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bob dobbs is dead posted:Prison has the effects it has on peeps cuz you aren't allowed out of prison, friend The effect is compounded (excuse the pun) by the lack of free movement but it's not the like spaces we choose to spend our time in don't effect us just because we don't have to stay there.
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Marenghi posted:I was going to ask why you don't have the little coin operated locks on carts. We've had them as long as I can remember here, and surprisingly people are fairly good at returning their carts when it's necessary to get their euro back. its not really about coins or anything like that. Fundamentally, its more efficient for one skilled person to use their time/labor to do the job of 20 unskilled, unpaid people in a fraction of the time. This includes 'trivial' things like returning carts, bagging, etc.
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bike tory posted:The effect is compounded (excuse the pun) by the lack of free movement but it's not the like spaces we choose to spend our time in don't effect us just because we don't have to stay there. give people the freedom to choose where to live and I'll be in my coffin getting coffinbrain and you can be in your walmart bedroom getting walmartbrain You're always going to be affected by urban design no matter where you live. That shouldn't be the focus here, the problem is the inability to live as you deserve and desire.
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Nov 1, 2019 21:07
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bike tory posted:The effect is compounded (excuse the pun) by the lack of free movement but it's not the like spaces we choose to spend our time in don't effect us just because we don't have to stay there. some nebulous sense of "confinement anxiety" from living in a small place compared with the very real and depressing effects of poverty that comes from not being able to afford rents because people concern trolling over "small apartments" restrict the supply of housing to the point where no one can afford it foucault sucks
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Marenghi posted:I was going to ask why you don't have the little coin operated locks on carts. We've had them as long as I can remember here, and surprisingly people are fairly good at returning their carts when it's necessary to get their euro back. Only one grocery chain that I'm aware of requires a coin deposit and that's courtesy of our Euro-minded friends at Aldi. It requires a 25 cent coin to get a cart there, but yeah, that really isnt much of an investment at 0.22 euro. That said, I've never seen a free-roaming cart at aldi and motherfuckers leave em willy nilly at my regular chain
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bike tory posted:The effect is compounded (excuse the pun) by the lack of free movement but it's not the like spaces we choose to spend our time in don't effect us just because we don't have to stay there. i do remember being a lot happier when i lived in a dorm room with another person
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Christ goons im saying we should aim slightly higher than a loving closet as a universal housing entitlement, that shouldn't be controversial. Living in a closet is not healthy, the effects of it are not "nebulous" they are observable and measurable. "But you're always affected by the space you live in" is the exact reason we need minimum standards for living spaces, not a reason to abandon standards and house people in shoeboxes. This isn't a concern troll. The reason we aren't building housing for people isn't due to a lack of resources or space, it's a lack of political will. There's no reason to settle for building shoeboxes.
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Hey if we are going to reach for pie in the sky ideals like affordable housing or not treating your fellow man in the most cruel fashion, we can at least dream about communal spaces with coffin rooms.
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It doesn't matter what economic system we live under, we can't have housing in the form of McMansions or even most "luxury apartments" for everyone because it's not environmentally sustainable
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I mean at the very least consider how you're going to house families, or even couples or people with children in your sleep pods. Not everyone is depressed and single.Shipon posted:It doesn't matter what economic system we live under, we can't have housing in the form of McMansions or even most "luxury apartments" for everyone because it's not environmentally sustainable Ah yes, 3sqm cupboards or 120sqm luxury apartments. Literally the only options available to us.
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bike tory posted:I mean at the very least consider how you're going to house families, or even couples or people with children in your sleep pods. Not everyone is depressed and single. Give it a decade or two.
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bike tory posted:I mean at the very least consider how you're going to house families, or even couples or people with children in your sleep pods. Not everyone is depressed and single. one of the key tenets of communism is the abolition of the family
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bike tory posted:I mean at the very least consider how you're going to house families, or even couples or people with children in your sleep pods. Not everyone is depressed and single. i'm sorry was anyone suggesting this be the only housing available? no, they're saying it should be available but you're coming in here and saying that because foucault wrote some dumb bullshit housing should be huge
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All people are entitled to at minimum a studio apartment with an attached communal space to interact and form solidarity with their neighbors. loving lol at the people jerking themselves to cyberpunk pod housing. The absolute worst effects on my mental health were felt when I was having to share kitchen functions with roommates and my only private space was my bedroom. Live with enough roommates who leave last nights big dinner just sitting around for a week, despite being told that isn't ok, and any draws to full communal living go out the window.
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Shipon posted:i'm sorry was anyone suggesting this be the only housing available? no, they're saying it should be available but you're coming in here and saying that because foucault wrote some dumb bullshit housing should be huge No I'm only saying the minimum housing entitlement should be larger than a small walk-in closet, not that everyone should live in massive houses. Don't be silly. I mentioned Foucault because I was comparing poo poo to a prison, he's not the only person to ever consider that the spaces people inhabit effect their mental state.
