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Pissflaps has passed away. RIP u will live on forever. Can't believe it. I wanna run to u. Really can't believe this. @
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Communist Thoughts posted:Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value Take a slave on a cotton plantation. They work long hours under the whip and the plantation owner gets 100% of what they produce. A slaveholding conservative would say that, if the defences against revolt or escape are sufficient, then that’s the way things are. What’s more, they could be worse; the slaves could revolt and kill us. So that’s all the justification needed for how they are. A classical liberal would say there is ‘coercion’ happening , and this is morally wrong, even if effective. And what more, it is not necessary, because free market could produce at least as great quantity of goods comparable cost. At least once all the expense of guarding against a revolt is taken into account . A Marxist says the same of a factory worker who gets, say, one fifth the value of what they produce, but with ‘exploitation’ replacing ‘coercion’. The liberal says if there is no coercion, there is no problem. And if the union-busting measures are sufficient and revolution is avoided, then, well, that’s the way things are, and they could be worse.
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Nov 4, 2019 23:21
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I feel sorry for Pissflaps (and a bunch of other permabanned posters for that matter too). Like yeah it's kinda his own fault and the threadban was justified, but I still do.
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https://twitter.com/CliveEnderby/status/1191355243151462401
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feedmegin posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/04/new-zealand-accused-of-racism-after-visa-rule-throws-arranged-marriages-into-chaos so are you for forced marriages?
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 radmonger posted:Take a slave on a cotton plantation. They work long hours under the whip and the plantation owner gets 100% of what they produce.
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Nov 4, 2019 23:28
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everyone's been busy yelling about the tories deciding to ban fracking, what's being missed is the source. scotgov consultation from april 2019 worked on since 2017: https://consult.gov.scot/energy-and-climate-change-directorate/unconventional-oil-and-gas-sea/quote:Overview a reminder that there is still a hedge-bet on hydrogen in the gas network if r&d works out: quote:A reduction in emissions from heat could be realised by the use of these gases in the gas network. For instance, a transition toward a hydrogen-based gas grid would require production of hydrogen from natural gas (in a process known as steam methane reforming) alongside renewable-based production. The production of hydrogen from steam methane reformation would need to be coupled with carbon capture and storage in order to gain the carbon benefits of hydrogen as a fuel source.
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Nov 4, 2019 23:32
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that is some roasted loving gammon right there
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Ratjaculation posted:so are you for forced marriages? Obviously that is exactly what I mean yes well done
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Took me a few seconds! https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1191448430163513346?s=20 Also (separate): https://twitter.com/Socialist_Chris/status/1191263813326266368?s=20 Also (separate): Ed: turns out this is a parody account I think! https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=20 Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 4, 2019 23:42
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:
½O2 + H2O + C => H2 + CO2 Oxygen + coal creates enough heat (393 kJ/mol) to keep the coals glowing and fuel the water cracking (131 kJ/mol). Reduces our reliance on natural gas, captures the carbon dioxide at the point of manufacture, and produces plentiful hydrogen gas. Arthur Scargill would be proud. It's still a fossil fuel using process, but a carbon neutral one and one that critically doesn't need natural gas, but something that we can dig up without causing earthquakes. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Nov 4, 2019 23:46
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feedmegin posted:Obviously that is exactly what I mean yes well done
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Nov 4, 2019 23:50
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OwlFancier posted:Not enormously sure the voter on the doorstep would respond well to me frothing at the mouth and screaming my lust for the blood of tories. But your admirable lust for the blood of tories is presumably a consequence of how despicable the tories are, think about why you actually hate the tories in positive terms. It can be as basic as 'people should have housing that is fire safe, even if it does cost minutely more", don't lead with wanting to ritualistically murder all tories, even though thats the morally correct position, start with the disgusting blockades on basic human decency they are artificially imposing and be against them.
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Hi goons, still having trouble not lurking here (because I only just got to the end of the thread) but it's great to hear about everyone convincing relatives. Also, the Lib Dems are pretending that my constituency, Stockport, is now a lab-lib marginal. Perhaps their Big Brain algorithm got confused by the defector.
