Final Fantasy Megathread: I, Jack, will knock you all down

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rodbeard: Jul 21, 2005

Ibblebibble posted:

Anime? In my Japanese RPG?

Outfits aside, Final Fantasy games don't usually resemble anime all that much. X-2 has this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DSXC2Sa8uM

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ZenMasterBullshit: Nov 2, 2011; Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
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FFX-2 is easily top 5 FF games ever made and if you don't vibe with it that's cool.

But also it's not cool man, what the gently caress.

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NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

The odd thing about X-2 and "ew. girl stuff" is that it's obviously for guys from the viewpoint of girls. Or was the Leblanc massage and all the skimpy outfits to lure in the lesbian fanbase?

What was that meme about games being thirsty or horny or whatever? X-2 is the horniest FF by far. XV might feature a cast of hunky men but it's less shameless because fanservice for men and women is different. Well, sometimes anyway. XV gives you that emotional fanse rvice which a lot of girls prefer while guys just want rear end and titties which is what X-2 went for.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Nov 1, 2019

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lezard_valeth: Mar 14, 2016

rodbeard posted:

Outfits aside, Final Fantasy games don't usually resemble anime all that much.

In what world are FF not anime as hell? Like 99% of them feature one of multiple of the chosen super special bishonen protagonist that has to fight the nihilistic big bad that wants to end all of existence and you can only defeat him through the power of friendship and swords even in the universes where technology has advanced far enough that random antagonistic mooks are carrying space-time matter displacement photon cannons that do less damage than the aforementioned swords.

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Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

are you new, anime is "thing I don't like"

# ? Nov 1, 2019 04:25

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

NikkolasKing posted:

The odd thing about X-2 and "ew. girl stuff" is that it's obviously for guys from the viewpoint of girls. Or was the Leblanc massage and all the skimpy outfits to lure in the lesbian fanbase?

What was that meme about games being thirsty or horny or whatever? X-2 is the horniest FF by far. XV might feature a cast of hunky men but it's less shameless because fanservice for men and women is different. Well, sometimes anyway. XV gives you that emotional fanse rvice which a lot of girls prefer while guys just want rear end and titties which is what X-2 went for.

X-2 is camp. Like it's in the same general direction as Bayonetta.

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Augus: Mar 9, 2015

my favorite part of X-2 is losing completion % if you sped up even a single line of dialogue instead of letting the voice actor finish reading it

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gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

Schwartzcough posted:

Or maybe it was the millions of terrible, half-baked minigames, like having to do a sales pitch to every person in the world about some dumb amusement park or something, where you had to Strategy Guide the "correct" pitch to use on each person.

Just because you can look up info on the internet doesn't always mean that's the most fun way to play. Looking up the best answers for each person to max out your points by Chapter 2, is like looking up a strategy guide to find the best early game experience grinding spot, then like, faulting the game for it??

cock hero flux posted:

They were cool but Unerring Path really did make it too easy to get them. And I distinctly remember AP grinding taking ages for some jobs, like Alchemist.

Being easy to get and access gameplay options is a good thing though.

You can get 90+ AP in a repeatable, sub-5 second battle later in the game. No dressphere takes ages to grind.

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gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

Augus posted:

my favorite part of X-2 is losing completion % if you sped up even a single line of dialogue instead of letting the voice actor finish reading it

You're not speeding it up, you're literally cutting him off as he's talking. Why would you get completion percentage for something you skip??

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Clarste: Apr 15, 2013; Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

gigglefeimer posted:

Just because you can look up info on the internet doesn't always mean that's the most fun way to play. Looking up the best answers for each person to max out your points by Chapter 2, is like looking up a strategy guide to find the best early game experience grinding spot, then like, faulting the game for it??

Being easy to get and access gameplay options is a good thing though.

You can get 90+ AP in a repeatable, sub-5 second battle later in the game. No dressphere takes ages to grind.

I'm confused. Are you advocating for or against using guides to find the best, most efficient grinding spots as a way to enjoy the game?

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The Cheshire Cat: Jun 10, 2008; Fun Shoe

Augus posted:

my favorite part of X-2 is losing completion % if you sped up even a single line of dialogue instead of letting the voice actor finish reading it

I feel like the intention with the whole completion % thing is that you simply weren't expected to get it all in one playthrough. Actually doing it in one go requires following a guide extremely carefully and even missing one random NPC will lock you out of it, but doing it in two is pretty easy since doing both the Youth League and New Yevon routes add up to higher than 100% which gives you more room to just miss stuff entirely.

But yeah the way it's awarded out is very annoying. It's like they heard the complaints about unskippable cutscenes in FFX and responded "fine, you can skip the cutscenes, but you will be punished"

gigglefeimer posted:

Just because you can look up info on the internet doesn't always mean that's the most fun way to play. Looking up the best answers for each person to max out your points by Chapter 2, is like looking up a strategy guide to find the best early game experience grinding spot, then like, faulting the game for it??

