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Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.
brb buying a bunch of bernie signs to poo poo all over my red neighborhood

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colachute
Mar 15, 2015

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1191919473734930432?s=21

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1192061080488611843?s=19

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT







Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Happy to do my part in VA. I sent my absentee ballot in weeks ago.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Kamala Harris just lost the under-17 vote:

https://twitter.com/karavoght/status/1192073204166209537

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008


Naturally the billions of dollars in new productivity will be sent to the teachers

My mom dealt with “volunteer” after school care for 40 years. Volunteers were assigned according to a strict rotation and if you refused to do it you were practically submitting your resignation.

Either call for shortening the work day, instead, or an after school program that doesn’t lean on teachers giving up even more of their time.

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Nov 6, 2019

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

poo poo, I actually agree with her on that.

My platform is basically year-round 24 hour schools where the kids have to be there from like 9-5 but have optional enrichment available like 2 hours before and after that, and then the other 12 hours are essentially daycare. I could be talked down to 7p to 7a being vouchers for a well-monitored overnight care.

No papers, no homework, clubs and sports all happen between 5 and 7. Kids get home and don't have to worry about poo poo till school th next day. Teachers have enough time to teach, kids can go write papers in the library, they can study study hall during the day, etc.

It's insane that we are still following a 19th century school calendar.

Of course to fund this we might have to tax some billionaires and maybe not let them park their money in the Cayman Islands, so it will never happen.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

I disagree with none of what you’re saying and understand the merits behind Harris’ proposal, but I still think teachers are going to get the short end of the stick on this one.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Fallom posted:

Naturally the billions of dollars in new productivity will be sent to the teachers

My mom dealt with “volunteer” after school care for 40 years. Volunteers were assigned according to a strict rotation and if you refused to do it you were practically submitting your resignation.

Either call for shortening the work day, instead, or an after school program that doesn’t lean on teachers giving up even more of their time.

Yeah, this. I'm already at work long before the students and stay after they leave because the actual teaching part is not the entire job. I have no faith in any proposal in any industry which requires "volunteers" to work longer.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
What a horrid idea

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

yeah harris is done

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

pantslesswithwolves posted:

I disagree with none of what you’re saying and understand the merits behind Harris’ proposal, but I still think teachers are going to get the short end of the stick on this one.
Yeah, in my pie in the sky fantasy, there would be like 3x the number of teachers/coaches/aides/librarians/etc. I have no doubt that in reality land it would be more "hi teachers, guess what, you're work day is now 30% longer" and any attempts to increase funding and hire more teachers would be met at the polls with boomers saying no because "my property taxes are too high and those teachers barely work anyway."

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
Also there are very good replies regarding how kids spend too much time in school already and how they need unstructured time rather than "enrichment activities" which we all know certain districts will turn into grinding test prep.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

joat mon posted:

I expect it's the difference between local and national races. Local stuff, signs are more important to getting your name out there than ads or mailers. For national stuff, I expect the word is gotten out by ads and news, and signs are more for voters to show their support.

Local races, you want as many people as possible people to have signs to get your name out, so it's an expense (and a good one) National races, your name's already out there and I guess the idea is that people will pay to show their support to support other parts of the campaign. Sort of like free baseball tickets to get people into the park, but fans will pay for shirts and ballcaps.
Still, the idea of charging for signs is weird.

Theres an important psychological component you're missing. Yes technically Bernie may be a household name, but seeing bernie signs on every 10th house vs every 100th house you drive past is motivating. You get more motivated, and maybe are a little more enthusiastic when you're selling bernie to your neighbor. Now multiply that by the population in every swing district.

Terrifying Effigies posted:

According to some of the replies the yard signs are closer to $15 for at cost, but just shows that 1) Bernie's got a huge small donor war chest and 2) he's investing it back into stuff that helps keep the grassroots motivated and get out the word at the community level rather than spending it all on pointless TV ad buys and consultant leeches.

Lol no. The people in those twitter replys are idiots. Maybe they're looking at what a sign would cost if you try to buy a 100 from kinko's or something. When you start buying in the 10k's quantity yard signs are about $0.25 each, maybe less depending on how bulk you buy. Shipping them to the base is the most expensive part of the process. But if you can pack them in box's and hand them out to people at the office that saves you another few dollars per count.

Make sure you hire engineers and procurement specialists for your campaign people, and not lanyard suit's with their useless statistics.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

stealie72 posted:

Yeah, in my pie in the sky fantasy, there would be like 3x the number of teachers/coaches/aides/librarians/etc. I have no doubt that in reality land it would be more "hi teachers, guess what, you're work day is now 30% longer" and any attempts to increase funding and hire more teachers would be met at the polls with boomers saying no because "my property taxes are too high and those teachers barely work anyway."

