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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Tesseraction posted:

"This is your brain. This is your brain, on fubpee" [picture of hundreds of baby spiders on their mother's back]


[e]: 42: The answer to life, the universe and everything. Also the average number of FBPE brainspiders per FBPE brain. Currently at war with the Brexit Brainworms.

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Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

Failed Imagineer posted:

Now we're talking nonce-sense

This is the one thing we didn't want to happen

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


CGI Stardust posted:

Sorry it's taken me a while to respond, my thoughts were/are a bit lacking definition on this, but that's not ever stopped me posting before :v:

I love that one of the outcomes of FLexit seems to be a general acceptance that the borders between good posting, good shitposting, and posting that is just poo poo are very thin in this thread. In the last 48 hours I've seen multiple people I recognise as Very Good Posters going "lol remember when everything I ever posted was literally worthless, just fucken post my dudes" and it's great. Just shows the depths flaps had to sink to in order to be so disliked.

it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008

Archaeology Hat posted:

I think the Lib Dem policy is either to just have a 2nd ref (with no plan for if they lose it) or to just cancel it outright. That I am not sure which is a bit :ironicat:

Brexit is loving dumb but just outright revoking without another referendum seems like a bad idea.

But then if you know you're never going to win why not promise it? gently caress it, revoke A50 and everyone gets a free muffin with an EU flag on top.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

As if everything I posted ever stopped being completely loving worthless.

RockyB
Mar 8, 2007


Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good
https://twitter.com/hbaldwin/status/1191312750506631169

Lmfao, how petty.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

The Lib Dem policy is if Jo Swinson becomes Prime Minister (they actually believe this is possible) then she will revoke Article 50.

Please stop laughing, you're hurting her feelings.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Thinking about that tory "hospital building" policy.

Do we even.. need more hospitals? Cos round here we've got loads of hospitals, most of them very underutilized. Is the rest of the country crying out for more hospitals or is this just an excuse to bung more public money at building contractors for hospitals that will never be staffed?

Considering the majority literally aren't being built and they're just bunging money at developers and hoping I'm surprised I've not seen that line anywhere.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

lol they really are the pettiest cunts

Archaeology Hat
Aug 10, 2009

alphabettitouretti posted:

Brexit is loving dumb but just outright revoking without another referendum seems like a bad idea.

But then if you know you're never going to win why not promise it? gently caress it, revoke A50 and everyone gets a free muffin with an EU flag on top.

I figure there should probably be a referendum to cancel it just to maintain the convention that changing the relationship with the EU requires a referendum but the Leave option should be an actually sensible negotiated deal because having a vote between "We just don't do brexit" and "The hardest brexit and the medicine supply is threatened" is just asking for trouble.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


alphabettitouretti posted:

Regardless of what people say Corbyn wants, isn't labour's policy on Brexit to negotiate a deal then have a 2nd ref? I didn't imagine that did I?

Isn't this the same policy as Lib Dems?

Afaik the libdem 2nd ref would be No Deal vs Remain, making libdems the only party pitching no deal as a probable outcome

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Had a survey through from Luciana Berger for the libdems.

Sending it back with ‘gently caress off, piss-tories’ scrawled across in three inch high letters will probably be the highlight of my day

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Mr Phillby posted:

Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.

I've been following UKMT for years now, altough I did bounce off the thread during the Milliband years because it seemed just pages of arguing about Zizek from my limited exposure at the time. Over time thread has has helped me crystalize my political leanings from 'uncritcally votes labour (blair was good), gently caress the tories' to 'Full socialism now, purge the hated blarites and wreckers but especially gently caress the tories'. It also opened my eyes reading other peoples experiences with gender and identity itt and I got to say 'I am a homosexual' to my parents for the first time last night and I've never been happier.

Feeling positive and optimistic despite everything rn.
:toot: Be gay make posts.

tbf the average person in GB knows gently caress all about NI other than that a bunch of balaclava wearing terrorists live there, and the British state has a vested interest in ensuring that this ignorance remains the case, I can understand why someone might admit that they knew nothing about it during the referendum, it was barely talked about. The only people I heard talking about it were Irish and talking about they hoped Leave won to get a united Ireland, because Brexit meant anything that you wanted it to right up until the morning after.

https://twitter.com/Ciara87C/status/1190800759279030274
I have shocking news for her about nations.

