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Jose posted:Good lord the guardian sucks I think we should have means tested car parking fees at hospitals to address the issue Peter Walker has raised. Or would that be a silly waste of time and money, much like Peter Walker? Edit: We should charge those who can afford it 17 pennies to park so that they will not do so frivolously. Braggart fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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History Comes Inside! posted:I've never really talked politics with my in-laws (tories have been in power since before I got married) but this election seems to be bringing out their secret Tory alignment does she care about climate change?
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History Comes Inside! posted:I've never really talked politics with my in-laws (tories have been in power since before I got married) but this election seems to be bringing out their secret Tory alignment Eh, your in-laws are your in-laws - how much value there is in trying to sway them is up to you. For your wife, I'd probably just point out all the things that the Government has direct influence in that she has to interact with throughout her life. The victim of a crime? Much less likely it'll be investigated, even less likely it'll be solved. Need healthcare? We welcome in our US overlords to jack the price of everything up so that you need to now pay for health insurance. Want to access university or other adult learning? £9k per year for university, or spin the roulette wheel on finding an adult learning institution that won't be wound up before you finish what you've paid for. Need public transport? Rail fares still basically the highest in Europe, and overall quality incredibly poor. Buses all but extinct outside of large towns/cities. Have kids who need to go to school? Have more academies, run or overseen by luminaries like Toby 'Unqualified for literally every job ever' Young where what children are taught is determined by the ideology of whatever corporation is 'sponsoring' the school, and where they'll exclude your child for entirely spurious reasons if there's a chance they'll make their league table position worse. Have to buy groceries? Brexit will see the cost of most foods increase dramatically. Anything we get from the USA will be pumped full of more drugs than George Osborne, yet of such low quality there's a chance you'll get e-coli from a cabbage that a farmer in Iowa watered by emptying out his septic tank.
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funakupo posted:The podcast is excellent. I have shared it with a fair bit of colleagues. I think 1/3 of EFTA here in Brussels have listened to an episode at this point. Please continue the fine work.  Thank you for sharing it and for enjoying it! Frozen_flame posted:Yet another lurker posting to say you're all wonderful people and the UKMT Podcast is amazing. The episode on Benefits was such an eye opener on how truly poo poo its become. Super pumped for the election and finally ousting the Tories. We hope that the upcoming few episodes are also well received and that they might go some way to highlighting the poo poo state of things under the tories. Also, for anyone who thinks just one podcast isn’t enough, we’ve got a Video Game Industry special coming out tonight too! Ms Adequate, brace yourself, because you’re getting another Rarity ep.
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XMNN posted:I had a read through his thread and I'm still none the wiser as to why free hospital parking is a subsidy to the rich, other than that poorer people are less likely to own a car Probably some dumb poo poo about "well unless you means test it rich people will use it too and therefore nobody should get it" written with the intent, of course, of denying it to poor people.
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What's this guy's plan to stop hospital parking being a "subsidy on the rich"? An elaborate means-testing office attached to every hospital parking lot determining whether you're poor enough to get free parking?Jedit posted:I'm not sure this is the place to say that LGBs aren't human and are also trans exclusionary, but you do you. I can see how their post would be confusing if you haven't been following twitter drama, but "the LGB Alliance" they refer to is a specific organisation that sprung up the other week with a twitter account and glowing articles in the press. it's a tiny organisation whose entire purpose is bashing trans people and represents the actual population of lesbians, gays and bisexuals about as much as The Taxpayer's Alliance represents all people who have ever paid a tax. probably worse
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Collateral posted:A ban they would reverse 10 seconds after winning presumably. But if we win we can argue that even the Tories understand that fracking is not worth the problems it causes, so we should go further. 