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Tesla was right posted:Hi goons, still having trouble not lurking here (because I only just got to the end of the thread) but it's great to hear about everyone convincing relatives. you can't post that without including this pre:Labour Ann Coffey 26,282 63.3 +13.4 Conservative Daniel Hamilton 11,805 28.4 +3.9 Liberal Democrat Daniel Hawthorne 1,778 4.3 -3.4 Guavanaut posted:
This is very cool, glad hot coals finally have a use beyond firewalking on Bali's beaches e: don't know how to get that fixed text to align lol Somebody fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 4, 2019 23:56
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Looking forward to Jo Swinson's upcoming performance in Cleggmania 2: Cleg Harder.
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So I noticed a lot of people in my circles who subscribe to the 'All parties are the same' mentality (especially regarding LD and Labour when it comes to anything other than Brexit policy) have been touting about a particular website. If you google "What party should I vote for?" it comes up as the number one hit as well for me. https://uk.isidewith.com/parties/liberal-democrat/policies (linking specifically to the LD policies page) It's a huge quiz where it'll then basically tell you Hey you're 90% Labour and 90% LD 90% Green! You should vote for whoever you like as the policies are the same! (nudge nudge... Brexit! vote LD!) It takes all its policy points from public statements, doesn't look at voting record at all and has some mega spurious polling information as well. I'm currently picking it apart a little but it's slow going. What do you all think?
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Making them gently caress off forever seems like an excellent reason to support Labour. Clarkson is basically the ur-Gammon. edit: "All politicians and parties are the same" is a symptom of late 90s/early 00s "we have definitely solved politics forever" thinking and its baffling to me people still hold to it a decade after it was shown to be total bollocks. double edit: I have relatives who work for the NHS and they dont vote because they dont think politics has any impact on their lives. It blows my mind. Random Integer fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 00:13
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radmonger posted:A classical liberal would say there is ‘coercion’ happening , and this is morally wrong, even if effective. Someone hasn't read Liberalism: A Counter-History. I know we've not been going on about so much lately because it's in the OP and all that, but c'mon.
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https://twitter.com/SteffanBlayney/status/1191479499034177536 e: Nevermind, it's a westminster thing Pelican Street fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 00:24
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um. that's from Johnson's actual account, and isn't a parody. what? how does that happen? did they update all their templates in advance?
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Nov 5, 2019 00:29
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The replies are currently everyone asking him to release the russia report.
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Nov 5, 2019 00:31
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It's a Westminister thing. They put the sender at the top of the letter and the receipient's name at the end. And every time someone on Twitter goes "heeeeey I think you made a mistake there!".
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Nov 5, 2019 00:32
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Ah well that explains it, I haven't seen that before. Was very amused at the prospect of No. 10 anticipating defeat already
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Nov 5, 2019 00:35
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Noooooooooooooooo The Bins in Blaenau Gwent (Labour MP). Ed: Independent councillors (not TIGS or CHUKS or whatever). 'They said they would do better than Labour but.. " Would be alright for people like me but larger families are going to struggle. They are really looking old now. Clarkson looks like he'll be mummified soon.
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xtothez posted:It's a Westminister thing. They put the sender at the top of the letter and the receipient's name at the end. ugh. time to go to bed, i think. i am a shameful poster
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I'm sure he thinks he's being clever, but the stupid thing about this is that he's very publicly giving Corbyn a chance to write a bangin comeback which the press are kind of going to have to acknowledge.
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Vitamin P posted:Not the best person to answer this, I really only do any activism when there's an election, but rhetorically and mentally find yourself a strong ground. For me it's my cousin, he has a disability that requires complex care, and a friend of mine that's a single mum. When I start to feel depressed or hopeless I think about them, recognise the basic loving objective truth that lab 'moderates'/lib dems/tories want to and have made their lives much more painful for no greater purpose than the rich having more money and it's like yeah drag yourself out to do your little bit then legit feel really good and sort of righteously defiant when you get home and play video games/shitpost again. Never thought I'd die side by side agreeing with a Vitamin P post
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I'm sure he thinks he's being clever, but the stupid thing about this is that he's very publicly giving Corbyn a chance to write a bangin comeback which the press are kind of going to have to acknowledge. Corbyn is literally giving a big speech on Brexit tomorrow so I'm not sure why Johnson has wasted his time on this letter. If the intention was to draw attention to Labour's Brexit policy... just wait 24 hours? Right now it has zero impact apart from telling Corbyn what attack lines he can expect and give him chance to counter them.
