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I remember from the child-barging story that Johnson did used to play, he knows how to wear a shirt. What happened there was that someone said "Boris, we need to take a photo, put this on please" and he couldn't be hosed to change properly This also explains the daft telly set-up, they probably had to bring one round special e: 21st December 2019 is actually a pretty likely contender for the next Government being formed, causing mass confusion to the historians of future civilisations wrt to Yuletide celebrations of pacifists named JC who have come to save us Borrovan fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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TACD posted:I haven’t been keeping very up-to-date with the news so sorry if this is a dumb question, but now Bercow’s stood down what’s the timeline for picking a new Speaker? Is somebody else standing in temporarily until then? Also, somebody else mentioned that the election hasn’t technically kicked off yet, when does that happen? The deputy speaker (Ken Clarke?) is standing in for him until a new one is elected. I assume that'll happen after the GE.
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Borrovan posted:I remember from the child-barging story that Johnson did used to play, he knows how to wear a shirt. It was a completely rushed photo op. As mentioned earlier, it was taken 14 minutes before the end of the match, AFTER it was clear England would lose.
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Tenebrais posted:The deputy speaker (Ken Clarke?) is standing in for him until a new one is elected. I assume that'll happen after the GE. Lindsay Hoyle Ken Clarke is Father of the House.
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Borrovan posted:I remember from the child-barging story that Johnson did used to play, he knows how to wear a shirt. Even if the first part of your sentence is true, you have more faith in the Prime Minister than I do  Perhaps he was thinking: "Ooh! This is a jolly good chance to relive my glory days at Eton. Now, I'm not the svelte young buck I was and I wasn't then either, but I'm raring to run in what I assume is the direction of the try line. Get out of my way, small peasant!"
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I thought the whole point of him standing down was so that this parliament would select his successor.
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OwlFancier posted:Fifth time's the charm
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Just realized that all 'home' pics of Boris are from behind, not showing his face.
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BalloonFish posted:The answer is Liberalism, OP. Wouldn't this easily be solved by just having the machine you're normally using to pay accept your electronic passport instead? Then the machine could cross-reference with your tax office to see how high your income is. If you're filthy rich, you get slammed with a fee. And to offset the initial costs, you can jack up the prices thousandfold, since it's only hitting rich people, so who cares? Altering the machines and making some fiber connections to a secure government server is a lot of frontloaded cost, but afterwards the system would essentially pay for itself. Zero admin cost needed.
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OK so - free parking works well until people abuse it. There are lots of other things that work the same way; the mugs and coffee pot in the break room, for example. I choose to believe that nobody intentionally abuses the coffee situation or never takes their turn at washing up or whatever. But people do fall into bad habits sometimes. Usually, in the coffee pot case, they can be rehabilitated with a polite "please wash your own dishes, it's rude not to". At what scale does that kind of, uh, societal/social reinforcement stop working? Why can't we put up 'please don't park here' signs and...go on with our lives? Writ in the extreme, is it just that people don't see with their own eyes the people they're hurting that allows them to participate in exploitative systems?
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Libluini posted:Wouldn't this easily be solved by just having the machine you're normally using to pay accept your electronic passport instead? Then the machine could cross-reference with your tax office to see how high your income is. If you're filthy rich, you get slammed with a fee. And to offset the initial costs, you can jack up the prices thousandfold, since it's only hitting rich people, so who cares? Works fine in Wales
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Rarity posted:Just spotted that Jezza's poppy is askew. How can this traitor show so much hate to our glorious Britane!!! Corbyn wearing a sober shirt and small poppy and not the poppy trainers and poppy bedecked t-shirt disrepecting ARE BRAVE BOYS!!1! https://twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1190213246642462720 Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Libluini posted:Wouldn't this easily be solved by just having the machine you're normally using to pay accept your electronic passport instead? Then the machine could cross-reference with your tax office to see how high your income is. If you're filthy rich, you get slammed with a fee. And to offset the initial costs, you can jack up the prices thousandfold, since it's only hitting rich people, so who cares? You could also just tax rich people a lot and give that money to the NHS to upkeep car parks. Rather than, essentially, building ridiculous rube goldberg machines to tax every aspect of society as you use it.
