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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i do not recommend searching twitter for #bbc if you're at work lol

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Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

Went out canvassing at the weekend. I'm not very good at the whole persuasion thing, but I hope that just being visible and listening to people is valuable in itself. Going to see if I can find some of the Momentum training material before next time.

Weirdest person I met was the polish guy who walked up while I was talking to his wife and just shouted "Conservative" and slammed the door. Funniest was the enormous ruddy-faced gammon who bellowed "oi'm a Labour man, but this time oi'm votin' Boris".

Also got to meet several very nice Labour activists, a couple of very dull Labour activists, and some excellent doggos.

Would recommend even for antisocial goons.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


I always used to feel more of a lurker than a poster on SA.

Then I looked at my user profile and I was at almost a post a day average.

That average has climbed, meaning since I made that discovery, probably 2 years ago, I've made well in excess of a post a day, given that it's almost a decade of time overall.




Dear lurkers :justpost: then maybe you too will be part of a radical new podcast.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

peanut- posted:

I can't find a link to it now but I definitely read a study that showed for any decrease in business rates, 100% of the cost saving ends up being passed on to commercial landlords. Which makes logical sense, rent & rates are combined fixed premises costs and if the tax element falls the other one will raise.

I'm sure the system is bad and can be reformed, but this whole idea that it's rates that are driving shops out of business probably isn't true and serves more of as a convenient excuse for management to dodge the blame for running crappy shops.

you are correct on the basic economics of it - if it is inelastic, all the incidence falls on the landlord in the long run. Much of the property value is location value, which is largely inelastic. As you point out, the rent just adjusts to the rate.

(this is why the Adam Smith Institute, not normally an opponent of tax cuts, opposed Osborne's cut to business rates)

the problem being posed here is "what if it is not inelastic though". Specifically

- empty shops. If the occupancy rate is not 100% then it can no longer be assumed the incidence falls wholly on the landlord. This is the headline factor that is relevant to voters who see boarded-up shop windows. Say what you will about the endless lettings agents, but if they disappear to zoopla it's not an improvement to high street either. The online-vs-brick&mortar decision shifts the incidence to the tenant
- property values that require owner investment. Rates are on property values per se, not land value, so there is still some elasticity on infrastructure. About a third of commercial businesses own their own property, so it matters for local business groups deciding whether or not to invest in some high street regeneration programme
- rates don't affect companies equally - businesses occupying single small properties enjoy a progressive relief. The higher the rate, the more valuable the relief; business rates hence favour small, single-property businesses that are intensely vulnerable to economic shocks rather than e.g. regional chains of several properties. This fragility drives continual turnover which drives more frequent void periods.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1191264886778712066

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Rarity posted:

I can guarantee to our lurkers that your contributions will have more value than Tess's

you harlot!

Jose posted:

apparently the BBC just said labour shouldn't politicise the NHS just now based on the number of tweets i'm seeing commenting on it

A bunch of medical orgs today came out making GBS threads on Labour and the Tories for politicising the NHS. One of them specifically attacked Labour for offering a nationalised drug manufacturer because "who would fund the research for new medicines??"

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Jose posted:

apparently the BBC just said labour shouldn't politicise the NHS just now based on the number of tweets i'm seeing commenting on it

Not quite, it was the NHS providers chief who went on to blame the NHS's issues on the "extra demand". What an absolute raging oval office.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Not proving me wrong

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Tesseraction posted:

you harlot!


A bunch of medical orgs today came out making GBS threads on Labour and the Tories for politicising the NHS. One of them specifically attacked Labour for offering a nationalised drug manufacturer because "who would fund the research for new medicines??"

lol who is doing it now ffs. the entire reason we're running out of antibiotics is that developing them doesn't make money for pharma companies

it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008

https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/status/1191301597340585984

wow this changes everything!!

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omvFaojjFbU

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


https://twitter.com/yasminjananjum/status/1190593585785311233?s=20

LMAO who wants a limited edition #Rorywalks London mayoral campaign phone cover?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

But... but...



The dream is dead :negative:

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Junior G-man posted:

https://twitter.com/yasminjananjum/status/1190593585785311233?s=20

LMAO who wants a limited edition #Rorywalks London mayoral campaign phone cover?

Too vertical

clear eyes full farts
Jul 3, 2007

the uk is just awful
It's a fake democracy
with free education and healthcare as long as you are a dosser and I am trapped here :(

corbs is a good and the sun is poo poo but lol https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10272024/duping-corbyn-supports-terrorists/

not as funny as millibong.jpg though

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

clear eyes full farts posted:

corbs is a good and the sun is poo poo but lol https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10272024/duping-corbyn-supports-terrorists/

not as funny as millibong.jpg though

Man signs paper in good faith, doesn't scrutinise it for potentially nazi stunt. Epic owned, wrap it up leftailures

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Tesseraction posted:

Man signs paper in good faith, doesn't scrutinise it for potentially nazi stunt. Epic owned, wrap it up leftailures

Just think about how easily he'll be tricked into signing away ARE SOVEREIGNTY.

Eschenique
Jul 19, 2019

clear eyes full farts posted:

corbs is a good and the sun is poo poo but lol https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10272024/duping-corbyn-supports-terrorists/

not as funny as millibong.jpg though

Comment section is like "he signs without reading! He can't be PM!"

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfEtYYqSl4

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

ronya posted:

In many sports, compensation is a lottery - the best player in the world makes mad bank. The tenth best player might need a day job to pay the bills. The difference between their quantifiable performance might be miniscule.

