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I hope every episode teases blue penis until the final episode when we get a fully erect blue cock.
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duck trucker posted:I hope every episode teases blue penis until the final episode when we get a fully erect blue cock. Me too
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Sleeveless posted:In the first episode he says he is going to write a play and then in the second episode he has not only written the play but had it performed enough to be familiar with and annoyed by the clones' acting quirks. In the second episode he has the idea of using corpses for materials when pulling the dead clone out of the incinerator, in the third episode he has made enough human leather to make a spacesuit out of. There is definitely significant amounts of time passing between episodes.
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Nov 5, 2019 14:27
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It's not necessarily true that the Veidt stuff is happening concurrently with the Tulsa stuff.
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10 Beers posted:There can't be that large of an amount of time between episodes, right? Chief dies in the first episode, cops find him, go hunting the Cavalry and have a gathering at his house in the second episode, his funeral is in the third episode. Nothing about that suggests huge time lapses. The Veidt stuff doesn't have to be happening at the same time as everything else. And this wouldn't even be the first time a big HBO adaptation of a decades-old piece of science fiction had a seperate plotline that was being shown asynchronously from the main plot and wasn't revealed to the audience until the end of the season.
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Hakkesshu posted:Judd is Dan Dreiberg, that's why he had the owl ship, and that's why Laurie is on the case. I am so glad this show isn't tying in to that Doomsday Clock poo poo.
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Nov 5, 2019 14:44
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I don't think we know if Veidt's segments are happening at the same time as the rest of the show, if they all take place before or after the rest of the story, if it's taking place in some weird space dimension where time is dilated, if it's all taking place in his mind so time doesn't really matter, or if it's all some abstract representation of the process of becoming a time God. So I wouldn't rely on using the A plot as a means to determine how long Veidt's parts are taking. e:fb
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Nov 5, 2019 14:46
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Indeed, given that the Veidt stuff is happening on a shorter timeframe, it seems like it's happening before the Tulsa stuff. I get the impulse to have him not be on Mars, but the spacesuit really sealed "he's in space" for me. If it's Antarctica, why did he need oxygen? If it's an island, why did they freeze? I'm increasingly convinced that the Veidt arc is backstory starting at the time of his disappearance in 2012. White Night happened in 2016. We are in 2019. I'm fully expecting the plot lines to converge at some point and for Veidt to be involved with 7K as a modern version of his 1980s false flag. I'm not sure how or why, but it mirrors the story for the Peteypedia article on the painting. Regardless, for people who think Veidt is either in a prison of his own design or not involved with Manhattan, who is he thumbing his nose at with the play? Is that just for his amusement? He called the clones props: that suggests an audience beyond himself.
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Nov 5, 2019 14:52
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Lol at this take when literally the next thing that happens is that Laurie looks depressed and then goes and has sex with a real live human who (and I have to admit that this hasn’t been confirmed yet, this is just speculation) doesn’t have a colossal blue dick.
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Nov 5, 2019 14:59
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I can't believe so many people struggle with the plotline 'laurie becomes her mother' when that was such a key aspect of the books. People are loving bad at consuming media.
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Nov 5, 2019 15:22
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I just realized that another parallel to The Black Freighter with Veidt's subplot is that in BF the man sails home on a raft made of corpses while Veidt tried to escape his prison with a suit made from corpses.Comrade Fakename posted:Lol at this take when literally the next thing that happens is that Laurie looks depressed and then goes and has sex with a real live human who (and I have to admit that this hasn’t been confirmed yet, this is just speculation) doesn’t have a colossal blue dick. I don't read comic books or regularly interact with the comic book community but without fail every big comics person I see on Twitter is an angry dipshit who seems to hate comics and completely misses the point of almost every piece of media they consume, the only real change over the years has been that now there are a lot of women and minorities that are angry twitter dipshits with bad taste as well.
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Nov 5, 2019 15:24
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My theory is Veidt started getting dementia and threatened to reveal he faked the squid and Manhattan made an ecosystem for him on Mars, and all of these Veidt sequences are set before the series and are gonna culminate with Veidt begging Manhattan to "Do it!" before destroying his habitat as we see in episode 1. Also, in a comic where a rape victim falls in love with her rapist, I think someone not fully getting over their god-ex is the less weird.
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Nov 5, 2019 15:26
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It's not really a fair way to judge things, because people who are happy don't post angry poo poo on twitter,
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Nov 5, 2019 15:28
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Maybe it's because I never really got into the comics or anything, but I'm rooting for the Veidt stuff to end up being completely detached from the actual plot, just a literal recreation of Audrey's arc from twin peaks' third season or something.
