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The Veidt storyline somehow keeps getting funnier.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:04
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I like callbacks as much as the next guy, but this show is getting just sliiightly ridiculous with them. You don't have to wink at the camera half a dozen times per episode, dang it. It's getting embarrassing. Also, "roll on snare drum" etc. wasn't even the Comedian.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:04
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I bought and reread the comic and the show just got a LOT better. It was incomprehensible before. I think this show really requires a decent familiarity with the comic to appreciate
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Nov 4, 2019 04:09
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Mirage posted:I like callbacks as much as the next guy, but this show is getting just sliiightly ridiculous with them. You don't have to wink at the camera half a dozen times per episode, dang it. It's getting embarrassing. "roll on snare drum" was definitely going too far after we had just gotten "republic serial villain," but I'm hopeful that this was just them getting it out of the way now that they've brought one of the original six into the main plot (and finally straight-up said that Veidt is Veidt). Also the game warden obviously has some connection to the Black Freighter, which Veidt has had dreams about, so I'm super-excited to find out what's going on with that.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:09
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That flight on the jet between Laurie and the young agent, made me realize that what we know as readers or watchers of the comics or movies isn't what the civilians in this world know, but there is speculation among them. So, so know really knows that Laurie knew Adrian. SO here's a hypothetical based on that, what if no one knew the story of watchmen. As in, us too, us the viewers, the readers. It was never a comic or movie, no one told the story. I'm making some alt history here. And imagine that, this show still somehow comes out and season 1 is whatever this season is, set in the modern day, local and fed cops, some tech, whatever this season is.... and then season 2 is just the telling of the events from the comic book and movie. Do you think people would like season 2 of that watchmen? OR would they be pissed and roll their eyes and feel duped or something Laurie mentioned the squid monster when she started telling the joke to manhattan, and it's juxtaposition to the realistic look of the show set me off thinking "lol yea right" for a split second and then a "oh wait, yea, thats right" Secondary thought, the comic and movie were from the perspective of Rorschach's journal, so does that mean they could possibly be an unreliable narrator in some spots?
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Nov 4, 2019 04:10
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I think Doc has Adrian imprisoned on Mars. In the first episode when they showed Manhattan on Mars he was building/destroying a structure that looked an awful lot like Adrian's castle.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:11
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Immanentized posted:That burial scene was ridiculous, and not in a good way. I disagree. I thought it was perfectly audacious. "We're never gonna be able to exhume him now."
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Nov 4, 2019 04:16
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robot roll call posted:I think Doc has Adrian imprisoned on Mars. In the first episode when they showed Manhattan on Mars he was building/destroying a structure that looked an awful lot like Adrian's castle. That would explain the somewhat otherworldly nature of his surroundings and his odd technological limitations. And Jon just keeps making clones for him to keep him busy with.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:18
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Le Saboteur posted:That would explain the somewhat otherworldly nature of his surroundings and his odd technological limitations. And Jon just keeps making clones for him to keep him busy with. Also how his clone got frozen by building what looks like a rudimentary space suit and relatively short length of rope.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:20
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RecoomesSexyRear posted:Also how his clone got frozen by building what looks like a rudimentary space suit and relatively short length of rope. Mars is also far enough that you actually would start to freeze in space. Don’t know if that counts for anything, though, since freezing in space is pretty common in fiction.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:22
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I disagree. I thought it was perfectly audacious. I have a feeling Laurie is actually worse than Ozymandias at this point, she just hasn't a chance to truly prove it.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:22
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RecoomesSexyRear posted:Also how his clone got frozen by building what looks like a rudimentary space suit and relatively short length of rope. Ah yeah that was probably him trying to test for a way out and the Game Warden appeared to put him in line.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:24
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Why would a cop call herself Pirate Jenny? I guess cops have no comprehension of irony, much like the capitalists who made a Black Freighter motel. Hopefully the slogan for the rewards card is “why do they spare that one?”
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Nov 4, 2019 04:24
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I need a screen cap of the thing in the briefcase stat
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Nov 4, 2019 04:25
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Le Saboteur posted:Ah yeah that was probably him trying to test for a way out and the Game Warden appeared to put him in line. I’d imagine the Mars phone to Dr. Manhattan is probably involved in how that plot winds up, then.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:26
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Le Saboteur posted:That would explain the somewhat otherworldly nature of his surroundings and his odd technological limitations. And Jon just keeps making clones for him to keep him busy with. Did you notice how whenever the guy servant is killed... another one seems to show up?
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Nov 4, 2019 04:26
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Scooter_McCabe posted:I have a feeling Laurie is actually worse than Ozymandias at this point, she just hasn't a chance to truly prove it. That would be pretty interesting because right now Laurie's the closest thing this show has to a moral center.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:27
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blue squares posted:I bought and reread the comic and the show just got a LOT better. It was incomprehensible before. I think this show really requires a decent familiarity with the comic to appreciate I've been thinking about doing that and using the annotated guide linked earlier. Which version did you get? paperback or deluxe? and how is it, would you reocmmend it?
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Nov 4, 2019 04:27
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KoRMaK posted:Did you notice how whenever the guy servant is killed... another one seems to show up? It seems like he keeps 2 or 3 extras around at any one time.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:30
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:That would be pretty interesting because right now Laurie's the closest thing this show has to a moral center. Seems weird to help round up vigilantes as a response to Nite Owl being in jail?