The thing is that if you don't look it up it's very easy to end up WELL short of the required score to complete the mission in chapter 5, meaning you have to grind out the rest of it by spending a bunch of cash running the Calm Lands games over and over again (you don't really have to spend much actual gil there since you can make a profit pretty easily on the dog races, but it's still a huge time investment). Like it's not just that doing it without a guide is "suboptimal". It's "you will end up at like 90/400 by the end"

# ? Nov 1, 2019 04:46

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

lezard_valeth posted:

In what world are FF not anime as hell? Like 99% of them feature one of multiple of the chosen super special bishonen protagonist that has to fight the nihilistic big bad that wants to end all of existence and you can only defeat him through the power of friendship and swords even in the universes where technology has advanced far enough that random antagonistic mooks are carrying space-time matter displacement photon cannons that do less damage than the aforementioned swords.

FFV has the hero dual against a ninja werewolf who creates illusionary clones. He wins by remembering a technique his master swordsman father taught him, proving the party's worthiness.

Verdict: anime.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 04:47

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Gologle posted:

Everybody shut up and listen...to THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GidkSDUMI8E

This deserves more attention. Weight of the World will never not give me goosebumps. My brother marks out when the FF14 team blends the Crystal Arpeggio into the music, so we both enjoyed it.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 04:50

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

For me it's Growing Wings/Exhausted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zya6FwL8L8

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OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

lezard_valeth posted:

Here's hoping they port XV to the Switch so I can play it.

XII was the last FF game I played like 12 years ago and I became disenamored with the franchise, but I grabbed Zodiac Age from the steam store last year and I was amazed at how much of the subtle story telling flew over my head as a kid, and is now contender for my favorite FF. The scene with the Occuria is pure poetry and it's a shame that the last part of the game was rushed due to all the developing problems it had.

I have good news. FFXV is on Switch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lDoLe6OwIg
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/final-fantasy-xv-pocket-edition-hd-switch/

OhFunny fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Nov 1, 2019

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gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

Clarste posted:

I'm confused. Are you advocating for or against using guides to find the best, most efficient grinding spots as a way to enjoy the game?

I'm advocating doing whatever makes you enjoy the game most. A lot of people torture themselves though, doing things in the game that they don't actually enjoy, or thinking that the game can only be played this extremely specific way, usually out of ignorance because their main exposure is from what other people on the internet have said, instead of their own experience with the game. Anyway, it doesn't take a guide to figure out that you can combine equipment that boosts AP, then fight an enemy that rewards a lot of AP, to rack up AP extremely quickly.

The Cheshire Cat posted:

The thing is that if you don't look it up it's very easy to end up WELL short of the required score to complete the mission in chapter 5, meaning you have to grind out the rest of it by spending a bunch of cash running the Calm Lands games over and over again (you don't really have to spend much actual gil there since you can make a profit pretty easily on the dog races, but it's still a huge time investment). Like it's not just that doing it without a guide is "suboptimal". It's "you will end up at like 90/400 by the end"

No way, you'll reach 400 by Chapter 5 just by playing normally: picking whatever option to the NPCs you meet along the way, along with trying out the Calm Land games. You're talking about some strict powergaming playthrough as if it's the only way.

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lezard_valeth: Mar 14, 2016

OhFunny posted:

I have good news. FFXV is on Switch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lDoLe6OwIg
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/final-fantasy-xv-pocket-edition-hd-switch/

Is it the same story? I saw it a while ago on the store but I thought it was a sidestory or something

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gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

Tae posted:

What is "general consensus," FF X-2 is barely talked about outside of this forum

Is there currently much of a community anywhere on the internet for any of the older FFs? X-2 got some resurgence thanks to the remaster, at least. I'm mostly speaking from what I've seen over the years on gamefaqs, youtube, and various other forums/social media.

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OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

lezard_valeth posted:

Is it the same story? I saw it a while ago on the store but I thought it was a sidestory or something

It's FFXV remade with chibi graphics. They cut out a lot of the side quests and shifted from an open world to a more linear experience.

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Barudak: May 7, 2007

Theres also a couple of unused in XV bits of dialog but the story is the same. Im told its more coherent even.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 06:24

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Barudak posted:

Theres also a couple of unused in XV bits of dialog but the story is the same. Im told its more coherent even.

Is there cup noodle?

# ? Nov 1, 2019 06:38

Mega64: May 23, 2008; I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Gologle posted:

Everybody shut up and listen...to THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GidkSDUMI8E

Holy loving poo poo.

Everyone, this is the rare Gologle post you all should listen to.

NikkolasKing posted:

X-2 is the horniest FF by far.

XIV

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Help Im Alive: Nov 8, 2009

Any FF with Kimahri can't be the horniest

# ? Nov 1, 2019 09:18

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Augus posted:

my favorite part of X-2 is losing completion % if you sped up even a single line of dialogue instead of letting the voice actor finish reading it

Is your actual favorite not that there's 0.2% locked behind walking with your boy Maeschen down the entire length of like five screens without interrupting him once?

