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ImpAtom posted:I don't know, Sae is a huge mess of a human being in ways that are directly connected to her job.
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Nov 3, 2019 13:23
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ImpAtom posted:I don't know, Sae is a huge mess of a human being in ways that are directly connected to her job. Maybe my perception of this is skewed, but I see a lot of bad fathers in anime circles basically stay reviled by readers even if the story makes it a point to try and have that father legitimately apologize and try to atone for whatever they did to damage their families. To the point where some readers might not even want that character to get any forgiveness from their families at all. Dojima is emotionally distant, an alchoholic, and a guy who really wasn't suited towards raising a child on his own for a number of reasons and his social link is basically you helping him realize that and and stop hiding behind his wife's death and face his daughter and his responsibilities as a father. And even without that he still goes to bat for Nanako when she gets kidnapped landing him in the hospital for his efforts. Sae doesn't get to develop like that, has a mountain of skeletons far worse in her closet as has been pointed out numerous times, and when the story really should have delved into that troubled past it sidesteps that entirely because it's more important to have Joker pull off his master Keikaku and for Sae to just be a pawn in it rather than have her develop. So even with all the crap that is the result of her job and the environment she works in all the time it never gets a proper resolution. And it's clear Atlus hadn't forgotten how to write troubled guardian figures because Sojiro/Futaba exists even it I also think that was underwhelming in the writing to some degree. I just can't be mad at Detective Dad because he's one of the better parts of the writing and side-content of Persona 4 and there was a clear trajectory for his character and had meaning put into it. I can be tired of Persona 5 not feeling like it knew what kind of character it wanted Sae to be at any point in the story.
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Nov 3, 2019 15:16
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so glad the internet stopped me buying Royal. Persona 5 is already probably worst Persona, depending on how forgiving i am of #1 at any given time. still might get Persona Musou Warriors though, I loved Arena.
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Nov 3, 2019 21:31
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I'm getting the Warriors game even if it sucks because I like stupid Warriors spin off.
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Nov 3, 2019 22:33
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i have faith that persona musou will be sick as hell
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Nov 3, 2019 22:46
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Does Royal change the gameplay in any way?
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Nov 3, 2019 23:12
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I've heard that statuses are less effective, there are some team up attacks like in P4, there's a new playable character, some adjustments and additions to the social mechanics, and bonus stuff like Jose, new final dungeon, etc. They also added a grappling hook that you use is palaces here and there but that basically doesn't mean anything. The core gameplay is pretty much the same though.
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Nov 3, 2019 23:21
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Bullets are changed and reload after battle.
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Nov 3, 2019 23:46
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The only disappointing Warriors spin-off is Fire Emblem Warriors and even that was a fun game whose main problem was a lackluster, samey character roster. P5 Scramble will slap.
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Nov 3, 2019 23:57
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Box of Bunnies posted:The only disappointing Warriors spin-off is Fire Emblem Warriors The Dynasty Warriors: Gundam games beg to differ. First one is...okay, and then they rapidly went pretty crap.
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Nov 4, 2019 00:04
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AngryRobotsInc posted:The Dynasty Warriors: Gundam games beg to differ. First one is...okay, and then they rapidly went pretty crap. Ah, I only played the third one of those and had fun enough with it  Mea culpa on that, I guess. I imagine Attack on Titan 2 probably would've been bleh to people who'd already played the first one, too, in terms of the relative amount of content added but as someone that skipped straight to it it was pretty great.
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Nov 4, 2019 00:18
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Eh, FE Warriors kinda made me cautious of those, even if Zelda Warriors was better. If there's a FE Warriors 2, I hope there's more variety of the playable characters, hopefully less of the Hoshidan and Nohrian families. I could totally see myself buying P5 Scramble, though!
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Nov 4, 2019 00:48
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AngryRobotsInc posted:The Dynasty Warriors: Gundam games beg to differ. First one is...okay, and then they rapidly went pretty crap. 2 was worse but the couple after that were better Nothing holds a candle to Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 for lovely Warriors spin-offs
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Nov 4, 2019 00:49
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AngryRobotsInc posted:The Dynasty Warriors: Gundam games beg to differ. First one is...okay, and then they rapidly went pretty crap. Nah, 3 was really really good. I liked 2 a bunch also but it might actually be the grindiest Musou. Never played Reborn though
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Nov 4, 2019 01:14
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Box of Bunnies posted:The only disappointing Warriors spin-off is Fire Emblem Warriors and even that was a fun game whose main problem was a lackluster, samey character roster. Are you that crazy person that loved the berserk one, because why
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Nov 4, 2019 01:15
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Tae posted:Are you that crazy person that loved the berserk one, because why i'm the forgetful person who blanked on the existence of the berserk and fotns ones 
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Nov 4, 2019 01:17
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Berserk Musou was mostly fine just needed more content. gently caress the bosses though, ugh
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Nov 4, 2019 01:17
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kirbysuperstar posted:Nah, 3 was really really good. I liked 2 a bunch also but it might actually be the grindiest Musou. I can't even remember anything about 3. The first two games and Reborn I remember well enough, but there's this blank gap in my memory where 3 is concerned. I know it exists, I know I own it and played it at some point, I just... don't remember it.