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Nov 4, 2019 04:30
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robot roll call posted:I think Doc has Adrian imprisoned on Mars. In the first episode when they showed Manhattan on Mars he was building/destroying a structure that looked an awful lot like Adrian's castle. I didn't even think of this. I thought he somehow had a portal or something to Mars, but this makes way more sense. The only hang-up is, why would Dr Manhattan care enough to keep him?
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Nov 4, 2019 04:33
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Le Saboteur posted:It seems like he keeps 2 or 3 extras around at any one time. I wonder how much manhattan could control viedt. Like, did the Blue Dr put Viedt on this whatever island and also far back in the past to slow Viedt's development down. Like, manhattan probably didnt want to lobotomize him, or change is brain too much, so screwing with the molucules of viedts brain is too far. But memory wiping him and giving him amnesia might be do-able? And then sending him to a place where there is barely any tech. It'd be like a prison and make him like a pet or a child in a pen or terrarium
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Nov 4, 2019 04:35
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:That would be pretty interesting because right now Laurie's the closest thing this show has to a moral center. Laurie is wildly immoral. Shooting a fleeing suspect in the back intending to kill him because of her beef with Veidt, her involvement in covering up Veidt's crime, shooting the 7th Cav bomber despite the danger of the suicide vest going off, banging her subordinate, and of course lying to herself that she is better than a vigilante. Her mask is an FBI agent and she gets to hide behind law and order while quietly carrying out her own brand of justice.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:36
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Ok so this episode really seemed like a waste of time.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:36
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that certainly was a giant blue dildo
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Nov 4, 2019 04:37
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When you carry your dildo in a briefcase, its time to admit you have a problem.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:37
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:That would be pretty interesting because right now Laurie's the closest thing this show has to a moral center. I find her terrifying. She has totally embraced her father's legacy and I love it.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:37
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Kazy posted:The only hang-up is, why would Dr Manhattan care enough to keep him? To keep an eye on him? He's proven to be a crafty fucker.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:39
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Tenzarin posted:Ok so this episode really seemed like a waste of time. You're crazy, that was great.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:42
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Hilario Baldness posted:To keep an eye on him? He's proven to be a crafty fucker. Veidt did manage to create a scenario in the comic that Manhattan couldn't properly see coming so I imagine someone of that danger to Dr Manhattan would be seen as someone that should be held for observation.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:45
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Necrothatcher posted:The main thing I've picked up on my Watchmen re-read is how loving incredible Dave Gibbons' art is. It's not particularly showy but goddamn there is some mindblowingly solid visual storytelling going on in that 9-panel grid. Not to take anything away from Gibbons', he's a legend and his art in Watchmen is a masterwork, but a lot of the credit for the visual storytelling has to be shared with Moore. The scripts were detailed on how Moore wanted the art to be outlined. That said, the idea to frame the comic in 9 panels is Gibbons', and that is such a huge part of why the visual storytelling is so strong.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:46
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I like when Laurie shot the bomber. That's her character, taking action... and not always thinking through the consequences. But that's what makers her fun I was relieved when she shot him because it meant we didn't have some long drawn out hostage situation either.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:46
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Macro thought, Watchmen is merely about villains trying to impose their world view on everyone else. Essentially there are no heroes just idiots thinking they can run the world better than the next person.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:48
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Laurie is wildly immoral. Shooting a fleeing suspect in the back intending to kill him because of her beef with Veidt, her involvement in covering up Veidt's crime, shooting the 7th Cav bomber despite the danger of the suicide vest going off, banging her subordinate, and of course lying to herself that she is better than a vigilante. Her mask is an FBI agent and she gets to hide behind law and order while quietly carrying out her own brand of justice. this would barely rate a 1 out of 10 on the Riggs Cop on A Mission scale e: also this thread is almost unreadable with the usual Linddelof speculation bullshit
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Nov 4, 2019 04:49
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Lol that Lindelof is back to doing a weekly podcast where he’ll agIn put himself in the position of talking about but not revealing information from future episodes.
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Nov 4, 2019 04:53
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KoRMaK posted:I like when Laurie shot the bomber. That's her character, taking action... and not always thinking through the consequences. But that's what makers her fun Don’t forget that she and Petey were just made to hand over their firearms in order to enter the cemetery. So she’s got a backup and just gave them the first one lol
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Nov 4, 2019 04:55
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At the end of the book Manhattan saved Adrian's plan and gave a generic, "and now I leave you to the fruits of your labor". sort of farewell. What could Adrian have done to go from that permanent goodbye to Manhattan kidnapping him and holding him prisoner, presumably against his will? Manhattan doing it unprovoked doesn't fit his character. too self serving and he didn't seem to have enough admiration for Adrian to use him as some sort of model for his clones.
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Nov 4, 2019 05:15
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I really want some sunflower seeds
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Nov 4, 2019 05:20
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On some level it's cosmically ironic. Veidt lives in a utopia, almost out of his own making, and yet he's in hell.
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Nov 4, 2019 05:23
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Manhattan also said that he was going to go to another galaxy. I wonder if that’s really him on mars at all.
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Nov 4, 2019 05:24
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