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Serf posted:i do remember being a lot happier when i lived in a dorm room with another person Who could have guessed that human interaction is important to mental health.
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Maybe when VR becomes more universal a smaller room like that will seem better, cyberpunk-style, but gently caress if I want a communal living room as my only TV watching option or a communal kitchen as my only cooking option gently caress THAT
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It's also only going to be as pleasant as the most unpleasant person in that communal area. Someone with a dog that barks night and day, blasts music at 3am, burns popcorn in the communal microwave, and so on will be a common problem.
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bike tory posted:Not everyone is depressed and single. 
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Inceltown posted:Who could have guessed that human interaction is important to mental health. i was also pretty happy in an apartment. since moving back home poo poo has just been depressing
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That closet apartment is a joke and I don't think anyone seriously advocating for it as the baseline housing solution has lived in anything that small. College dorms and prison cells are larger than that.Warmachine posted:All people are entitled to at minimum a studio apartment with an attached communal space to interact and form solidarity with their neighbors. Absolutely. Even if it's all open floor plan, a minimum apartment needs space for someone to stretch out on, a kitchenette and a contained bathroom. frogge has issued a correction as of 22:03 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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Iron Crowned posted:Americans are just lazy as gently caress. instead of buying a basket of stuff on the walk home from the train station like in civilized places everyone in the suburbs makes a weekly trek to a big box to buy fifty pounds of corn derivatives; this means we need huge carts to move this poo poo from the shelves to our cars, bigger aisles in-store for the carts, big parking lots because etc. it sucks Shipon posted:some nebulous sense of "confinement anxiety" from living in a small place compared with the very real and depressing effects of poverty that comes from not being able to afford rents because people concern trolling over "small apartments" restrict the supply of housing to the point where no one can afford it
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Nov 1, 2019 22:11
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gently caress shopping everyday.
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soviet brutalist stamped out tenements? pbuh. a bougie extravagance
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The Bloop posted:There is genuine meaningful value in purchasing some things in bulk Can you even buy a 10 pack of guillotines though?
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The Bloop posted:There is genuine meaningful value in purchasing some things in bulk Get those things from Amazon then 
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Inceltown posted:Can you even buy a 10 pack of guillotines though? Sorry, it's either 15-pack or singles. https://twitter.com/leyawn/status/860199590599020544
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The Bloop posted:There is genuine meaningful value in purchasing some things in bulk yeah, every few months i buy like 20lbs of rice and that's worth a car ride but food that goes bad quickly is an important part of your diet, everyone should probably eat more leaves Weatherman posted:Get those things from Amazon then i mean, it'd be possible to have the benefits of central planning, warehousing, and distribution without a lot of the downsides: instead of making weird gross balls in seattle they should give the company to the workers so they can run the thing fairly
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If we're talking a out supermarkets being the worst, NZ has a lovely situation because there's a duopoly of big Australian supermarket brands that is basically allowing supermarkets to print money at the moment. Becuse they're the only games in town now they're able to use mafia style bullying tactics on suppliers to get better prices or even illegal poo poo, like double invoicing them and then threatening not to stock their products anymore if they don't pay. There have been a few journalist investigations into this recently so the supermarkets are under at least a little pressure to stop. Unfortunately this led to a friend of mine getting fired as a scapegoat so the owner of the supermarket can show management that he's done something about his mafioiso bullshit.
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MRC48B posted:So why do they sell head baskets in packages of eight I appreciate this post
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D.Ork Bimboolean posted:its not really about coins or anything like that. This is pure nonsense. There is no crisis of meandering cart-towing stragglers or people unable to bag their groceries anywhere where people aren't lazy degenerates. The only reason these jobs exist is class warfare.
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MRC48B posted:So why do they sell head baskets in packages of eight underwater basket weaving union rules
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Serf posted:one of the key tenets of communism is the abolition of the family that's a lovely tenet
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:that's a lovely tenet That's because it's not really a tenet of communism.
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Serf posted:one of the key tenets of communism is the abolition of the family i know your joking but i hate it so much when New Leftists interpret this as some kind of destruction of gender roles thing, which it is, but not in the modern sense. it's about abolishing the idea of a family where you have a head of household and a subordinate partner who's primary duty is producing and raising children. its about seizing the means of human reproduction from capitalist society. that doesn't mean marx thought it would be a good idea to just dump kids into a creche and assign them random names or whatever
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nah there's a real current in radical left thought that goes along the lines that the nuclear family is an inherently conservative institution which undermines solidarity etc. small family groups have a whole bunch of awful effects from inheriting wealth to patriarchal poo poo to ghettofication as those with means move according to school district so it's not surprising that people start thinking of alternatives. the kibbutzim did lots of experiments with communal child rearing, fascinating stuff - but the state socialist solution would likely be simply pushing the family out by providing subsidised creches, full-day schools etc
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