The only way it could be worse is if there was a QTE at the end to stop you from walking away.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 12:06

Fur20: Nov 14, 2007; すご▞い！
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね！

The Cheshire Cat posted:

I feel like the intention with the whole completion % thing is that you simply weren't expected to get it all in one playthrough. Actually doing it in one go requires following a guide extremely carefully and even missing one random NPC will lock you out of it, but doing it in two is pretty easy since doing both the Youth League and New Yevon routes add up to higher than 100% which gives you more room to just miss stuff entirely.

iirc it's not just that but also seeing alternate/wrong scenes contributes to your score in a miniscule way, as well as siding with different companies in the calm lands(?). starting the events in bikanel is necessary for completion but i think you also get bonus points if you actually engage with it and ultimately kill the boss there

via infinito is also bonus points

# ? Nov 1, 2019 12:43

ZenMasterBullshit: Nov 2, 2011; Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

Augus posted:

my favorite part of X-2 is losing completion % if you sped up even a single line of dialogue instead of letting the voice actor finish reading it

Yeah this but unironically. The game has over 100% of stuff to do with NG+ and the story split. I dunno how much more the game could play around with loving with people obsessed with getting every map square including the open air in metroid vanias.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 12:45

Saint Freak: Apr 16, 2007; Regretting is an insult to oneself; Buglord

I don't think X-2 is far from a good game, just needs some mild edits. Trim a lot of downtime stuff and rebalance some of the combat (especially in re: cast bars or sometimes no cast bars).

Maybe move around some garment grid locations so you don't get ones that are for abilities you don't even have yet.

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gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

The White Dragon posted:

via infinito is also bonus points

You were wrong about this before and you're still wrong about this.

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Eighties ZomCom: Sep 10, 2008

Saint Freak posted:

I don't think X-2 is far from a good game, just needs some mild edits. Trim a lot of downtime stuff and rebalance some of the combat (especially in re: cast bars or sometimes no cast bars).

Maybe move around some garment grid locations so you don't get ones that are for abilities you don't even have yet.

And stick in a proper Chocobo Theme instead of the abomination we got.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 14:00

Fur20: Nov 14, 2007; すご▞い！
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね！

Saint Freak posted:

Maybe move around some garment grid locations so you don't get ones that are for abilities you don't even have yet.

make garment grids give you their full passive bonuses without needing to change classes mid fight. busy work imo

gigglefeimer posted:

You were wrong about this before and you're still wrong about this.

via infinito gives completion points for every maester scene you see and you don't need to do it to get 100%

i'm not sure how much more of a definition of "bonus" you want dude

# ? Nov 1, 2019 14:16

gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Is your actual favorite not that there's 0.2% locked behind walking with your boy Maeschen down the entire length of like five screens without interrupting him once?

The only way it could be worse is if there was a QTE at the end to stop you from walking away.

It's like you've mixed up memories from two entirely different parts of the game here, and you've combined them into a single false memory.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 14:18

gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

The White Dragon posted:

via infinito gives completion points for every maester scene you see and you don't need to do it to get 100%

i'm not sure how much more of a definition of "bonus" you want dude

You need via infinito for a 100% in one playthrough. You can easily verify this by checking any guide on the internet, or actually doing it yourself.

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Oxxidation: Jul 22, 2007

gigglefeimer only ever posts to poo poo up the final fantasy thread and you sort of have to admire that level of brand-building

# ? Nov 1, 2019 14:22

gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

Oxxidation posted:

gigglefeimer only ever posts to poo poo up the final fantasy thread and you sort of have to admire that level of brand-building

?? How am I making GBS threads up the thread? Is it that I'm not talking about an FF that you like?

# ? Nov 1, 2019 14:30

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

gigglefeimer posted:

It's like you've mixed up memories from two entirely different parts of the game here, and you've combined them into a single false memory.

I probably did. I just remember the longass conversation, was that not also a long staged walk?

edit: lmao no it was even better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE9fvS_nm3U

I skipped ahead two minutes and the camera had zoomed out slightly

# ? Nov 1, 2019 14:34

gigglefeimer: Mar 16, 2007

DACK FAYDEN posted:

I probably did. I just remember the longass conversation, was that not also a long staged walk?

edit: lmao no it was even better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE9fvS_nm3U

I skipped ahead two minutes and the camera had zoomed out slightly

The long staged walk is Tobli's mission on the Moonflow to protect his cargo from bandits. You get the Gun Mage dressphere for it.

# ? Nov 1, 2019 14:40

lezard_valeth: Mar 14, 2016

Shocking news: you don't have to 100% the game.

Hell, you get a worse ending that completely ruins the previous game's ending if you do.

Or you can do the best of both universes like I did, be a completionist nutter and answer "gently caress Tidus" when Bahamut asks you if you want to revive him

lezard_valeth fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Nov 1, 2019

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