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Mebh posted:So I noticed a lot of people in my circles who subscribe to the 'All parties are the same' mentality (especially regarding LD and Labour when it comes to anything other than Brexit policy) Also worth noting that this site contains a poll timeline that currently goes CON 30% LAB 24% LIB 22% but which has no citations attached. All in all it's sketchy af. I answered its quiz with max socialism and it said I was 91% LAB 90% LIB and somehow 36% UKIP  e: Someone answer the quiz with full Tory and see how the Lib Dems come out of that Rarity fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 00:52
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Feel like pure poo poo just want it back
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Nov 5, 2019 00:53
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Dear lord that's almost Trumpesque. Surprised it didn't end with 'I'll call you' like the letter to Turkey.
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Rarity posted:Also worth noting that this site contains a poll timeline that currently goes CON 30% LAB 24% LIB 22% but which has no citations attached. All in all it's sketchy af. I answered its quiz with max socialism and it said I was 91% LAB 90% LIB and somehow 36% UKIP Well what's in the word "nazi"? Yeah exactly. You dirty socialist antisemite you.
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Rarity posted:Hi folks! Your friends at Podcasting is Praxis have been hashing out election plans over the next few weeks and something we want to get working on asap is an episode that's essentially a campaign guide. So we'll be talking about how to get involved, what to expect, what kind of talking points will be useful on the doorstep and we're hoping to make it a resource for all the newbie activists who are going out for the first time this election. So what we'd like to do is throw out an open invitation to experienced campaigners who've been involved with elections, the Brexit referendum, the Scots Y/N referendum and other such things to come and join us for some fun and educational discussion. If that's you then please come hang out in the Discord or shoot one of us a message. Your knowledge can really help make a difference! CoolCab posted:hot drat that's a good fuckin idea for a themed podcast episode It fuckin owns as an idea and I’m hoping we can do it next week, but we really won’t manage anything without help from outside the regular cast. If anyone has any experience as above and is willing to come on the pod please do! Post in the discord, PM me, get me on the discord or twitter, whatever. If anyone has worked closely with momentum before that would be super useful as I’m aware they’re very on the ball with this type of stuff.
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VideoGames posted:It was time. 
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Looking at the gap between past ISC reports going to the PM and being released, over 6 weeks isn't that unusual: http://isc.independent.gov.uk/news-archive?offset=10 The thing is, following on from that and saying that it's therefore okay ignores the fact that if it takes that long to release this report in particular then it's loving useless because we need to know about election interference before the election.
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Bardeh posted:everyone join with me in directing our energy towards hoping that plane crashes. togethter we can do this I thought this was a bit mean spirited until I realised it was a joke... ...like on Top Gear.
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Nov 5, 2019 02:06
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I started following a political shitposting group on facebook and they've gone a bit strange. 
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forkboy84 posted:Someone hasn't read Liberalism: A Counter-History. I know we've not been going on about so much lately because it's in the OP and all that, but c'mon. Perhaps you should reread it. As he quite correctly points out, plenty of whigs and proto-liberals owned slaves, just like plenty of nominal socialists are currently landlords or shareholders. But what he omits is that pretty much all contemporary Tories did, or wanted to; you didn’t need to twist the ideology or ignore reality to justify it. To quote it: However, with the establishment of the principle of the "uselessness of slavery among ourselves," the positions expressed by Fletcher ceased to be, or ceased to be accepted as, liberal. It is true that they took a long time to die. As late as 1838, a German liberal reported the "advice, certainly more hinted at than clearly stated, which would wish to find a remedy for the serious danger [represented by an unprecedented and acute social question] in the introduction of veritable slavery for factory workers." But it was a suggestion rejected with disdain: the line of demarcation of the liberal "party" had been drawn for a while. Using a definition of a word that was already clearly obsolete by 1838 is perhaps best left to Jacob Rees Mogg.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I started following a political shitposting group on facebook and they've gone a bit strange. I don't know how an educated man like yourself can confuse the word strange with the word good
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