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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Is it worth it for us to put the BB's/BC in Poor condition to a Refit or not?

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Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

War on the Horizon Act

1.) ANTAGONIZE JAPAN AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

2.) Make Preparations for a War with Japan;

2A: All Obsolete DDs are to be moved back to northern Europe and moth balled during peacetime.

Newer model DDs will be moved to replace them at the discretion of the Chief of the Navy

2B: The Garpun Class shall receive fire control and AA updates at the earliest available opportunity; then be moved to the far east reserve fleet to be pre positioned in the event of war with the Japanese.

2C: Grey is authorized to build 2 additional DDs per year.





Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Oct 31, 2019

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006
Pic of Austria collapsing is broken


How much are we getting in reparations and what are the options for things we can take from them

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

i81icu812 posted:

Pic of Austria collapsing is broken


How much are we getting in reparations and what are the options for things we can take from them

They don't have anything more to take, and the peace treaty is signed.

Arcturas
Mar 30, 2011

Alright, one more year before we can start ordering up a CV! Just gotta get these BCs out the door and then we can get going on some new shinies.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007



:argh:

TheDemon
Dec 11, 2006

...on the plus side I'm feeling much more angry now than I expected so this totally helps me get in character.
We should probably do something about our utterly useless AVs. Not sure if CVL conversion is viable.


No Fake Carriers Act
The navy is to request designs to convert the Elbrus to CVL. When the design is voted on scrapping should also be a vote option.

In addition the IoDHom puv should be scrapped.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

TheDemon posted:

We should probably do something about our utterly useless AVs. Not sure if CVL conversion is viable.


No Fake Carriers Act
The navy is to request designs to convert the Elbrus to CVL. When the design is voted on scrapping should also be a vote option.

In addition the IoDHom puv should be scrapped.

Second

Servetus
Apr 1, 2010
I propose Operation Unification

The BBs Imperator Garpun and Vasily Legasov,, and the CVL Polyarnaya Zvezda, are to be dispatched to Northeast Asia with Sufficient escorts of our more modern destroyers to defend them. They will be placed on reserve in the region until hostilities break out with Japan or two years have passed, whichever comes first. At the conclusion of the conflict, or at the end of 2 years if no war comes, they will return to station in Northern Europe and reserve or mothball status as befits the Admiralty's judgement.

Additionaly, in conflict with Japan unification of the Korean peninsula through the acquisition of south Korea will be a priority in peace negotiations

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Defend Dalmatia

Sufficient forces should be transferred to Dalmatia during peacetime to operate and defend the base in the event of further war. The port and it's facilities/defenses should further be upgraded to maintain a proper defensive fleet to hold it.

This is less so out of necessity and moreso for prestige. We have TWICE lost it to AUSTRIA-HUNGARY. A third time the Tsarina shall have an area of Siberia frozen EXTRA for us if we don't at least make a pretense of holding onto it.

The admiral is left the discretion as to what are sufficient forces to hold it and how much to reinforce it.

If the area is considered far enough from our territories and isolated sufficiently as to not allow an effective defense, then considerations should be made for selling it to another power or transferring it to another's control.

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

Infidelicious posted:

War on the Horizon Act

1.) ANTAGONIZE JAPAN AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

2.) Make Preparations for a War with Japan;

2A: All Obsolete DDs are to be moved back to northern Europe and moth balled during peacetime.

Newer model DDs will be moved to replace them at the discretion of the Chief of the Navy

2B: The Garpun Class shall receive fire control and AA updates at the earliest available opportunity; then be moved to the far east reserve fleet to be pre positioned in the event of war with the Japanese.

2C: Grey is authorized to build 2 additional DDs per year.

Second

gently caress austria theyre so laaaame

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

TheDemon posted:

We should probably do something about our utterly useless AVs. Not sure if CVL conversion is viable.


No Fake Carriers Act
The navy is to request designs to convert the Elbrus to CVL. When the design is voted on scrapping should also be a vote option.

In addition the IoDHom puv should be scrapped.

seconded

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Leave Austria Alone

The nation of Austria is no longer a threat, and the naval office is to treat them accordingly and no longer seek to antagonise them.

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006

Veloxyll posted:

Leave Austria Alone

The nation of Austria is no longer a threat, and the naval office is to treat them accordingly and no longer seek to antagonise them.

A. We already repealed the Annoy Austria Act so there are no current laws demanding we antagonize Austria
B. Demanding we DONT antagonize Austria seems unduly constraining
C. Reparation money is desperately needed to balance the budget so there are benefits to beating up people for their lunch money

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

TheDemon posted:

We should probably do something about our utterly useless AVs. Not sure if CVL conversion is viable.


No Fake Carriers Act
The navy is to request designs to convert the Elbrus to CVL. When the design is voted on scrapping should also be a vote option.

In addition the IoDHom puv should be scrapped.


Infidelicious posted:

War on the Horizon Act

1.) ANTAGONIZE JAPAN AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

2.) Make Preparations for a War with Japan;

2A: All Obsolete DDs are to be moved back to northern Europe and moth balled during peacetime.

Newer model DDs will be moved to replace them at the discretion of the Chief of the Navy

2B: The Garpun Class shall receive fire control and AA updates at the earliest available opportunity; then be moved to the far east reserve fleet to be pre positioned in the event of war with the Japanese.

2C: Grey is authorized to build 2 additional DDs per year.

Well, here we go again!

Pickled Tink
Apr 28, 2012

Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.



Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.
Fun Shoe

wedgekree posted:

Defend Dalmatia

Sufficient forces should be transferred to Dalmatia during peacetime to operate and defend the base in the event of further war. The port and it's facilities/defenses should further be upgraded to maintain a proper defensive fleet to hold it.

