Star Citizen: $48,000 is only $334/month for 12 years

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Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

The non-fidelitious Zoo game has 34 thousand concurrent players on Steam. That's only 26x the concurrent players Star Citizen has :negative:

And 60 thousand viewers on Twitch, more than SC ever gets even during CitizensConned :suicide:

e:
https://i.imgur.com/SEZQvyG.gifv

Quavers fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Nov 5, 2019

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 22:34

Baxta: Feb 18, 2004; Needs More Pirate

TheAgent posted:

nerds are like motorcycles, they are fun until you try to do something cool and instead end up crashing in a spectacular fashion

hello?

# ? Nov 5, 2019 19:29

mjotto: Nov 8, 2017

monkeytek posted:

Speaking of, I'm still waiting for my "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee" badge. To whom do I submit to for the badge?

Jane in Accounting has been mentioned before

# ? Nov 5, 2019 19:37

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

Turbonerd. I really really like it man!

# ? Nov 5, 2019 19:41

Baxta: Feb 18, 2004; Needs More Pirate

TheAgent posted:

nerds are like motorcycles, they are fun until you try to do something cool and instead end up crashing in a spectacular fashion

e: internet broke

Baxta fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 5, 2019

# ? Nov 5, 2019 19:53

mjotto: Nov 8, 2017

Baxta posted:

hello?

HI!

mjotto fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Nov 5, 2019

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:23

Dynastocles: May 29, 2009; "If you'll excuse me, my dinner time is six o'clock. Only gangsters eat at 9 o'clock, after some bootlegging and a hot game of craps."

quote:

Stimpire.txt

"Punch them to a pulp, against their will" - pure poetry.

Every time I read this I discover something new.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:26

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Spatial posted:

The trick CIG tried to pull is pretty good.

Their engine is built on CryEngine. Lumberyard is too. Their common ancestry means if you go back far enough in time they are 100% identical. And Lumberyard is free. So to avoid giving Crytek anything, one day they decided that their development history which up until then was on top of CryEngine, was actually on top of Lumberyard the whole time, and that they're now developing in Lumberyard as a result and it's not CryEngine anymore. They try to make this look like a technical change by calling it an "engine switch" but it isn't. No code changed. What they're trying to change is their interpretation of the past.

You can see how this allows for a lot of bullshitting about what is actually being used and how it relates to whatever license they agreed to and that's the idea. They figured with this ambiguity they would slip out of their agreements with Crytek and they couldn't afford to fight it. That gambit hasn't quite gone to plan. Chris has an unfortunate history with breaches of contract so he might be getting a bit worried!

This is the first summary of this I've read that actually cuts right to the heart of the stunt CIG tried to pull. Too many people focused on whether or not Cryengine and Lumberyard "forked," were "different" and all the technical obfuscation that they wanted people to focus on. This here is what happened in a nice nutshell.

Spatial posted:

No code changed. What they're trying to change is their interpretation of the past.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:34

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Jobbo_Fett posted:

lol if you actually read the Stimpire.txt

There are truths contained in the sacred text that some are not worthy to know.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:35

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

CIG also argued at one point that sure, they are using lumberyard now 100%, but even if they were still using their old cryengine code it doesn't matter because cryengine is free now

when I'm at court I expect this to be the strategy they go for

"yeah yeah see, sure it uses cryengine still which is also lumberyard but if its not lumberyard we still haven't done anything wrong"

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:41

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

TheAgent posted:

CIG also argued at one point that sure, they are using lumberyard now 100%, but even if they were still using their old cryengine code it doesn't matter because cryengine is free now

when I'm at court I expect this to be the strategy they go for

"yeah yeah see, sure it uses cryengine still which is also lumberyard but if its not lumberyard we still haven't done anything wrong"

Uh

Still think they owe licensing fees regardless of whether CE is now free.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:50

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Oh for cripes sake the judge is an astronaut.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:55

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Scruffpuff: So Chris, we've heard lots about how your new fibre technology will help catapult Star Citizen forward. Is there anything you can shed some light on along those lines?

