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Strawman posted:If it's a deliberate foul from behind while they're running at full speed, yes? I remember people (not necessarily you) saying that Saido Mane shouldn't have been sent off for kicking Ederson in the head. Son's tackle wasn't anywhere close to as bad as that, but the outcome is worse due to Andre Gomes' foot getting stuck under him as he and Aurier collided.
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pik_d posted:I remember people (not necessarily you) saying that Saido Mane shouldn't have been sent off for kicking Ederson in the head. Son's tackle wasn't anywhere close to as bad as that, but the outcome is worse due to Andre Gomes' foot getting stuck under him as he and Aurier collided. You're conflating two entirely different situations. Mané was making a genuine attempt for the ball and Ederson ducked into his foot. It was a foul, sure, but honestly the red card was ridiculous. Son deliberately tried to trip Gomes with absolutely no attempt to win the ball. It was a professional foul that recklessly endangered an opponent.
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Nov 3, 2019 22:26
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EvilHawk posted:You're conflating two entirely different situations. Mané was making a genuine attempt for the ball and Ederson ducked into his foot. It was a foul, sure, but honestly the red card was ridiculous. It was literally a freak accident that happened after the foul. The ref had a yellow out before he saw the injury because it was a yellow card worthy foul.
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Nov 3, 2019 22:39
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Son should go to prison for that imo
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Nov 3, 2019 22:41
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West007 posted:Son should go to prison for that imo he already plays for spurs op
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Nov 3, 2019 23:41
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Big fan of Leicester managing to con manu out of 80M for the most overrated, bang average centre back in the league and then looking nailed on for top four while manu hover dangerously close to relegation. Big fan.
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Nov 3, 2019 23:46
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ozmunkeh posted:Big fan of Leicester managing to con manu out of 80M for the most overrated, bang average centre back in the league and then looking nailed on for top four while manu hover dangerously close to relegation. Big fan. I think Maguire is still good but it’s funny that somehow Utd bought our 3rd best centre back.
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Nov 3, 2019 23:55
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Naughty challenge
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Nov 4, 2019 00:20
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EvilHawk posted:You're conflating two entirely different situations. Mané was making a genuine attempt for the ball and Ederson ducked into his foot. It was a foul, sure, but honestly the red card was ridiculous. Imagine be as stupid as EvilHawk and not thinking that this challenge was worthy of a red card.   Ederson won a header and got studded in the face, that's a red card 100% of the time you loving moron.
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Nov 4, 2019 00:29
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I can’t imagine thinking that’s anything other than a red 7 days a week even if Alan Shearer did it to Lee Cattermole
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Nov 4, 2019 00:35
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Shrapnig posted:Imagine be as stupid as EvilHawk I simply cannot. I'm just not able to think on such grandiose levels.
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Nov 4, 2019 00:35
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ozmunkeh posted:Big fan of Leicester managing to con manu out of 80M for the most overrated, bang average centre back in the league and then looking nailed on for top four while manu hover dangerously close to relegation. Big fan. It's the beginning of November, no one but Liverpool and City are nailed on for anything and even then who knows what will happen.
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Nov 4, 2019 00:56
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Blinkz0rz posted:It's the beginning of November, no one but Liverpool and City are nailed on for anything and even then who knows what will happen. Emery is nailed on for the bin.
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Nov 4, 2019 01:08
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Newcastle nailed on for 4th place imo, Europe here we come
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Nov 4, 2019 01:16
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Obv Benitez was holding them back.
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Nov 4, 2019 01:38
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Newcastle nailed on for 4th place imo, Europe here we come 4th place in the Championship next season with a fluke Cup win is pretty ambitious
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Nov 4, 2019 01:39
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pik_d posted:It was literally a freak accident that happened after the foul. The ref had a yellow out before he saw the injury because it was a yellow card worthy foul. It was a yellow automatically for the fact it was an attempt to take the player. It becomes a red when the consequences of that foul seriously injure the player. If Son doesn't just take the player, he doesn't stumble, he doesn't trap his foot and have it move in ways only an Action Man figure's should.
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Nov 4, 2019 02:01
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Bundy posted:It was a yellow automatically for the fact it was an attempt to take the player. It becomes a red when the consequences of that foul seriously injure the player. If Son doesn't just take the player, he doesn't stumble, he doesn't trap his foot and have it move in ways only an Action Man figure's should.  Yep, accident. Hindsight is a blessing and a curse. Quit being daft.
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Nov 4, 2019 02:42
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So was it a compound fracture or just a floppy leg? I’ve seen legs go and yeah it’s gross but normally people aren’t that upset. the reaction on this one from the crowd made it seem like it was a compound fracture.
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Nov 4, 2019 02:56
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Cannon_Fodder posted:
The foul was totally intentional The result obviously was not. Gomes won’t play for a year, if he ever does again. Son will play again in a couple weeks and that’s it.
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Nov 4, 2019 02:57
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:So was it a compound fracture or just a floppy leg? I’ve seen legs go and yeah it’s gross but normally people aren’t that upset. If the toes of your foot usually point due north, after how he landed from that tackle his toes were pointed due East. It was a horrific ankle injury
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Nov 4, 2019 03:00
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:So was it a compound fracture or just a floppy leg? I’ve seen legs go and yeah it’s gross but normally people aren’t that upset. Fracture + dislocation
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Nov 4, 2019 03:01
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Okay so just a run of the mill horror tackle injury and not a Kevin Ware on the pitch deal
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Nov 4, 2019 05:55
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Shrapnig posted:Imagine be as stupid as EvilHawk and not thinking that this challenge was worthy of a red card. It's a red. But it's not the same as the Son challenge. Mane had his eyes on the ball 100% and wasnt trying to tackle Ederson in the air with a flying boot. Out of curiosity, was the guy that booted Terry in the face red carded? I genuinely can't remember
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Nov 4, 2019 10:22
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CyberPingu posted:Out of curiosity, was the guy that booted Terry in the face red carded? I genuinely can't remember Lol no, Diaby didn’t even get a yellow.