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Superterranean posted:OK so - free parking works well until people abuse it. There are lots of other things that work the same way; the mugs and coffee pot in the break room, for example. Water and sanitation are human rights, we die without them. Water meters effectively ration this right by your ability to pay by the litre, not your requirements, so they hit the poorest hardest and the richest least, they're highly regressive (especially when you consider most of the costs of municipal water are fixed infrastructure costs and not variable quantity costs), which in turn creates poor public health outcomes. There are means tested ways of getting free water, but they still require a meter and also OwlFancier posted:I want to subject anyone who suggests means testing to an eternity of doing stupid forms until they learn. But the rates are also a regressive tax. The old system where most people were on rates related to the value of their property and you could apply to the water board for rates relief was less regressive, but it still skews regressive like council tax does. Ideally it would be funded from general taxation and the water brought back into regional public hands. But that leaves us at the state where water is essentially free, so how do you stop people using infinite free water?
Not sure how you'd apply that to car parking but I'm sure some of them would fit like inspectors for which ones are most abused.
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https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1190554559321645057 Don't think I've ever been in more of a  mood than after reading the quotes in this, goddamn.
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No actually 90% of the productive capacity of society needs to be directed to figuring out who exactly is using what and only taking resources from them when they use things. Rather than, y'know, taking from those that have and giving to those that need. Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1190554559321645057 They're gonna take all their shops and jobs and houses with them too, no doubt. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:You could also just tax rich people a lot and give that money to the NHS to upkeep car parks. Yeah, right after I posted, I though of a far simpler system. Just mark the parking space for "poors only" or something and then occasionally send police through to catch and fine rich dumbasses abusing the system. The embarrassment of getting caught alone should stop this I suspect highly imaginary "problem" of rich people stealing free parking space.
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Libluini posted:Yeah, right after I posted, I though of a far simpler system. Just mark the parking space for "poors only" or something and then occasionally send police through to catch and fine rich dumbasses abusing the system. Is this a bit or are you actually committed to just not making poo poo free?
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Superterranean posted:OK so - free parking works well until people abuse it. There are lots of other things that work the same way; the mugs and coffee pot in the break room, for example. I disagree with your initial premise who exactly is "abusing" free hospital parking? it's not like they're tourist attractions, generally people who are going to a hospital are doing it because they actually need to
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1190554559321645057 This is such an easy thing to spin: unpatriotic parasites will only stay in country as long as they don't have to chip in their fair share for the NHS.
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Julio Cruz posted:who exactly is "abusing" free hospital parking? it's not like they're tourist attractions, generally people who are going to a hospital are doing it because they actually need to Parking in general is a problem because it encourages car centric behaviour, you build parking and what often happens is people start using cars more. So free hospital parking is likely to be used by people who work near the hospital as just... normal parking. But, of course, we already have technology to deal with this in use in many car parks with this problem, it's not specifically a hospital problem it's just a parking problem.
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1190554559321645057 win-win
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Julio Cruz posted:I disagree with your initial premise There is an issue where hospitals are well located for other non hospital related things and people just use it as free parking rather than hospital parking. If that is the case then a system where patients and visitors simply give their registration to hospital staff on arrival solves this and then someone walks around the car park with the list or it's done by cameras solves it without means tested car parking or any notion of grading people needing medical care.
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A solution we can all get behind: repurpose the RAF's drones to target cars with unvalidated parking instead of Afghan wedding parties.
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Camera controlled systems literally come with a box you can input your registration into to remove you from the time limitation system.
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namesake posted:There is an issue where hospitals are well located for other non hospital related things and people just use it as free parking rather than hospital parking. every hospital I've ever been to has been in the arse end of nowhere but I suppose that makes sense have a system that requires a ticket to exit and have them given out at reception desks inside the hospital having to lie through their teeth to get their 2 hours free parking would put off a lot of people
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OwlFancier posted:Parking in general is a problem because it encourages car centric behaviour, you build parking and what often happens is people start using cars more. So free hospital parking is likely to be used by people who work near the hospital as just... normal parking. It really highlights the need for better public transport. My partner goes to a hospital with a specialist asthma clinic. We don't drive, the buses only arrive there once per hour, and there's no covered bus shelter. So we have to pay for a taxi back that we can't afford, because waiting around in this lovely weather will give her an asthma attack
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OwlFancier posted:Is this a bit or are you actually committed to just not making poo poo free? I mean, I'm just extrapolating from poo poo that already exists. Or are parking spaces for pregnant women, the disabled, etc. not a thing in the UK? Besides, if you go to those weirdos who are arguing you should pay more for your parking spaces or the rich will steal them and give them those very reasonable solutions, you can at the very least learn very fast if they were actually serious or just bullshitting, based on their reactions. 
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Sent crobin my manifesto ideas, shoulda c/ped them for discussion probably. if they were implemented the whole frontbench would be killed in a coup but that'll may be attempted even if they don't. E specifically ending our crooked financial laundering and tax avoidance, and arms sales industries and doing something productive instead.