Chris: UHHHH well, uhh, well with WING COMMANDER if you remember in the OLD DAYS, there, was, uhh and in GAMES there was a like heavy CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE and people felt like they were IN A MOVIE, and when I had the idea to make another movie game I got so excited I had to CHANGE THE SHEETS, and I noticed, uhhh, there was a TAG ON THE END so I had Sandi read it for me, and it talked about THREAD COUNT and that's how I got the idea, with the POWER IN THE MACHINES today you can get into threads, or really that's the OLD WAY OF THINKING and with the newer, uhh, IDEAS I had such as THAT THING I SAW IN A MOVIE you really have to have a lot of THICK THREADS, which is how you make a FIBRE so that's really the idea behind it, it should be cool, when we have it working.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 20:59

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

Potato Salad posted:

Uh

Still think they owe licensing fees regardless of whether CE is now free.

in my silly armchair opinion, CIG broke the GLA 100%. still, its gonna come down to a jury unless CIG descides to use some of that sweet marketing investment money to pay crytek off

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:06

Baxta: Feb 18, 2004; Needs More Pirate

e: double shitpost

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:07

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

TheAgent posted:

in my silly armchair opinion, CIG broke the GLA 100%. still, its gonna come down to a jury unless CIG descides to use some of that sweet marketing investment money to pay crytek off

That's the bit I like. Whatever they've offered, if anything, hasn't been enough. The thing is that so far the defense from Ci!G is that they aren't bound by any of that, and the plaintiffs are merely starfuckers; I've yet to see anything that attacks the core of the issue of the GLA itself.

Then there's the knowledge of wrongdoing which the discovery is aimed at.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:18

IcarusUpHigh: Dec 20, 2016

What about those next-gen Star Citizen faces? They sure are the best faces on PC...

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:27

Kosumo: Apr 9, 2016

That's not even a famous person face - ergo Star Citizen is way better.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:36

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

Hav posted:

That's the bit I like. Whatever they've offered, if anything, hasn't been enough. The thing is that so far the defense from Ci!G is that they aren't bound by any of that, and the plaintiffs are merely starfuckers; I've yet to see anything that attacks the core of the issue of the GLA itself.

Then there's the knowledge of wrongdoing which the discovery is aimed at.

I'd say crytek at this point wants the game dead and couldn't give a gently caress about monetary compensation

crytek's old lawyer hosed them over, their old salesguy hosed them over, their old devs (who they brought up from modder status, hi sean tracy) hosed them over

they want to eat the still beating heart of CIG and wash it down with a river of overpriced, unclean espresso

btw this is a fun slideshow

https://www.slideshare.net/DevCentralAMD/gs4133-sean-tracey

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:43

DapperDon: Sep 7, 2016

TheAgent posted:

in my silly armchair opinion, CIG broke the GLA 100%. still, its gonna come down to a jury unless CIG descides to use some of that sweet marketing investment money to pay crytek off

I do not believe that CI and not G have that kind of cash at their disposal. Not anymore. And not with a vulture capitalist holding the purse strings. Not for this.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:49

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

DapperDon posted:

I do not believe that CI and not G have that kind of cash at their disposal. Not anymore. And not with a vulture capitalist holding the purse strings. Not for this.

I think crytek would settle for $30m and an 4% yearly take on gross, their name slapped back on every splash screen and a weekly dev blog devoted to nothing but high praise for crytek and its engine

having the game shut down at this point is far more likely

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:53

Thom12255: Feb 23, 2013; WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

TheAgent posted:

I'd say crytek at this point wants the game dead and couldn't give a gently caress about monetary compensation

crytek's old lawyer hosed them over, their old salesguy hosed them over, their old devs (who they brought up from modder status, hi sean tracy) hosed them over

they want to eat the still beating heart of CIG and wash it down with a river of overpriced, unclean espresso

btw this is a fun slideshow

https://www.slideshare.net/DevCentralAMD/gs4133-sean-tracey

It's sad Crytek did that crazy transition to free-to-play Zynga games and completely failed at it (as anyone would've expected).

# ? Nov 5, 2019 21:54

Terebus: Feb 17, 2007; Pillbug

Pixelate posted:

Crytek dumped their shiny FB-spanking lawyers for some little feisty guys. Their takes on the main lines of attack are:

CIG switched engines so swiftly that they're essentially still using Cryengine. Which means the GLA is still in effect. (They cited CIG's own legal filings here for bonus points).

They spotted that CIG omitted an inconvenient comma when quoting the GLA. Claim selling SQ42 as a stand alone title contravenes that key clause.

