ultimate goal is to eventually convince some rich assholes that you're competent enough to make them even more money, but servile and defeated enough to accept the scraps they toss at your feet.

:smith:

perfect summary of how soul crushing it is.

I'm a worthless goony NEET and turn 30 in a week and I'm having a tremendously difficult time justifying continuing to exist. It sucks rear end.

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

Solidarity, working class goons. :smith::respek::smith:

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

Oh god drat it, I was going through old photos, and I found pictures of my cat who died several years ago at a very fragile time in my life. She was the quietest cat I've ever known, and easily faded into the background. The one time she would show any hint of excitement was every day when I first woke up. She never meowed under normal circumstances, but every morning, when I would slowly throw off the covers and sit on my bed for a minute, she'd sit there, making these little "mrr" sounds and wiggling her butt. If I wanted to hear her version of a "meow," that was the only time I could get one out of her.

"Who's the most beautiful cat in the world?"
"mrr..."
"Is it you?!"
"mrr..."
"Are you hungry, baby? Let's go downstairs and get breakfast!"
"mrr-r-r-RAAAack!"

And then I'd sleepily plod downstairs with a big, dumb smile on my face, always hugging the right side of the steps so she would have a clear path to come barreling down the steps on the left next to me and sit at her bowl, patiently waiting for me to feed her. She made every morning special. On the mornings when I was hung over, depressed, unable to face the world, and barely able to muster the energy to feed myself, she always seemed extra insistent on getting breakfast.

To this day, when I walk down those stairs, I instinctively hug the right side.

mekyabetsu has issued a correction as of 20:36 on Nov 2, 2019

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
I came out to my partner today. It was incredibly anti climactic

Ugato
Apr 9, 2009

We're not?

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

I came out to my partner today. It was incredibly anti climactic

sorry it wasnt a big moment. glad it wasnt a big moment.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

mekyabetsu posted:

Oh god drat it, I was going through old photos, and I found pictures of my cat who died several years ago at a very fragile time in my life. She was the quietest cat I've ever known, and easily faded into the background. The one time she would show any hint of excitement was every day when I first woke up. She never meowed under normal circumstances, but every morning, when I would slowly throw off the covers and sit on my bed for a minute, she'd sit there, making these little "mrr" sounds and wiggling her butt. If I wanted to hear her version of a "meow," that was the only time I could get one out of her.

"Who's the most beautiful cat in the world?"
"mrr..."
"Is it you?!"
"mrr..."
"Are you hungry, baby? Let's go downstairs and get breakfast!"
"mrr-r-r-RAAAack!"

And then I'd sleepily plod downstairs with a big, dumb smile on my face, always hugging the right side of the steps so she would have a clear path to come barreling down the steps on the left next to me and sit at her bowl, patiently waiting for me to feed her. She made every morning special. On the mornings when I was hung over, depressed, unable to face the world, and barely able to muster the energy to feed myself, she always seemed extra insistent on getting breakfast.

To this day, when I walk down those stairs, I instinctively hug the right side.

thats how it was with my dog, down to the stair sides
:sympathy:

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ugato posted:

sorry it wasn’t a big moment. glad it wasn’t a big moment.

Yeah it was funny it was

Hey I think I'm a girl?
"Yeah I kinda guessed when you bought clothes fr.tjr women's section and talked about being unhappy with your boymode jackets because they were distinctly masc"
Oh ok cool

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ugato posted:

sorry it wasn’t a big moment. glad it wasn’t a big moment.

Yeah it was funny it was

Hey I think I'm a girl?
"Yeah I kinda guessed when you bought clothes fr.tjr women's section and talked about being unhappy with your boymode jackets because they were distinctly masc"
Oh ok cool

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

got any sevens posted:

thats how it was with my dog, down to the stair sides
:sympathy:

:glomp:

We don't deserve cats and dogs. I've been putting off getting another pet for so long now, but I think after Christmas, I'm gonna head down to the local shelter and find a nice older kitty who needs a home. :3:

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

I came out to my partner today. It was incredibly anti climactic
I can't imagine what that must be like, but I think it probably requires more courage than the average person has.

Stay strong. :love:

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013
I just feel sad about being trans and wish I wasn't. I don't get where I'm supposed to find pride in it because it just feels like it makes me a target for right wing people to hurt and the amount of money I have to spend to feel good about myself just drives me to further stress and depression. I sometimes contemplate just ditching this account and re-regging, never to mention being trans again, because I can't stand the paranoia that I get from thinking some weird stalker on another site is looking at my posts.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Chokes McGee posted:

hi all crafts are important to give you a sense of fulfillment



:thunk:

Is ... is this ... the specter haunting Europe?



Side note: is it normal to dissociate while doing astronomy and come to a few hours later, a mile away?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

SunAndSpring posted:

I just feel sad about being trans and wish I wasn't. I don't get where I'm supposed to find pride in it because it just feels like it makes me a target for right wing people to hurt and the amount of money I have to spend to feel good about myself just drives me to further stress and depression. I sometimes contemplate just ditching this account and re-regging, never to mention being trans again, because I can't stand the paranoia that I get from thinking some weird stalker on another site is looking at my posts.

From a practical perspective do what you need to to be safe, but from a subjective standpoint: don't give the pricks the satisfaction

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

GWBBQ posted:

Is ... is this ... the specter haunting Europe?



Side note: is it normal to dissociate while doing astronomy and come to a few hours later, a mile away?

yes human. that is a perfectly normal thing for you to do. us. us humans, I mean.

