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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

the NEET class: transcendent, transplendent,

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Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

people putting the hammer and sickle in their twitter name then decrying the people who made it have any meaning will never not be funny

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

Venom Snake posted:

people putting the hammer and sickle in their twitter name then decrying the people who made it have any meaning will never not be funny

the hammer and sickle is a symbol of the Bolsheviks, not Karl Marx. Bolshevik = Russians = Slavs = POC

Do better.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Venom Snake posted:

people putting the hammer and sickle in their twitter name then decrying the people who made it have any meaning will never not be funny

those twitter handles are like the coexist bumper stickers of the left

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

you see, Karl's symbol was the sickle, because he liked to take heads, while Engels was the hammer, since he owned a factory

put 'em together and what do you got...

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
the sickle actually symbolizes sickle cell, because karl marx liked the disease on account of being a white supremacist

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Anyone have recommendations for marxist economists who write analyses of capital flows, trades, profitability, productivity, industries etc in 2019? So far I like michael hudson and michael roberts, but i'm looking for more

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


gradenko_2000 posted:

TBF every single one of his contemporaries was also a poster of that caliber.

the 19th century was the golden age of posting

Poniard
Apr 3, 2011



GalacticAcid posted:

the sickle actually symbolizes sickle cell, because karl marx liked the disease on account of being a white supremacist

yeah karl wrote about jews

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/HalfAtlanta/status/1190664407895949313

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Unfortunate that a true comrade must flee and cannot stay to continue the battle

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
It's really a comrade's obligation to ensure that conditions in the US change so that she can come home.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe/status/1191132649819168768

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
fringe trot groups have neat logos but the sparts are :whitewater:

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

IBT? More like IBS

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

reminder that bernie voted to have her extradited from cuba

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Yeah, so he could break her free and set her up in a sweet penthouse

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

reminder that bernie voted to have her extradited from cuba

only by the grace of US foreign policy does Jane go

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

reminder that bernie voted to have her extradited from cuba

It's good that he respects the rule of law

Captain Billy Pissboy
Oct 25, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
Bernie "Blue Lives Matter" Sanders

edit: just remembered this

Captain Billy Pissboy fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Nov 4, 2019

HenryKrinkle
Jun 21, 2003

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

reminder that bernie voted to have her extradited from cuba

it was a deceptively passed unanimous resolution fwiw:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/089.html

someone should ask him his stance on it now tho.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981


sparts know a lot about political dead-ends, so I consider them experts

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The New Statesman: Francis Fukuyama interview: “Socialism ought to come back”

quote:

History is having its revenge on Francis Fukuyama. In 1992, at the height of post-Cold War liberal exuberance, the American political theorist wrote in The End of History and the Last Man: “What we may be witnessing… is the end point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalisation of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government.”

Twenty-six years later, from the US to Russia, Turkey to Poland, and Hungary to Italy, an Illiberal International is advancing. Fukuyama’s new book Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment (his ninth) seeks to grapple with these forces. But when I met the 65-year-old Stanford academic at our offices in London, he was careful to emphasise the continuity in his thought. “What I said back then [1992] is that one of the problems with modern democracy is that it provides peace and prosperity but people want more than that… liberal democracies don’t even try to define what a good life is, it’s left up to individuals, who feel alienated, without purpose, and that’s why joining these identity groups gives them some sense of community.”

His critics, he said, “probably didn’t read to the end of the actual book [The End of History], the Last Man part, which was really all about some of the potential threats to democracy.”

Yoshihiro Francis Fukuyama was born in Chicago in 1952 (he now lives with his wife in California) to a Japanese-American father (Fukuyama’s paternal grandfather emigrated to the US in 1905 during the Russo-Japanese war) and a Japanese mother. He never learned his ancestral language and simply describes himself as American: “It just wasn’t fashionable to be ethnic when I was growing up.”

Fukuyama, who studied political philosophy under Allan Bloom, the author of The Closing of the American Mind, at Cornell University, initially identified with the neoconservative movement: he was mentored by Paul Wolfowitz while a government official during the Reagan-Bush years. But by late 2003, Fukuyama had recanted his support for the Iraq war, which he now regards as a defining error alongside financial deregulation and the euro’s inept creation. “These are all elite-driven policies that turned out to be pretty disastrous, there’s some reason for ordinary people to be upset.”

The End of History was a rebuke to Marxists who regarded communism as humanity’s final ideological stage. How, I asked Fukuyama, did he view the resurgence of the socialist left in the UK and the US? “It all depends on what you mean by socialism. Ownership of the means of production – except in areas where it’s clearly called for, like public utilities – I don’t think that’s going to work.

“If you mean redistributive programmes that try to redress this big imbalance in both incomes and wealth that has emerged then, yes, I think not only can it come back, it ought to come back. This extended period, which started with Reagan and Thatcher, in which a certain set of ideas about the benefits of unregulated markets took hold, in many ways it’s had a disastrous effect.

“In social equality, it’s led to a weakening of labour unions, of the bargaining power of ordinary workers, the rise of an oligarchic class almost everywhere that then exerts undue political power. In terms of the role of finance, if there’s anything we learned from the financial crisis it’s that you’ve got to regulate the sector like hell because they’ll make everyone else pay. That whole ideology became very deeply embedded within the Eurozone, the austerity that Germany imposed on southern Europe has been disastrous.”