This is less so out of necessity and moreso for prestige. We have TWICE lost it to AUSTRIA-HUNGARY. A third time the Tsarina shall have an area of Siberia frozen EXTRA for us if we don't at least make a pretense of holding onto it.

The admiral is left the discretion as to what are sufficient forces to hold it and how much to reinforce it.

If the area is considered far enough from our territories and isolated sufficiently as to not allow an effective defense, then considerations should be made for selling it to another power or transferring it to another's control.

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY
This duplicates an already existing act: Act like we mean it.

As for the votes: Nay and Nay

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Grey Hunter posted:

Well, here we go again!

Yes
Yes

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Abstain - the gently caress do I know about force composition?
aye - let's batter Japan again

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
NFC - Aye
WOTH - Nay

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

YAY x2

Kenlon
Jun 27, 2003

Digitus Impudicus
Aye on No Fake Carriers (with the intent of scrapping rather than rebuilding, of course)
Nay on the War on the Horizon act. We are not in any shape to fight a war at great distances from our home waters.

wedgekree posted:

Is it worth it for us to put the BB's/BC in Poor condition to a Refit or not?

Remember that the Finish What We Start act is still in force, so it's likely to be more than a year before there is free budget to do other construction or rebuilds.

EDIT: Actually, Grey Hunter: Would it be possible to get a listing of laws that are still in force with each update post?

Kenlon fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Nov 1, 2019

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....


GH, you fixed the broken image but now what I think what were meant to be AH giving up and/or having a revolt is now a duplicate image of perfidious Japan oppressing China.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Aye
Nay

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Kenlon posted:

Nay on the War on the Horizon act. We are not in any shape to fight a war at great distances from our home waters.

The fleet is in the best shape it's ever been, if the Garpuns are pre positioned we can have 4 dreadnoughts on station within 4 months.

Japan has been spending its money on 200,000KT of cruisers.

Also finish what we start only applies to the second Skopa.

Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Nov 1, 2019

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006

Here we go again

Kenlon
Jun 27, 2003

Digitus Impudicus

Infidelicious posted:

Also finish what we start only applies to the second Skopa.

The third hull was aleays part of the BC build, and thus still is counted under the FWWS act. If I had specified that all ships must be under construction at the same time it would have crippled Grey's ability to spend any windfall budget on other things, which is why I specified two under construction at once.

Servetus
Apr 1, 2010
NFC - NAY

It is foolish to start another rebuild on the eve of war, and given we only have one CVL,, two floatplane carriers are better than a pile of scrap and a hull in the dock

WOTH - AYE
The open-ended commitment to build 2 destroyers a year, with no endpoint given, was poorly done. But we do need to preposition forces in the East.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Kenlon posted:

The third hull was aleays part of the BC build, and thus still is counted under the FWWS act. If I had specified that all ships must be under construction at the same time it would have crippled Grey's ability to spend any windfall budget on other things, which is why I specified two under construction at once.

Got it mixed up with a similar earlier proposal.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Nay
Nay

Aesculus
Mar 22, 2013

Aye
Nay Think of the widows and the orphans! Let us avoid this terrible war and build peaceful relations for generations to come. Also a carrier, that'd be neat

TheDemon
Dec 11, 2006

...on the plus side I'm feeling much more angry now than I expected so this totally helps me get in character.
Aye
Aye

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade
Aye
Aye

Bacarruda
Mar 30, 2011

Mutiny!?! More like "reinterpreted orders"
Aye
Aye

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

Aye, Aye

Kickass Harpsichord
Dec 3, 2009

wedgekree posted:

Is it worth it for us to put the BB's/BC in Poor condition to a Refit or not?

"Poor" (unless I'm missing something) refers only to the crew quality, and is a function of the ship being placed in mothballs or extended cruising in foreign waters. A refit won't fix it. AFAIK, the only thing that suggests a refit is an "(O)" next to the ship's year of construction, which means that the machinery is getting old.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Kickass Harpsichord posted:

"Poor" (unless I'm missing something) refers only to the crew quality, and is a function of the ship being placed in mothballs or extended cruising in foreign waters. A refit won't fix it. AFAIK, the only thing that suggests a refit is an "(O)" next to the ship's year of construction, which means that the machinery is getting old.

Correct. Mothball/reserve drops the crew quality. oldness is the one requiring a refit.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
Right! this one dropped off my radar for a bit, but both acts pass, so we need a CV upgrade and a new destroyer design I guess!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmi0pa65zkcvgha/AAADcAoppsNhSI-9n4IUId6Ya?dl=0

Sorry!

Boksi
Jan 11, 2016
Clearly what Russia needs now is the Proyekt 12034 destroyer. Not only is it capable in battle, with eight 4" guns in high-angle twin turrets and eight torpedo tubes, it also carries a significant quantity of mines and depth charges, letting it contribute even outside of battle.


Also, looking at the ship list, I'm thinking we need to start scrapping some of these old destroyers. Some of them were built in the previous century! I'll be submitting a bill for that next legislative session.

Servetus
Apr 1, 2010
Is there any restriction on what kinds of ships can benefit from the all-forward armament we just researched, could that be applied to Destroyers?

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Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Servetus posted:

Is there any restriction on what kinds of ships can benefit from the all-forward armament we just researched, could that be applied to Destroyers?

I guess, but you can';t get more than 4 guns forward. 1 and 2 mounts can only rock singles. So ABXY like the Projekt is gonna get you max gunscore.

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