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OwlFancier posted:Parking in general is a problem because it encourages car centric behaviour, you build parking and what often happens is people start using cars more. So free hospital parking is likely to be used by people who work near the hospital as just... normal parking. Exactly, town centre supermarkets deal with this precise issue. Usually mandated by the local council so that people use paid car parks instead of parking for free in Sainsbury's
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Libluini posted:I mean, I'm just extrapolating from poo poo that already exists. Or are parking spaces for pregnant women, the disabled, etc. not a thing in the UK? You can tell they're bullshitting by the bit of their Twitter profile that says "Guardian writer"
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Disabled parking spaces are not there to make them free, they're there to make them close to the thing you're using. And also wide enough for chair access etc. Which applies whether the park is free or ticketed. But ticketed car parks on vital services are part of a far more cohesive question about why we can't just make poo poo a public service funded by taxation of surplus productivity. Free parking already exists, free parking in hospitals did exist not so long ago, the reason we don't have it now is not because we can't have it, it's because liberal shitheads can't handle the notion of centralized provision of services on the basis that services are good for society.
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OwlFancier posted:Free parking already exists, free parking in hospitals did exist not so long ago, the reason we don't have it now is not because we can't have it, it's because liberal shitheads can't handle the notion of centralized provision of services on the basis that services are good for society. The problem is that it wouldn't be free parking for hospitals, it'd be free parking for anything within walking distance of a hospital.
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Mrenda posted:The problem is that it wouldn't be free parking for hospitals, it'd be free parking for anything within walking distance of a hospital. As I said, we already have solutions for this, parking camera technology can almost completely automate this process, and if you really want to you can put someone on reception to ask who you're visiting before they validate your reg, combined with like, a day or two delay on actioning tickets so if you're there for an emergency you don't have to worry about it.
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TACD posted:I haven’t been keeping very up-to-date with the news so sorry if this is a dumb question, but now Bercow’s stood down what’s the timeline for picking a new Speaker? Is somebody else standing in temporarily until then? Also, somebody else mentioned that the election hasn’t technically kicked off yet, when does that happen? The election for speaker is this coming Monday, arrangements where put in place before the election was called and have not been changed (to the annoyance of some who complained several MPs are already off campaigning even though parliament has not formally dissolved yet). Current deputy speaker Lindsay Hoyle is the favourite to win and is standing in for Bercow currently - though on the day of the election Ken Clarke will sit in the chair as the father of the house. The election period doesn't technically start till the dissolution of parliament which will be one minute past midnight this coming Wednesday, so Tuesday is the last sitting day. kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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I suppose the Aldi method of car parking validation works, where after you shop your receipt can be scanned by a car park validator where you put in your registration and it's taken off the fine list. In this case when you go to whichever desk for your appointment you pass on your registration and it's taken off the fine list. For A&E you just do it when you're reporting your issue. Then the only people who'd cheat the system would have to go into A&E and lie about being injured then run out before a doctor could see them... which would probably be a bigger crime.
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OwlFancier posted:As I said, we already have solutions for this, parking camera technology can almost completely automate this process, and if you really want to you can put someone on reception to ask who you're visiting before they validate your reg, combined with like, a day or two delay on actioning tickets so if you're there for an emergency you don't have to worry about it. Yeah. I agree with it absolutely if you have manage it that way. I thought some people were saying that enforcement/validation wouldn't be needed, that it'd sort itself out. Which is ridiculous when you already get drivers parking on double yellows, up on footpaths and in front of people's driveways. As for people talking about reducing the usage of cars with free parking, hospitals (and going to one for what is typically a stressful visit,) is a situation where I don't particularly mind people having the comfort of their own transport.
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I mean public transport links are also good if your condition prevents you from driving. I had to take someone to the hospital a while ago because she was going for something that would impair her vision. Plus if your hospital is in a busy area it's kind of annoying to drive there.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean public transport links are also good if your condition prevents you from driving. I had to take someone to the hospital a while ago because she was going for something that would impair her vision. There should be both public transport and availability of parking for private transport. Even more than that there should be a service for chronic/seriously ill patients who can't drive or don't have the option of being driven by someone that provides them with a lift. There's already a few charities that do that for people getting cancer treatments and dialysis.
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Braggart posted:No it doesn't all that should be centrally decided to not be poo poo. the realities of transport infrastructure & availability of space for parking vary across the country so it makes more sense for parking charges to vary in response to that. centrally dictated uniformity for the sake of uniformity is policy designed to look good in a headline first then work backwards to a justification
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