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MourningView posted:This is saddest I've been about deadspin dying yet Every anecdote Bill shares about his son reminds me of the subplot in Anchorman about Fred Willard's son.
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David Roth is on the new Chapo Trap House if you're interested in hearing more about Deadspin, but skip the first 17 minutes or so if you're not interested in hearing an extended riff about Liz Warren and Neon Genesis Evangelion
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TBH i wouldn't be surprised if Vice Sports got restarted by almost exclusively ex-Deadspinners, Roth was a high-ranking editor there before moving to Deadspin. But holy shiiiiiiittt there's no stability for online feature writers anymore, I'm probably going to go back to educational publishing and content marketing. loving capitalists!
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If Deadspinners end up restarting Vice Sports it'll actually get me to visit Vice.
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I wouldn't count on Vice investing money in something https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1126291961663643648?s=20
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R.D. Mangles posted:wait "nephew kyle" is his actual nephew?????? Cousin Sal is in fact not his cousin however
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lmao https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1191758701897691136?s=20
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at the risk of beating it into the ground.... third time they've lost their entire staff in less than a week.
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BWV posted:at the risk of beating it into the ground.... Not beaten into the ground yet. Loooool.
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 to another onehttps://mobile.twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1191773023499673602
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AsInHowe posted:Paul Maidment resigned. Huh, Not surprising, I guess. BWV posted:at the risk of beating it into the ground.... 
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yes, thank you. https://twitter.com/timmarchman/status/1191797290798858240
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Francesa just has incredible amounts of drama all the time
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General Dog posted:I refuse to be lumped in with that disgusting pile of racists and xenophobes just because I’m a pro-capital authoritarian.
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euphronius posted:Francesa just has incredible amounts of drama all the time he is the king of sports radio
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Why aren't the deadspin writers just starting their own site? Is there a business with a lower cost of entry than an internet blog? With the industry connections and existing audience they collectively have, I really don't get why they are moping around like they need to wait for some evil capitalist to come along and permit them to work again. Here is their chance to put their money where their mouth is and actually run a journalism business the way they think it should be run.
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Most people can’t afford to lay out a bunch of upfront money and then work for free for an undetermined amount of time
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Magnitogorsk. posted:Why aren't the deadspin writers just starting their own site? Based on the couple of podcast interviews I’ve heard, it sounds like something at the scale of Deadspin would require tens of millions. So yes, it’s not cheap.
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Magnitogorsk. posted:Why aren't the deadspin writers just starting their own site? Is there a business with a lower cost of entry than an internet blog? With the industry connections and existing audience they collectively have, I really don't get why they are moping around like they need to wait for some evil capitalist to come along and permit them to work again. Here is their chance to put their money where their mouth is and actually run a journalism business the way they think it should be run. This is probably disingenuous but I'll humor myself. 1. They aren't moping around? They are almost all probably pitching and writing freelance stuff elsewhere right now. 2. Because running a site is expensive and time consuming. Salary, Healthcare, Building rent, Legal, etc etc. You need a large amount of upfront cash to be able to get a site like that off of the ground. 3. Building something new is something that takes time, and people have to pay rent, bills, healthcare etc etc. If we lived in a country with any kind of a social safety net then sure. But lmao.
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This has been a super good episode, and refreshing to hear their voices on this whole fantastical poo poo show. Jesus wept, what a piece of poo poo. "Now that I've completely hollowed out this carcass I take my leave to poo poo on other things, adieu."
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Jiro posted:This has been a super good episode, and refreshing to hear their voices on this whole fantastical poo poo show. Note: Paul Maidment died on his way back to his home planet
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Henchman of Santa posted:The Roth interview on Chapo was pretty interesting. His take is that Spanfeller and company wasn't trying to shut anything down politically--he really is just that stupid and had no idea what he had bought or why he should listen to the people that worked there. Yeah they made a big deal at how the "Trump got booed during the world series" was a good article. They really were just tone deaf and wanted desperately to show that their ideas (and no one else's) would work.