Given the time commitment necessary to compete in these sports, and the impossibility of knowing upfront that one is in fact going to be the mad-bank star, the lottery must pay out exceptionally well to justify the investment. This is what drives up top-end incomes - one is seeing a lottery pay out. But if one takes averages amongst professional players (take your pick in setting some plausible lower limit for determining a "serious" player), average expected compensation is much less. It is possible for most players to earn nothing, even after sinking tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on full-time training, coaches, equipment, etc. - never mind the cost of giving up a stabler career.

There isn't really a good way around this, since as Ms. A observed much of the top-end earnings is from demand for the superstar's performance. Due to the global nature of sport, national attempts to enforce compensation to lower-tier players can be evaded by simply the top-tier players competing on an individual basis elsewhere.

Socialise the entertainment industries. If you make mad bank, your mad bank helps to subsidise those who haven't made it yet, or never will. It's worth supporting people to try, because some of them might become good at it :)

I say this as a poverty-stricken musician who is pretty okay actually :D :toot:

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

https://twitter.com/AndyJBowes/status/1191303641854033920

it really doesn't either

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Tesseraction posted:

wrap it up leftailures

I'm very proud a forums meme I started has now spread to the point people use it without even knowing the original reference :D

it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008


But they might come second after the Tories!

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


Lol Labour are second place and 20,000 votes behind. It's amazing - the Remain alliance strategy really is to turn distant thirds into second places (maybe).

Rarity posted:

I'm very proud a forums meme I started has now spread to the point people use it without even knowing the original reference :D

Wait you're a paradol ex re-reg!?!

Fingerless Gloves
May 21, 2011

... aaand also go away and don't come back
Boris is going to buy that note and wave it around at every chance like the 'no more money' treasury note

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

bashar al assad has a better take on donald trump than anybody in uk politics or media

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Rarity posted:

I'm very proud a forums meme I started has now spread to the point people use it without even knowing the original reference :D

I thought that old :arzy: came up with it?

Boo when did we lose arzy as an emote

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Abolish the home office and essex police

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/04/police-essex-lorry-deaths-appeal-immigration-data-respondents-home-office?CMP=share_btn_tw

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

His Divine Shadow posted:

quote:

I have been researching Millennials and Generation Z for a few years now.

"But as I grow older and more removed it becomes harder and harder. Oh why must I take so long to complete my research into young people? It's one step forward, one foot into the grave oh my god I'm turning to dust I must finish my life's work..."

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
eddie marsan having a nice meltdown last night

https://twitter.com/eddiemarsan/status/1191141039639273472?s=20
https://twitter.com/eddiemarsan/status/1191145849755197440?s=20

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Junior G-man posted:

https://twitter.com/yasminjananjum/status/1190593585785311233?s=20

LMAO who wants a limited edition #Rorywalks London mayoral campaign phone cover?
Will this prevent my phone being stolen by minor gangsters?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Will this prevent my phone being stolen by minor gangsters?

pretty sure it guarantees they'll give you wedgie as a bonus

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/LeftoriumThe/status/1191056165637103616?s=20

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019


he is a landlord tho iirc, probably seen the polls on the turn and started bricking it, actors are notoriously profligate with them royalty cheques and rely on rent to float them

OzyMandrill
Aug 12, 2013

Look upon my words
and despair

Borrovan posted:

No industry regulator & it's not a consumer issue, they're just shitlord capitalists trying to hide behind a convoluted business structure so their workers don't sue them for flagrantly illegal conduct. Luckily hiding the information about their legal personality is itself a crime, so we're gonna shop them for that & all.

I'll try Companies House, & failing that the pigs. Cheers all

Trading standards take a very dim view of not properly publishing business details too, if that applies.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


E: ^^^cheers bud, will flag it there too. These guys are straight-up remorseless thieves who think they are above the law, we're gonna drag them through the mud & then use our win to organise their workforce
Yeah I heard that this morning, it was pretty :psyduck:. Kept going on about how the NHS has very real problems (caused by the Tories) & needs real solutions (like Labour propose), not the kinds of spurious, bogus promises inevitably coming to nothing that (Tory) politicians make during GE campaigns. These problems can only be addressed by not talking about or acknowledging them. Literally "Tories are shitlords & therefore Labour should not highlight that Tories are shitlords".

Sorted out my previous question btw, apparently it's (weirdly) the Insolvency Service that investigates crimes under the Companies Act

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Braggart posted:

Socialise the entertainment industries. If you make mad bank, your mad bank helps to subsidise those who haven't made it yet, or never will. It's worth supporting people to try, because some of them might become good at it :)

I say this as a poverty-stricken musician who is pretty okay actually :D :toot:

this is a live issue in sport economics - many governments want successful national representatives and want to be able to fling money at the problem

but socialising the cost is difficult. Fundamentally people from a hundred $INSERT_HOME_TOWN_HEREs do not turn out to see a hundred top players from $INSERT_HOME_TOWN_HEREs, they want to see the top player from the top, singular. This is what drives the extreme returns. Conversely, governments want successful national representatives, not even more massive numbers of also-rans.

And of course many of the successful will complain loudly and at length about any limitations on their outlier success. Here, The Beatles, a year after being awarded OBEs:

quote:

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

The Who, five years after exploding into mainstream success:

quote:

Away for the weekend
I've gotta play some one-night stands
Six for the tax man, and one for the band

Back in the studio to make our latest number one
Take two-hundred-and-seventy-six
You know, this used to be fun

&c. All involved fled to lower-tax jurisdictions.

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




I made a thing with inspiration from Discord's Brovine

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Truly the likes of Joan Ryan and Heidi Allen are great losses to our political discourse.

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Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

ronya posted:

esp in terms of collective bargaining, bargaining for flextime at the table does come at the expense of workers who might prefer to accept fixed hours and fixed locations instead, and focus on other forms of compensation.

Oh, so some of you want flexible hours and some of you want them to be fixed? You can only pick one in this negotiation. Your move, peasants :smug:

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