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one of its founding members is the guy who did the extremely dodgy study stopping gay people from adopting or something similarly heinous and if you need conclusive proof they're poo poo then here is a spectator article defending them https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/in-defence-of-the-lgb-alliance/
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So this will get buried in “England loses at the World Cup final” news. A brilliant strategic move by the Tories there. Makes it easier for them to forget it later Eararaldor fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure fracking is "a revolutionary source of cleaner energy" Digging around in the gutter for dog ends is a revolutionary source of cheaper cigarettes
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https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1190559207482961920 ok I just tried watching his video about parking generally (his voice is very annoying) and the conclusion seems to be that land in central London is expensive and parking spaces are using that up so they should be more expensive than they are and the fact they're relatively cheap is a subsidy to people who drive a car in central London (and also that cars are bad for the environment, which is obv fair enough) and the argument in the piece pretty much is that poorer people are less likely to have a car, which is fair enough, but unfortunately buses etc are also hosed so just going "everyone should walk/bus to the hospital every time" is a bit of a pie in the sky idea also if there's not some subsidy scheme I'm unaware of, it's basically a regressive tax and it just means rich people are more likely to be able to park at the hospital because other people can't afford to, which doesn't seem like a particularly worthy end also https://mobile.twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1190558186769702912 if only there was some way of monitoring how long a car was in a car park for without also charging them. like maybe some sort of camera that reads the number plates? and a computer that remembers when they came and went? might be a bit impractical though also he keeps complaining about staff parking being caught up in the free for all, which is fair enough as there's literally no way to make sure only staff can park in a certain area of the car park or a "staff car park", if you will in conclusion: I don't think this guy is right and his weird whispery voice is creeping me out XMNN fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Jose posted:The guardian sucks part 2 Proposed labour slogan: Britain is already great!
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XMNN posted:I had a read through his thread and I'm still none the wiser as to why free hospital parking is a subsidy to the rich, other than that poorer people are less likely to own a car The answer is Liberalism, OP. "Yes, it's horrible that you have to pay to park at a hospital when there's no viable other way of getting there so it's effectively a service charge. Of course, in an ideal world it would be free. But we've got to be realistic - the NHS is short of money so we've got to make Tough Decisions [which won't really affect me]. You can't just make the car park free because that's not sensible... Ideology... Venezuela...THE BINS, JEREMY, THE BINS!!" The technocratic solution if you're a liberal who thinks they're left wing is to means-test access to the car park, so if you're actually A Poor it's free (or, more likely, you can claim back the cost via a tortuous and inaccessible process) but if you're A Rich you have to pay even more than the current charge (to make up the lost revenue from the free parking, see). All of this admin will, of course, cost the NHS much, much more than any revenue from the car parks or, most likely, the cost of just making the drat thing free to everyone. But in their warped view of leftism, if you can pay for the car park you should, so if Marxist Jeremy Corbyn just gets rid of the charges then rich people are effectively being paid to park at hospitals because they're saving the £5 they would otherwise have spent. Liberals don't really get universality...amongst many other things.