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Roth wrote about the mets for baseball prospectus https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/55016/managing-the-unmanageable/
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Magnitogorsk. posted:Why aren't the deadspin writers just starting their own site? Is there a business with a lower cost of entry than an internet blog? With the industry connections and existing audience they collectively have, I really don't get why they are moping around like they need to wait for some evil capitalist to come along and permit them to work again. Here is their chance to put their money where their mouth is and actually run a journalism business the way they think it should be run. Deadspin isn't an internet blog, it's an advertising business that was losing millions of dollars per year until recently. Sure, they could probably kickstart a blog, but turning it profitable, especially for an editorial staff of that size, is a huge task
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Jiro posted:Jesus wept, what a piece of poo poo. "Now that I've completely hollowed out this carcass I take my leave to poo poo on other things, adieu." It's entirely possible that Maidment was just loving terrible at his job, couldn't get Spanfeller to budge on the stick to sports thing because Spanfeller is a constantly falling upwards failson, and quit because gently caress dealing with this poo poo and blowback that he was too inept to understand and prevent. One thing in the Hang Up and Listen episode is that Greenwell protected her staff from a LOT of poo poo on the "Stick to Spurtz" front, so that they weren't fully aware of how hard it was coming down from above. NicelyNice posted:Deadspin isn't an internet blog, it's an advertising business that was losing millions of dollars per year until recently. Sure, they could probably kickstart a blog, but turning it profitable, especially for an editorial staff of that size, is a huge task The website itself was profitable. It was losing money because of the debt the Gawker websites got saddled with from Univision. Which is why levering your company to the hilt is usually a really bad idea even with continued crazy low interest rates... but everyone does it because of how cheap it is to borrow and the tax advantages of doing so and the idea that they know how to massively grow their companies to make all that debt not an issue. loving capitalists never learn.
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I would really appreciate if a BP subscriber could post that Roth article here. The tags alone are amazing. "Mountainous Dumps on the Infield," "Pink Men in Blue Dress Shirts," "Our Big Wet Owners," "Marge Schott."
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habeasdorkus posted:I would really appreciate if a BP subscriber could post that Roth article here. The tags alone are amazing. "Mountainous Dumps on the Infield," "Pink Men in Blue Dress Shirts," "Our Big Wet Owners," "Marge Schott." You can read it with a free "basic" subscription.
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habeasdorkus posted:It's entirely possible that Maidment was just loving terrible at his job, couldn't get Spanfeller to budge on the stick to sports thing because Spanfeller is a constantly falling upwards failson, and quit because gently caress dealing with this poo poo and blowback that he was too inept to understand and prevent. One thing in the Hang Up and Listen episode is that Greenwell protected her staff from a LOT of poo poo on the "Stick to Spurtz" front, so that they weren't fully aware of how hard it was coming down from above. They learn : it’s the whole point. That is the end they seek. It’s what mitt Romney does for a living for example.
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It was interesting to hear how the stick to sports stuff was equally about pumping out more generic sports content as it was avoiding politics/journalism. Obviously it's a zero sum game because a writer copy/pasting an AP story takes time away from calling Trump a Cheeto but it just seemed like the Herb's vision for the site was leveraging Deadspins editorial brand to expand into more ESPN/Bleacher Report style content. Now you might think that flooding the site with click bait trash would dilute and eventually destroy the very editorial voice that made Deadspin what it was, but that's only because you are a normie and not a Visionary Leader Expert Biznus Man from private equity.
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BWV posted:It was interesting to hear how the stick to sports stuff was equally about pumping out more generic sports content as it was avoiding politics/journalism. Obviously it's a zero sum game because a writer copy/pasting an AP story takes time away from calling Trump a Cheeto but it just seemed like the Herb's vision for the site was leveraging Deadspins editorial brand to expand into more ESPN/Bleacher Report style content. Now you might think that flooding the site with click bait trash would dilute and eventually destroy the very editorial voice that made Deadspin what it was, but that's only because you are a normie and not a Visionary Leader Expert Biznus Man from private equity. afaik the “stick to sports” mandate was really about not criticizing g/o’s internal practices especially w/r/t advertising (which, by the way, does make every gmg website a fuckin nightmare to read) i also remember some nonsense about listicles and slideshows (which iirc is how we got that classic rock bands ranked article) and they also put in autoplay videos which literally no one but advertisers likes
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yea they definitely were not happy about the deep dives into the companies hiring practices and potential gender discrimination. And as Barry (I think said), the writers at Deadspin are admittedly poo poo disturbers (in a good way). I was referring more to what Greenwell was saying on that podcast where it seems they were committed to transforming Deadspin into something entirely different all the while thinking the fundamental aspects of the brand/site would not be eroded. It's a classic private equity/rich guy gently caress up where they buy something and say "sure this thing works, but what if we did this AND this AND this AND that" as if a lack of vision and leadership (and not that these changes are self destructive) is whats preventing these things from happening.
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euphronius posted:Noo as bad as that is https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1191837259399651328
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