Fukuyama added, to my surprise: “At this juncture, it seems to me that certain things Karl Marx said are turning out to be true. He talked about the crisis of overproduction… that workers would be impoverished and there would be insufficient demand.” Yet the only plausible systemic rival to liberal democracy, Fukuyama said, was not socialism but China’s state capitalist model. “The Chinese are arguing openly that it is a superior one because they can guarantee stability and economic growth over the long run in a way that democracy can’t… if in another 30 years, they’re bigger than the US, Chinese people are richer and the country is still holding together, I would say they’ve got a real argument.” But he cautioned that “the real test of the regime” would be how it fared in an economic crisis.

Fukuyama is troubled by the potential for a US-China war (“the Thucydides trap”, as Harvard academic Graham Allison has called the clash between an established power and a rising one). “I think people would be very foolish to rule that out, I can think of lots of scenarios by which such a war could start. I don’t think it would be a deliberate attack by one country on the other – like Germany invading Poland in 1939 – it’s more likely to come out of a local conflict over Taiwan, over North Korea, possibly a confrontation in the South China Sea that escalates.”

I met Fukuyama on a day the British government had once more failed to agree a Brexit deal with the EU. “Having a referendum in a country with a parliamentary system is really a big mistake,” he surmised. “There are good reasons for having representative government. If Cameron had stuck to that, we wouldn’t have this problem right now.”

For all this, Fukuyama warned liberals not to overcorrect and assume that illiberal democracy is the new end of history. “I think people should calm down a little bit."

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014
new statesman america: end of history fuckwit submits to struggle session

new statesman britain: tony blair should come back by john mcternan

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Karl Barks posted:

sparts know a lot about political dead-ends, so I consider them experts

:hmmyes:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Fukuyama's a hack I don't know why people, even liberals, continue to take him seriously

Dreddout fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Nov 5, 2019

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Dreddout posted:

Fukuyama's a hack I don't know why people, even liberals, continue to take him seriously

When the rapture hit's and his thesis is proven right he'll have the last laugh :colbert:

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

He's still obsessing over economic growth which is gonna kill the planet whether or not it's done under a red flag

Former DILF
Jul 13, 2017

I can’t decide which I like better: francis gently caress your mama or francis fukushima

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I like that he doubles down on the liberalism when says that he doesnt think public ownership can work lmfao. Looks like I don't have to actually read your lovely book

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

at least make the rapture that murders me cool like hideaki anno did not some bitchmade kevin sorbo bullshit

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

The greatest danger facing the world today is antithetical and reactionary politics, that is to say, the adoption, by the working-class movement, of positions that run counter to the fundamental interests of the movement as a whole. Such positions rip the heart out of the movement and expose it to the possibility of being crushed in a weaker position. Such positions are the mortal enemies of genuine mass work and undermine the possibility of the mass organisations developing and enduring with the class.

For revolutionaries to seek to implant their ideas or practices within the working-class movement, or to exploit contradictions within the working class as a means to discredit the possibility of revolution is misconceived from the start.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Trabisnikof posted:

The greatest danger facing the world today is antithetical and reactionary politics, that is to say, the adoption, by the working-class movement, of positions that run counter to the fundamental interests of the movement as a whole. Such positions rip the heart out of the movement and expose it to the possibility of being crushed in a weaker position. Such positions are the mortal enemies of genuine mass work and undermine the possibility of the mass organisations developing and enduring with the class.

For revolutionaries to seek to implant their ideas or practices within the working-class movement, or to exploit contradictions within the working class as a means to discredit the possibility of revolution is misconceived from the start.

Is this from a Markov chain text generator

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Enjoy posted:

Is this from a Markov chain text generator

Almost certainly from Open AI

the article posted:

2. GPT-2 can be fine-tuned for misuse. Our partners at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies’ Center on Terrorism, Extremism, and Counterterrorism (CTEC) found that extremist groups can use GPT-2 for misuse, specifically by fine-tuning GPT-2 models on four ideological positions: white supremacy, Marxism, jihadist Islamism, and anarchism. CTEC demonstrated that it’s possible to create models that can generate synthetic propaganda for these ideologies. They also show that, despite having low detection accuracy on synthetic outputs, ML-based detection methods can give experts reasonable suspicion that an actor is generating synthetic text.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

to make it realistic i should have tweeted it out as a 12 tweet thread

Captain Billy Pissboy
Oct 25, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

Inceltown posted:

Almost certainly from Open AI

how could "synthetic propaganda" possibly be useful? are they talking the term stochastic terrorism even further and just randomly generating ideologies now?

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Homeless Friend posted:

When the rapture hit's and his thesis is proven right he'll have the last laugh :colbert:

there will be no one else left behind to hear him though :smith:

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

how could "synthetic propaganda" possibly be useful? are they talking the term stochastic terrorism even further and just randomly generating ideologies now?

If you don't see how poo poo posts about polarising topics could be useful to fire up electorates to help vote in a Trump-like then you're in for a shock.

There is definitely a lot more to getting a Trump than this, like the constant economic and social pressures years of treating citizens like poo poo, but it's never been just one thing.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Inceltown posted:

If you don't see how poo poo posts about polarising topics could be useful to fire up electorates to help vote in a Trump-like then you're in for a shock.

Buddy you're in the thread for shitposting about polarizing topics

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Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Inceltown posted:

If you don't see how poo poo posts about polarising topics could be useful to fire up electorates to help vote in a Trump-like then you're in for a shock.

Russian bots posting Marxist gibberish in Reddit threads FTW

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