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forkboy84 posted:Really enjoying the rugby. lol its a massacre
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A leak: https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1190575174128689152 this will also give a likely flavour of the CON strategy at the leader debates, unless some novel incident happens between now and then 1. I wonder whether Great New Deal is a deliberate choice to undermine the many poonds already spent in messaging on a Green New Deal... itself an American slogan import, really, and can't be shifted easily 2. UC: note that Labour is not contesting the concept of a single benefit with a high rate of withdrawal, but is instead hoping to 1) iron out the rough edges, like the first payment delay 2) rename it. Hence the sneaky non-answer that implies that Labour does contest the concept. 3. You can taste the May-retropsective focus grouping - money for schools, more officers on streets (20,000 because Abbott proposes 10,000... my number is bigger politics) and hospitals for the NHS. No mention of the seven day NHS, academies, or other relatively tired CON concepts. CON is betting that LAB will not be able to credibly attack CON for blowing the budget despite CON blowing the budget, and cannot credibly argue that CON is spinning existing plans as new (despite CON &c) because LAB is pitching on radical change on a non-radical manifesto, and getting mired in the weeds of exactly how many hospitals one intends to build is the opposite of that 4. no mention of housing or childcare... someone here was working off a voter priority poll list and not a 2017 manifesto list
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BalloonFish posted:But in their warped view of leftism, if you can pay for the car park you should More like 'if you can pay for the car park, you take an Uber'
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Angepain posted:What's this guy's plan to stop hospital parking being a "subsidy on the rich"? An elaborate means-testing office attached to every hospital parking lot determining whether you're poor enough to get free parking? No, that's my plan. See the top of this page 
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There's 2 big hospitals near me, & I've done a lot of runs to both lately as a disabled friend hasn't been well. One of them has a bloke by the entrance who'll ask whether you're there to use the hospital (if he's there, half the time he isn't). Sometimes he'll even ask to see an appointment letter, but is always pretty chill if you just explain that you're helping a friend out & dropped them by the entrance. Never seen it more than half full. The other has like a much bigger indoor structure type thing. Might have a camera, idk, never noticed anything checking up on me. Never seen it even close to half full. But, the danger remains that a poor person might one day get free parking, so it is important to ensure that only rich people can access hospitals to avert this unacceptable possibility.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Also, for anyone who thinks just one podcast isn’t enough, we’ve got a Video Game Industry special coming out tonight too! Ms Adequate, brace yourself, because you’re getting another Rarity ep. Nice! I work in the industry so will look forward to that making its appearance on YouTube. Did you conclude it is going to be shafted by Brexit
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ItohRespectArmy posted:hosed up that corbyn single handedly forced england to lose the rugby world cup pretty hosed up that he hasn't apologised for it yet as well, very telling...
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ItohRespectArmy posted:hosed up that corbyn single handedly forced england to lose the rugby world cup bold strategy to win back scotland though
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whether or not the local hospital charges fees on its damned car-parks or even just reserves it all, every single one, for staff, or steamrollers the whole thing for a dining area or a creche or a 12ft statue of William Beveridge, seems like an ideal question to devolve to the local trusts
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ronya posted:whether or not the local hospital charges fees on its damned car-parks or even just reserves it all, every single one, for staff, or steamrollers the whole thing for a dining area or a creche or a 12ft statue of William Beveridge, seems like an ideal question to devolve to the local trusts LOL no That's a very Tory solution forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Another lurker poking my head up. Came to this thread looking for answers after the Conservatives decided that 52% Leave on an advisory referendum constituted a mandate to gently caress our country, and have been quietly reading and radicalising ever since! Spent 20 minutes trying to find a space at the Royal Surrey hospital on Thursday, which apparently has the highest parking costs in the UK, so I'm not convinced that making it free could make things worse.
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It seems like if parking is such a critical issue maybe they should look into providing alternative low cost ways to get to the hospital. Some kind of... publicly owned... transportation...
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Like, I definitely agree that public transport to hospitals should be a big priority (along with public transport everywhere), but it is in fact possible to care about two things at once (e: this was a response to the guy's article where he says that, not Lightning Knight)ronya posted:A leak: I love "Q. Donations from X?". They don't even have a specific person in mind, they just know that someone's donations are going to be ethically questionable, probably many people Angepain fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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forkboy84 posted:LOL no  Also I don't see the problem with a debate between the leaders of the 3 main parties but why tf is Swinson calling Ian Blackford a "girly swot"
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ItohRespectArmy posted:hosed up that corbyn single handedly forced england to lose the rugby world cup Other way around, everyone in English marginals is going to be in a poo poo mood because they lost and thus unreceptive to our heroic Super Saturday canvassers, losing us the election 
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Jedit posted:I'm not sure this is the place to say that LGBs aren't human and are also trans exclusionary, but you do you. LGB Alliance are an astro-terf campaign, their supporters are mostly homophobic far right assholes pretending they only hate trans people. Also hi another mostly lurker here, from Finland. Hope Labour gets a majority.
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