Sanford posted:

I feel this way about "queer". To my mind it belongs in the same stable as poofter and shirtlifter, and no matter how much I'm told it's been reclaimed I can't ever see myself using it, just in case.
I always see "queer" as like People of Color, you use it for the wider community in a less exclusionary way than 'not straight' or 'non-white', calling an individual a Person of Color is too close to just calling them Coloured though, call them the ethnicity that they are if you need to describe their ethnicity.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

ronya posted:

Arguably the head-to-head format of the debates on Nov 19 benefit LDEM and SNP (as long as the latter two carefully continue to maintain how enthusiastic they would be to participate in debates to which they won't be invited - they will certainly turn down smaller events organized just for the minor parties, unless the forum is confirmed to be a friendly one). The reason is simple: Johnson is certain to bang on about his Great New Deal. Corbyn was a tossup previously but it looks like he is confirming that the Clause V meeting will not be allowed to openly contradict Conference, which confirms that the party will go to the polls with "referendum on a credible Leave option or no Brexit".

With Johnson and Corbyn on a national stage pitching their Leave proposals, that would fuel furious remainers for the week following the debate

not sure why you think jo swinson will suddenly become good at these sort of things when she's competing against other party leaders

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
love to ruthlessly purge people by having them resign to try and force me to quit

https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/status/1191258421116522496?s=20

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

How the gently caress do they think this helps them? I'm looking at tory majority odds of 10/11 and wondering wtf everyone knows that I don't know.

Their election campaign to date has been "we're loving useless, please send help!" and paying punters have them basically evens to win.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Guavanaut posted:


I always see "queer" as like People of Color, you use it for the wider community in a less exclusionary way than 'not straight' or 'non-white', calling an individual a Person of Color is too close to just calling them Coloured though, call them the ethnicity that they are if you need to describe their ethnicity.

Sometimes it's hard to gauge someone's ethnicity accurately if I don't have my calipers on me though

/peering at myself in the mirror

Ah, a degenerate ham sandwich, fallen too far to be a race adversary

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Communist Thoughts posted:

Sometimes it's hard to gauge someone's ethnicity accurately if I don't have my calipers on me though
Ask them :ssh:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Betting odds do not reflect reality, they reflect the consensus position of people who like to bet on things.

If they reflected reality then betting companies would make no money.

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said
Thanks for clarifying whether Paddy Power have the ability to predict the future or not, much less confused now.

Blasmeister
Jan 15, 2012




2Time TRP Sack Race Champion


cowards for not putting the DUP on there

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
The LDEM position has been unconditional unilateral revocation of A50 since mid September, shortly after the Benn Act ruling out No Deal passed. Previously it was a second referendum between Remain and No Deal.

The SNP position has been unconditional unilateral revocation of A50 as well since mid April, shortly after the Euro elections. Previously it was to revoke A50 if the alternative is No Deal.

The Labour position has been to negotiate its own credible Leave option since Conference in late September, and then subject it to a referendum in which the party's position will be decided at an unspecified later date following a Labour majority at a general election. Prior to that, between the Euros and Conference its position was also a credible Leave option, but naturally did not specify a particular Brexit deal since the Tories were not yet with one would survive the Commons. The party also did not commit to the position it would support at such a referendum. Prior to the Euros its position was that a second referendum was one of many options to stop a Tory Brexit, but that a general election would be preferred. There are some further prior-prior-priors here - a customs union vs the customs union, four tests, six tests, etc. - but those are receding ever deeper into the trashcan of history

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Sanford posted:

I love that one of the outcomes of FLexit seems to be a general acceptance that the borders between good posting, good shitposting, and posting that is just poo poo are very thin in this thread. In the last 48 hours I've seen multiple people I recognise as Very Good Posters going "lol remember when everything I ever posted was literally worthless, just fucken post my dudes" and it's great. Just shows the depths flaps had to sink to in order to be so disliked.

There are no good posts or bad posts. There are only posts.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Cunning politics to have a clock reminding everyone how long it's been since you got owned and humiliated

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

Rustybear posted:

How the gently caress do they think this helps them? I'm looking at tory majority odds of 10/11 and wondering wtf everyone knows that I don't know.

Their election campaign to date has been "we're loving useless, please send help!" and paying punters have them basically evens to win.
They've got nothing left to offer except playing the victim against the Evil Forces of the EU and the Remoaners. Spite and hate is the only motivating force they have.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Rustybear posted:

Thanks for clarifying whether Paddy Power have the ability to predict the future or not, much less confused now.

I'm saying if you see a betting site with safe odds on something, and you want to make a safe bet on it, then you'll pick the safe option, and thereby make it even safer.

It's like... designed to snowball, and a situation where everyone believes something to be super likely to happen but it doesn't, that's good for the bookies, because that means they get to take everyone's money.

It doesn't mean much except that there's a self-reinforcing consensus that the tories are clearly likely to win, which, well, you already know if you've watched the news, because that's what they'll tell you.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Nov 4, 2019

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

Thinking about that tory "hospital building" policy.

Do we even.. need more hospitals? Cos round here we've got loads of hospitals, most of them very underutilized. Is the rest of the country crying out for more hospitals or is this just an excuse to bung more public money at building contractors for hospitals that will never be staffed?