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

GWBBQ posted:

Is ... is this ... the specter haunting Europe?



Side note: is it normal to dissociate while doing astronomy and come to a few hours later, a mile away?

Let us know if you start compulsively making scale models of natural landmarks

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

GWBBQ posted:

Is ... is this ... the specter haunting Europe?



Side note: is it normal to dissociate while doing astronomy and come to a few hours later, a mile away?

The spectrum of "normal" starts to stretch when you're high as a kite.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
congrats on astral projecting

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


mekyabetsu posted:

:glomp:

We don't deserve cats and dogs. I've been putting off getting another pet for so long now, but I think after Christmas, I'm gonna head down to the local shelter and find a nice older kitty who needs a home. :3:

Do it! When I got my cat they told me that kittens last about an hour in the shelter but that older cats can linger there for months! My cat is 5 and she had been there for a while just because she wasn't a kitten. They have so much love to give. Best of luck finding a good friend :)

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


my therapist switched me from meeting regularly to what are essentially maintenance/tune-up appointments every 6 weeks or so. So that's progress but because I work remotely and don't have a ton of friends I kind of miss having someone to talk to every week. Kind of pathetic, I guess. Yesterday I found more of my ex fiance's stuff and threw it out without feeling anything. Running has been really good to me but I injured my knees and have to take several weeks off, so I'm dreading more time alone in my apartment. :(

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

PsychedelicWarlord posted:

my therapist switched me from meeting regularly to what are essentially maintenance/tune-up appointments every 6 weeks or so. So that's progress but because I work remotely and don't have a ton of friends I kind of miss having someone to talk to every week. Kind of pathetic, I guess. Yesterday I found more of my ex fiance's stuff and threw it out without feeling anything. Running has been really good to me but I injured my knees and have to take several weeks off, so I'm dreading more time alone in my apartment. :(

here is something to cheer you (and the rest of the thread up)

someone discovered it while we were doing the weekly Yume 2kki LP on PSP TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMUEFZXkmDA

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
also I was playing that to help me wake up from my nap a few minutes ago, and MY WIFE stopped in the hallway and gave me a look of genuine concern asking "everything ok over there"

shoobeedoobeedooba IT'S A SECRET

limp dick calvin
Sep 1, 2006

Strepitoso. Vedete? Una meraviglia.

PsychedelicWarlord posted:

Do it! When I got my cat they told me that kittens last about an hour in the shelter but that older cats can linger there for months! My cat is 5 and she had been there for a while just because she wasn't a kitten. They have so much love to give. Best of luck finding a good friend :)

if my cats shed their mortal coil and I can deal with that I'd definitely go for an older cat. kitten are cute but total monsters

PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


Chokes McGee posted:

here is something to cheer you (and the rest of the thread up)

someone discovered it while we were doing the weekly Yume 2kki LP on PSP TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMUEFZXkmDA

lol this is going to be in my head for the next week

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Consummate Professional posted:

if my cats shed their mortal coil and I can deal with that I'd definitely go for an older cat. kitten are cute but total monsters

i got a cat who is around 9 or 10 and it's very nice, i'd definitely recommend it. a good combination of the nice feeling of giving a less wanted cat a home and also having a very sweet cat

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

PsychedelicWarlord posted:

Do it! When I got my cat they told me that kittens last about an hour in the shelter but that older cats can linger there for months! My cat is 5 and she had been there for a while just because she wasn't a kitten. They have so much love to give. Best of luck finding a good friend :)

Its true. Everyone claims that they want a kitten, and kittens can be a lot of fun, but they also tend to be little chaos elementals until around 9-12 months of age. Theres also the unfortunate truth that older cats are closer to death, but a kitten you adopt at 6 months old could die at 15 years and a cat you adopt at 5 years old could die at 20. Also, learning how to deal with death is maybe not the worst skill to have these days.

I adopted my last cat when she was around 4 years old, and she was my best friend for 11 years. :)

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief
This thread is genuinely a beautiful thing and I'm happy it's here.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

mekyabetsu posted:

Its true. Everyone claims that they want a kitten, and kittens can be a lot of fun, but they also tend to be little chaos elementals until around 9-12 months of age. Theres also the unfortunate truth that older cats are closer to death, but a kitten you adopt at 6 months old could die at 15 years and a cat you adopt at 5 years old could die at 20. Also, learning how to deal with death is maybe not the worst skill to have these days.

I adopted my last cat when she was around 4 years old, and she was my best friend for 11 years. :)

I adopted my oldest when she was 2. She's pushing 20 now and literally every vet that examines her gets told her age and goes WTF NO GET OUT.

I've known her longer than my wife :3:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

PsychedelicWarlord posted:

lol this is going to be in my head for the next week

hamabamblambalam ITS A SECRET

it's even better if you know about Nikki Yume characters because that's Uboa doing the freestyling, Madotsuki on the computer trying to ignore them, and Poniko passed out on the sofa going WILL YOU GODDAMN WEIRDOS JUST GET OUT OF MY HOUSE

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

SunAndSpring posted:

I just feel sad about being trans and wish I wasn't. I don't get where I'm supposed to find pride in it because it just feels like it makes me a target for right wing people to hurt and the amount of money I have to spend to feel good about myself just drives me to further stress and depression. I sometimes contemplate just ditching this account and re-regging, never to mention being trans again, because I can't stand the paranoia that I get from thinking some weird stalker on another site is looking at my posts.

If it makes you feel better I definitely have weird off site stalkers and mostly it's just bizarre

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