Enough there to proceed to jury trial it seems.

CIG insisted on a 2m+ bond in case Crytek did a runner. Judge whittled it down to 500k (in part because CIG really belaboured how insolvent Crytek are...). Crytek paid...

Discovery is happening. Trial in like, June 2020 or something.

---

Some proper round ups on the latest here and here

Also, 'hello'

And "_"

And a fun recent post...

Awesome, thanks for the writeup. Looks like anything that is even remotely tied to CIG is a clusterfuck, even trial development.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:02

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

Scruffpuff posted:

Scruffpuff: So Chris, we've heard lots about how your new fibre technology will help catapult Star Citizen forward. Is there anything you can shed some light on along those lines?

Chris: UHHHH well, uhh, well with WING COMMANDER if you remember in the OLD DAYS, there, was, uhh and in GAMES there was a like heavy CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE and people felt like they were IN A MOVIE, and when I had the idea to make another movie game I got so excited I had to CHANGE THE SHEETS, and I noticed, uhhh, there was a TAG ON THE END so I had Sandi read it for me, and it talked about THREAD COUNT and that's how I got the idea, with the POWER IN THE MACHINES today you can get into threads, or really that's the OLD WAY OF THINKING and with the newer, uhh, IDEAS I had such as THAT THING I SAW IN A MOVIE you really have to have a lot of THICK THREADS, which is how you make a FIBRE so that's really the idea behind it, it should be cool, when we have it working.

Welcome back, SomethingJones, how've you been? :hfive:

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:10

Jonny Shiloh: Mar 7, 2019; You 'orrible little man

TheAgent posted:

btw this is a fun slideshow

https://www.slideshare.net/DevCentralAMD/gs4133-sean-tracey

Then...

quote:

Recruited to Crytek in 2008 from the modding community
Not a programmer! (still quite technical)

Now...

Sean Tracy is the Technical Director of Content in CIG Los Angeles.

:laffo:

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:14

DapperDon: Sep 7, 2016

TheAgent posted:

I think crytek would settle for $30m and an 4% yearly take on gross, their name slapped back on every splash screen and a weekly dev blog devoted to nothing but high praise for crytek and its engine

having the game shut down at this point is far more likely

They don't have that kind of cash. And doing that would be the deathstroke for Chris having to backstroke on all that posturing and wasting backers money on all this legal mess. I still think that Crytek want blood. Money can be made anywhere, revenge is another matter altogether. Bit I completely agree that this whole program will shut down the moment that CIG gets wind that the lawsuit is not going to go their way.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:39

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Jonny Shiloh posted:

Sean Tracy is the Technical Director of Content in CIG Los Angeles.

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Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Star Citizen: (still quite technical)

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:41

colonelwest: Jun 30, 2018

Jonny Shiloh posted:

Then...

Now...

Sean Tracy is the Technical Director of Content in CIG Los Angeles.

The incompetence triples every second.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:42

Kosumo: Apr 9, 2016

Nah, Chris Robert has been at maximum incompetence for years.

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:48

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Kosumo posted:

Nah, Chris Robert has been at maximum incompetence for years.

Oh, my sweet, sweet summer child. Incompetence is an infinite resource!

# ? Nov 5, 2019 22:49

Beexoffel: Oct 4, 2015; Herald of the Stimpire

The new Overwatch game has a Pusher Robot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQuwivoOHVE&t=117s

# ? Nov 5, 2019 23:01

mike12345: Jul 14, 2008; "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."

Mirificus posted:

wait isn't this the police sketch for the unabomber? lol this fan base is the best

# ? Nov 5, 2019 23:05

BumbleOne: Jul 1, 2018; by Fluffdaddy

Mirificus posted:

I'm a cuntiflas and I'm OK
I type all night and I sleep all day

He's a cuntiflas and he's OK
He types all night and he sleeps all day

I shut down threads, so quick and dumb
I like to see you barf
I put on women's clothing and eat a bar of mars

(to be sung to the melody of monty pythons lumberjack song)

# ? Nov 5, 2019 23:10

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

mike12345 posted:

wait isn't this the police sketch for the unabomber? lol this fan base is the best

Pretty sure thats the default Cracked.com avatar

# ? Nov 5, 2019 23:25

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me