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Nov 4, 2019 12:49
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skasion posted:Lol no, Diaby didn’t even get a yellow. there should be some sort of annual celebration of that
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Nov 4, 2019 12:55
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skasion posted:Lol no, Diaby didn’t even get a yellow. As it should be CyberPingu posted:It's a red. But it's not the same as the Son challenge. Mane had his eyes on the ball 100% and wasnt trying to tackle Ederson in the air with a flying boot. Nobody is arguing that, everyone is pointing out how insane it is for evil hawk to argue it’s not a red
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Nov 4, 2019 13:07
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CyberPingu posted:It's a red. But it's not the same as the Son challenge. Mane had his eyes on the ball 100% and wasnt trying to tackle Ederson in the air with a flying boot. "Eyes on the ball" isn't a defence for dangerous play, it makes it worse if the player is throwing his foot 6-7' in the air with no awareness of who is around him. Intent to hurt is irrelevant if a player is out of control and a danger to others.
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Nov 4, 2019 14:04
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CyberPingu posted:Out of curiosity, was the guy that booted Terry in the face red carded? I genuinely can't remember I don’t even remember that it was a foul. It was a different situation, though. Diaby was trying to control a ball he already played, and Terry’s head was much lower.
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Nov 4, 2019 14:32
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blue footed boobie posted:I don’t even remember that it was a foul. It was a different situation, though. Diaby was trying to control a ball he already played, and Terry’s head was much lower. https://twitter.com/IsMisePaddy/status/786212217494597632?s=20
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sassassin posted:"Eyes on the ball" isn't a defence for dangerous play, it makes it worse if the player is throwing his foot 6-7' in the air with no awareness of who is around him. Intent to hurt is irrelevant if a player is out of control and a danger to others. Yeah but in the same vein, a keeper isn't going to be sent off if he charges out at a corner in an attempt to punch the ball clear and punches someone directly in the face whilst not looking at who is around him
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Nov 4, 2019 15:57
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CyberPingu posted:Yeah but in the same vein, a keeper isn't going to be sent off if he charges out at a corner in an attempt to punch the ball clear and punches someone directly in the face whilst not looking at who is around him Just spitballing here but I believe that keepers are permitted to use their hands and use them above the shoulders
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Nov 4, 2019 16:09
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Bundy posted:It was a yellow automatically for the fact it was an attempt to take the player. It becomes a red when the consequences of that foul seriously injure the player. If Son doesn't just take the player, he doesn't stumble, he doesn't trap his foot and have it move in ways only an Action Man figure's should. That's nowhere in the rules and makes absolutely no sense, the offence is on the *likelihood* of causing severe injury. Should the guy holding back Henrik Larsson when his leg exploded* have got a red? After all it was a foul, and it led to serious injury. What about if a goalie knocks himself out on the post after saving a shot that turned out to be handball**? That's a yellow card offence but it led to a serious injury. On the other side, if a player goes in high over the ball with both feet at knee height and doesn't cause an injury - or even misses the other player altogether - is that now just a yellow card or even a waved play on? * Yes I know this is a hella old reference but it kinda sticks in your head when you've seen it ** Actual example from a few years ago but buggered if I can find it on such a vague recollection
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Nov 4, 2019 16:19
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It's ridiculous to be giving cards on the basis of the result of a challenge. If you happened to be tackling a dude rushed back from injury and he breaks his leg on your very gentle tactical foul, why should that result in any punishment for you?
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Nov 4, 2019 16:34
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goddamnedtwisto posted:On the other side, if a player goes in high over the ball with both feet at knee height and doesn't cause an injury - or even misses the other player altogether - is that now just a yellow card or even a waved play on? Did a Man United player do it? If so no foul, play on.
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Nov 4, 2019 16:36
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As a reminder that football is all drama, I think Son might not have been sent off if he hadn't reacted so despondently. The ref allowed the emotion of the situation to influence him. At the very least the thing should have gone to VAR, though VAR would probably have hosed it up anyway.
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Vegetable posted:As a reminder that football is all drama, I think Son might not have been sent off if he hadn't reacted so despondently. The ref allowed the emotion of the situation to influence him. At the very least the thing should have gone to VAR, though VAR would probably have hosed it up anyway. The ref gave him a yellow originally though?
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Nov 4, 2019 16:37
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That's nowhere in the rules and makes absolutely no sense, the offence is on the *likelihood* of causing severe injury. Should the guy holding back Henrik Larsson when his leg exploded* have got a red? After all it was a foul, and it led to serious injury. What about if a goalie knocks himself out on the post after saving a shot that turned out to be handball**? That's a yellow card offence but it led to a serious injury. On the other side, if a player goes in high over the ball with both feet at knee height and doesn't cause an injury - or even misses the other player altogether - is that now just a yellow card or even a waved play on? Careful bud, we're getting close to making sense. That's dangerous around here.
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Nov 4, 2019 16:40
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:The ref gave him a yellow originally though?
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The whole thing reminded me of the Fabrice Muamba incident. That one was really hosed up, we genuinely thought he was dead and people were openly crying in the stands and all
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