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Nov 5, 2019 15:29
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Szmitten posted:My theory is Veidt started getting dementia and threatened to reveal he faked the squid and Manhattan made an ecosystem for him on Mars, and all of these Veidt sequences are set before the series and are gonna culminate with Veidt begging Manhattan to "Do it!" before destroying his habitat as we see in episode 1. Hey look at that. A good theory. /thread
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Szmitten posted:My theory is Veidt started getting dementia and threatened to reveal he faked the squid and Manhattan made an ecosystem for him on Mars, and all of these Veidt sequences are set before the series and are gonna culminate with Veidt begging Manhattan to "Do it!" before destroying his habitat as we see in episode 1. I think that if that was the case manhattan would either 1) struggle to give a poo poo or 2) just paste veidt like he did roscharch.
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Nov 5, 2019 16:51
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I don't know why people keep saying that Dr. Manhattan stopped caring about humanity. From the last exchange with Ozzy: O: But you'd regained interest in human life... M: Yes, I have. I think perhaps I'll create some.
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Nail Rat posted:I don't know why people keep saying that Dr. Manhattan stopped caring about humanity. From the last exchange with Ozzy: Surely thats the joke in the exchange though? He's started being interested in human life...but not in the way that humans do.
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massive spider posted:Surely thats the joke in the exchange though? He's started being interested in human life...but not in the way that humans do. And Ozy's "clones" are human life... but not in the way humans are.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:08
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The spacesuit and frozen clone thing definitely makes me believe the idea that Veidt is on Mars or something but I just can’t get past that all these scenarios just don’t seem like poo poo Dr Manhattan would do. Even if dude really did have renewed interest in life, human or otherwise, sealing Veidt in an elaborate fake 18th century Scottish estate for unknown reasons seems needlessly complicated in a very human way that I can’t imagine Manhattan being interested in. And if it is punishment or a lesson or whatever, it seems uncharacteristically petty or pointed. To me it seems like the kind of obtuse dandy poo poo Veidt would think up, not the Doctor. Dammit, I need more data
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Nov 5, 2019 17:32
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By the way while I'm mostly enjoying the show I didn't quite get the punchline of Laurie's joke, unless it's to say she doesn't care about whether she's right or wrong or God's approval anymore. But Jon certainly doesn't give a gently caress about ordinary human morals either so I don't see why he'd be getting judged. However, "republic serial villain" and "roll on snare drum, curtains, good joke" were loving AWFUL and whomever included those lines should be exiled to Mars.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:51
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Republic serial villain was fine because it's something Veidt said in the past. People always have go-to comparisons they use regularly. Laurie's roll on snare drum was really reaching because it's not a line she originally said.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:56
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I also disliked both of those, but justified the former in the same way, and the latter as Laurie wryly quoting Rorschach to the guy who killed him. But both spring from the worst kind of sequel instinct, which is just "Remember that thing you liked from the original? Well here it is again!"
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Didn't Rorschach write all his narration/commentary in his journal entries that Laurie probably read after it was disseminated?
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Nail Rat posted:"roll on snare drum, curtains, good joke" this line made my eyes roll out of my head and onto the floor.
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Nov 5, 2019 18:31
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The dialog in this show is loving atrocious, everybody speaks with the same voice. Or rather they don't necessarily speak to each another, they mostly just quip at each other.
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I'm pretty sure it was said with dry sarcasm, but yeah, this show balances all the crazy poo poo going on with an overuse of it at all times. It does get tiresome.