Considering the majority literally aren't being built and they're just bunging money at developers and hoping I'm surprised I've not seen that line anywhere.

That Student Doctor who castigated Johnson at Addenbrooke's was on Sky News yesterday talking about exactly this - "he talks about building more hospitals but we don't need more buildings, we need more STAFF, and new EQUIPMENT in the currently open ones!"

She was very good at getting her points across and for sounding non-partisan (she criticised Gordon Brown for bigotgate, not because of calling Duffy out, but because it was a period of photo op "meeting the plebs" without addressing substance, which she accuses Johnson of doing - but pointedly never mentioned Corbyn at all).

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Jose posted:

love to ruthlessly purge people by having them resign to try and force me to quit

https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/status/1191258421116522496?s=20

remember when Jewish people mass resigned in protest of Hitler's premiership

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tesseraction posted:

remember when Jewish people mass resigned in protest of Hitler's premiership
That did happen. One of the first laws the Nazis passed was the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service on April 7th, 1933, banning Jews from public sector jobs, and a lot of Jewish people in related private sector occupations also walked out in solidarity.

Then things got worse.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.




This is adorable. Wonder why it's not tracking the days since 29 March. :confused:

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


ronya posted:

The LDEM position has been unconditional unilateral revocation of A50 since mid September, shortly after the Benn Act ruling out No Deal passed. Previously it was a second referendum between Remain and No Deal.

The SNP position has been unconditional unilateral revocation of A50 as well since mid April, shortly after the Euro elections. Previously it was to revoke A50 if the alternative is No Deal.

The Labour position has been to negotiate its own credible Leave option since Conference in late September, and then subject it to a referendum in which the party's position will be decided at an unspecified later date following a Labour majority at a general election. Prior to that, between the Euros and Conference its position was also a credible Leave option, but naturally did not specify a particular Brexit deal since the Tories were not yet with one would survive the Commons. The party also did not commit to the position it would support at such a referendum. Prior to the Euros its position was that a second referendum was one of many options to stop a Tory Brexit, but that a general election would be preferred. There are some further prior-prior-priors here - a customs union vs the customs union, four tests, six tests, etc. - but those are receding ever deeper into the trashcan of history

I thought centrists liked well thought over, and revised to meet expectations, policies?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

That did happen. One of the first laws the Nazis passed was the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service on April 7th, 1933, banning Jews from public sector jobs, and a lot of Jewish people in related private sector occupations also walked out in solidarity.

Then things got worse.

I note your "well actually" and have banked one pedantcoin in the piggy bank

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

OwlFancier posted:

I'm saying if you see a betting site with safe odds on something, and you want to make a safe bet on it, then you'll pick the safe option, and thereby make it even safer.

It's like... designed to snowball, and a situation where everyone believes something to be super likely to happen but it doesn't, that's good for the bookies, because that means they get to take everyone's money.

Bookies make money whoever wins unless they hosed up majorly; everyone and their nan understand adjusted odds and most people gambling for fun have no interest in taking bets with minimal return; so none of what you've posted really follows.

A market where one option is 10/11 and the other 100/1 is really bad for the bookies as nobody will bother with either the dead cert that pays nothing or the longshot that will never come good.

It was just a throwaway comment that everyone seems to be absolutely certain about Boris for some huge reason I cannot find.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Tesseraction posted:

Also looking at the etymology of nonce (in terms of cryptography) and the insult, interesting:

nonce as in a once-time use comes from "than anes" (to/for the one (occasion/instance)) which ended up contracting to nonse/nonce

nonce as in paedo from either nonse as in nonsense or linguistic shift from nance, as in nancy boy.

I thought it came from the prison acronym, Not On Normal Courtyard Excursion.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tesseraction posted:

I note your "well actually" and have banked one pedantcoin in the piggy bank
Pedantcoin is my new cryptocurrency, you mine it by hundreds of people making trivial corrections to the ledger, when you want to transfer currency you send a message to the recipient saying 'Hitler was a socialist' and the work pool does the rest.

e: ^^ *boots up mining rig* I'm fairly sure that's a backronym.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Darth Walrus posted:

I thought it came from the prison acronym, Not On Normal Courtyard Excursion.

That absolutely sounds like an acronym made to fit the term

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

e: ^^ *boots up mining rig* I'm fairly sure that's a backronym.

takin it up the back-ronym

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean I don't gamble at all so I literally do not understand odds at all, it's literally meaningless numbers to me, I just don't want people fretting because some lovely thing designed to get you to spend as much money as possible is predicting a tory win.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Maybe they're all betting on a Tory majority like I am, so that if it happens I can afford 4 days of health insurance.

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Jose posted:

That absolutely sounds like an acronym made to fit the term

My rule of thumb is that acronyms don't actually exist.

Occasionally I'll get caught out, and something actually is an acronym, but the odds are very much in my favour.

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