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amigolupus posted:I'm still in the middle of replaying EP but IIRC, Katsuya's deal is that he wanted to be a pâtissier but had to give up on his dreams and became a detective. Part of this is because A) his dad got framed and had to leave the police in shame and Katsuya wanted to find out what really happened, and B) Being a detective pays better and allows him to support his family better. finally, we found the one good cop in persona  (ty for the info!! i never got to play ep b/c epp never got tled  )
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Nov 4, 2019 03:21
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https://twitter.com/Persona_Central/status/1191322158712049664 more interesting than anything in p5r
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Nov 4, 2019 21:08
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Does that mean that Haru is gonna start smoking weed on the reg?
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Nov 4, 2019 21:18
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Having weed is super illegal in Japan and the Phantom Thieves are actually a bunch of weenies outside of the brainwashing. Except for Haru. Also Futaba.
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Nov 4, 2019 21:41
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You could have cut every Shadow Dragon character from the Fire Emblem one besides Marth and Caeda and I don't think many people would have given two shits. That concept deserved a better roster.
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Nov 4, 2019 22:03
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/Persona_Central/status/1191322158712049664 I'm hype, even if it seems like we will only get P5 characters instead of the huge rosters of Dynasty Warriors Gundam and Hyrule Warriors Legend.
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Nov 4, 2019 22:08
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Justin_Brett posted:You could have cut every Shadow Dragon character from the Fire Emblem one besides Marth and Caeda and I don't think many people would have given two shits. That concept deserved a better roster. Not to mention that there were massive gaps in the game's base roster, gameplay-wise. It's a game built around the weapon triangle, but there's not a single lance user in the game that doesn't use the pegasus knight moveset, unless you pay money for oboro or azura. It's a weapon triangle based game with 10 sword users, 4 axe users, and 3 lance users in the base roster. And all of those lance users have the same moveset, and two of the axe users do.
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Nov 4, 2019 22:18
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Justin_Brett posted:You could have cut every Shadow Dragon character from the Fire Emblem one besides Marth and Caeda and I don't think many people would have given two shits. That concept deserved a better roster.
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Nov 4, 2019 22:20
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Nov 4, 2019 23:13
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Alder posted:I wonder if Akechi will be in P5S no but he's an obvious first choice if they start selling dlc characters
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Nov 4, 2019 23:18
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Endorph posted:The shadow dragon characters weren't really the issue. Linde, Navarre, and Minerva weren't the problem with that roster. It was moveset variety, not the specific characters. Even if you made the roster more diverse, if it had as many clones, it'd still suck. To be fair, all the Axes were unique. Lissa, Frederick and Camilla all had their own. But the only other axes was Minerva, a Camilla clone, in the DLC.
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Nov 4, 2019 23:54
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm hype, even if it seems like we will only get P5 characters instead of the huge rosters of Dynasty Warriors Gundam and Hyrule Warriors Legend. Someone here ran the numbers, and the base roster here is roughly comparable to what Hyrule Warriors had at launch. And honestly, with similar potential for expansion; Scramble has less games to pull from than Hyrule for DLC, but it can get more characters out of the ones it can pull from.
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Cleretic posted:Someone here ran the numbers, and the base roster here is roughly comparable to what Hyrule Warriors had at launch. And honestly, with similar potential for expansion; Scramble has less games to pull from than Hyrule for DLC, but it can get more characters out of the ones it can pull from. Fun fact: I looked up a popularity poll and the highest ranking characters were Yosuke, Chie, and Adachi. Yu was just one place lower than Adachi. Of course, that was just one poll, so.
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Alder posted:I wonder if Akechi will be in P5S no im not biased in any way
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i wouldn't get my hopes up about non-p5 characters showing up in scramble, it seems like they're trying to pitch it as a proper followup to p5's story and not just another crossover musou dlc's another story though
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Nov 5, 2019 01:15
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Akechi, in some fashion, is def in and I would be very surprised if it turns out to not be the case. I would be more surprised at including past Persona cast members than him.
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Nov 5, 2019 01:16
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Huh. I was expecting, coming into here after learning about P5R's new plot points, more black bars regarding The Akechi Discourse 2: Takuto Boogaloo
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Nov 5, 2019 01:22
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Junpei posted:Huh. I was expecting, coming into here after learning about P5R's new plot points, more black bars regarding The Akechi Discourse 2: Takuto Boogaloo There's not much to discourse, I think everyone is kind of in agreement that what Atlus decided to do with Akechi in Royal satisfies no one and solves nothing. It's just kind of pointless.
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Nov 5, 2019 01:37
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:There's not much to discourse, I think everyone is kind of in agreement that what Atlus decided to do with Akechi in Royal satisfies no one and solves nothing. It's just kind of pointless. I should have myself clear: I wasn't actually referring to the changes in Akechi's character, I meant that Takuto seems to be trying to walk the line of understandable, even sympathetic but still clearly in the wrong that Akechi was on, hence him being 'Part Two' of the Akechi Discourse.
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Junpei posted:I should have myself clear: I wasn't actually referring to the changes in Akechi's character, I meant that Takuto seems to be trying to walk the line of understandable, even sympathetic but still clearly in the wrong that Akechi was on, hence him being 'Part Two' of the Akechi Discourse. it's hard to drill down into what's objectionable about maruki on summaries alone, i mean he's got a Great Old One in his brain calling the shots but otherwise his fantasyland scheme doesn't seem to have many downsides as presented though, again, it's bitterly funny that the ultimate baddie in a jrpg turns out to be a mental health professional
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