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I like that the published version of Rorschach’s journal, possibly with interpolated white supremacist poo poo in it, has a cover inspired by the Turner Diaries cover: 
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Since it’s the 5th of November let’s discuss the possibility of a similarly modernized V for Vendetta sequel. The U.K. is now a Socialist state with no police but it’s the politicians wearing V masks!! The monarchy, office of Prime Minister, and House of Lords have been dissolved. Political rallies and speeches are outlawed to prevent demagoguery and fascism. You don’t know the identity of who you’re voting for, only their policy positions. Yet there is a fascist faction on the rise wearing Guy Fawkes masks spray painted silver...led by...Evey???!! It turns out Evey has concluded there always needs to be a fascist threat that can be quelled in order to keep complacency and actual fascism in check. She dies for this cause. Hire me HBO
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Agent355 posted:I can't believe so many people struggle with the plotline 'laurie becomes her mother' when that was such a key aspect of the books. But if they don’t deliberately misinterpret the scene, how can they scream on Twitter that Lindelof doesn’t get it? Gotta get those sweet sweet twitter clicks somehow.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Lol at this take when literally the next thing that happens is that Laurie looks depressed and then goes and has sex with a real live human who (and I have to admit that this hasn’t been confirmed yet, this is just speculation) doesn’t have a colossal blue dick. then again, Laurie Blake never knew Ostermann
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graham cracker posted:Didn't Rorschach write all his narration/commentary in his journal entries that Laurie probably read after it was disseminated? Even if she did, why the gently caress would she quote that. It's nonsensical except to be like "yeah we still remember Rorschach too"
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Nail Rat posted:Even if she did, why the gently caress would she quote that. It's nonsensical except to be like "yeah we still remember Rorschach too" She's talking to the man who killed Rorschach.
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Nov 5, 2019 20:37
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Sleeveless posted:She's talking to the man who killed Rorschach. You can come up with an explanation for anybody to say that line if they had any connection to Rorschach if that's the way you're going to draw the connection. Rorschach never even said it, he wrote it in his journal. It wasn't even remotely close to the actual event of his death (in terms of the story, at least). Also, there's no reason to think Dr. Manhattan ever cared enough to teleport to Earth to read the journal after it was published. He wasn't even in the presence of Rorschach after he wrote that line (until he dropped the second draft of his journal off before heading to Antarctica). So it's not like he just happened to speedread the journal after merking him either. Not to mention it's not even that good of a line on its own, as it would be in a reprinted journal of questionable authenticity. It's the imagery of the Comedian meeting his end, with the curtains being when he splatters on the ground. There is no explanation that makes sense at all. She's telling a joke so the writers thought "ooh let's make a callback." Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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TenementFunster posted:did anyone else think that Peter looks like a young Ostermann or a 2009-era Billy Crudup, and that might be part of the reason Blake had a soft spot to bring him along? so the big idea of the episode is the things we carry from our past, and how they find their way back in the future; whether that's the brick joke, Judd's eulogy, or the Ozymandias costume the same also applies to Laurie, but even more, because she has the messiest past of any character we've seen in the show so far, in part due to that one event where she's one of four people that know the truth about the Squid and Veidt's involvement with it; that plus the fact that Dan has been in FBI custody for literally 25 years add up to her feeling lonely as all hell and then there's Dale Petey, this total loving dork, who doesn't just study history, but clings to it, brings it with him wherever he goes, because he thinks the answers are in there, obviously he thinks Rorschach's diary is total conspiratorial nonsense, but still, he might get what it feels like, he might understand how lonely Laurie truly is; so, after considering for a moment a retreat into the big blue past, she decides to give the man in a Lone Ranger mask a shot; it doesn't really work, but before she unmoors herself from the present, a big pile of space junk gets laid at her feet, a sign from the sky that we can never really go back e: and incidental to all that, as part of that whole idea of "clinging on to the past", yeah, Laurie and Adrian break out the old catchphrases; if you wanna build the in-universe argument for it, Rorschach's diary is a best-seller and it's been turned into the biggest show on television, that one of its most somehow meaningful asides would turn into a catchphrase doesn't seem that far out ElNarez fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 20:47
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It's only Tuesday and we're already in the mid week slump
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Obviously Rorschach gained a huge cult of personality after his death and release of his journal. 30 years later, white supremacists have co-opted that cult, but in the meantime it would make sense that his journal was scrutinized by the public at large for years. I mean it would be like if wikileaks absolutely 100% proved that the Illuminati was real. Everyone on Earth would read that information. So anyway, years later his little quips become common parlance. Hence, roll on snare drum. It has extra meaning when directed towards Manhattan, the person that killed Rorschach.
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Has anyone gotten the soundtrack yet? Apparently it's presented as an in-universe album with a whole lot of worldbuilding of its own. The fictional band Sons of Pale Horse was apparently attempting to make a challenging and satirical album about Rorschach which ended up getting picked up by actual Rorschach diehards.
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Mike the TV posted:It has extra meaning when directed towards Manhattan, the person that killed Rorschach. If he read it, which, why would he have read it? It was published after he left Earth, and Rorschach didn't have a copy of the journal in Antarctica. He also hadn't written that line in his journal the last time Dr. Manhattan was in his presence before that.
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