"Property Taxes Are Too High" should be the motto of the GOP if they want to win back the suburbs.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Stultus Maximus posted:

Also there are very good replies regarding how kids spend too much time in school already and how they need unstructured time rather than "enrichment activities" which we all know certain districts will turn into grinding test prep.
Going on an n of 1 (my three kids in middle school): They don't spend too much time in school. They spend too much time doing schoolwork not in school, which depends on amateurs (parents) to help them learn instead of people who theoretically know what the gently caress they're talking about. My 8th grader is taking advanced math and I don't remember enough of it to be very helpful without looking things up as a refresher, and even then I'm not sure what I'm telling her is in line with the way she is being taught.

But at least in my kids' experience the out-of-school enrichment stuff is still real. Maybe that changes in HS.

Agree on the unstructured time, though. a longer school day should definitely have some just-supervised-enough-so-a-kid-doesn't-die recess fuckaround time a couple times during the day.

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.
If my school experience counts, being in school any longer than 7-3 is agony and suggesting kids stick around any longer is cruel and unusual.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

I spent grades 4-7 hiding from the 5-10 kids in my class of 20 who loved circling up and kicking me as much as they could before the single faculty member supervising recess finally chased them off because it turns out when you underfund and underpay schools you get too few people working at any one time and too many of them can’t be assed to actually do their jobs.

Mandating longer hours before making it so the hours currently spent at schools aren’t just a sociopath breeding ground is going to kill children.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Yea 10hr days aren’t a ton of fun, even if you’re getting paid and only have a 4-day workweek. Being in school for that long sounds like a recipe for misery.

...that means someone will try it, right? :gonk:

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!



So bad they already deleted it...I was wondering what Twitter was on about this morning. I saw a bunch of tweets saying it was a stupid idea but they didn't mention who had it.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

What was the tweet?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
I’m still cached apparently. Here’s what it said:

EXCLUSIVE: @KamalaHarris has a new a bill to stretch the school day from 8 am to 6 pm.

The shift intends to fix the misalignment of the traditional school day and work day, a gap experts say contributes to $55 billion in productivity losses each year.https://t.co/vTA8LVJWQX

— Kara Voght (@karavoght) November 6, 2019

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

We need things to be shittier for everyone, not better for anyone.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


colachute posted:

We need things to be shittier for everyone, not better for anyone.

https://twitter.com/Seej500/status/1191369044336742400

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Mr. Nice! posted:

I’m still cached apparently. Here’s what it said:

EXCLUSIVE: @KamalaHarris has a new a bill to stretch the school day from 8 am to 6 pm.

The shift intends to fix the misalignment of the traditional school day and work day, a gap experts say contributes to $55 billion in productivity losses each year.https://t.co/vTA8LVJWQX

— Kara Voght (@karavoght) November 6, 2019

Seems more like a universal daycare proposal than an “extending the school day” proposal?

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

hobbesmaster posted:

Seems more like a universal daycare proposal than an “extending the school day” proposal?

Who is going to be the care taker?

Teachers.

When will they grade papers? Create lesson plans? Actually do all of the things that are required outside of teaching time?

Actually, they’ll probably allocate enough funds for education to pay for professional care takers.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

the idea of having better after school support is great but I also don't trust kamala at all to make it not poo poo.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:

the idea of having better after school support is great but I also don't trust kamala at all to make it not poo poo.

:hmmyes:

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Reading the MJ article, it's hard to say it's a bad plan because it really seems to be more like a sponsored fact-finding mission - they're basically telling schools "Find a way to keep your doors open year-round from 8 to 6, we'll give you cash and measure the results." There's a lot of ways this could be implemented, many bad, but many good, and that will be up to the individual school districts.

eh, worth a shot I guess

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

9th period: Snitching II
10th period: special guest lecture on how weed is cool but also I built my career on prosecuting weed possession

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Also if we had a 30 hour work week I'd volunteer to teach/tutor math

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

Public impeachment hearings begin next week

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


"THESE KIND OF SLURS ARE NOT OK!" says local man who thinks anyone born after 1980 can't start a lawnmower

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
If we're doing massive upheaval reforms for education in this country could we maybe pull the funding out of every poo poo headed group of local pearl clutchers worried about their property values and being too close to "those" people? At the very god drat least make it state level.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


This is parody right.

Also MLK was greatest generation.

timma85
Feb 13, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

This is parody right.

Also MLK was greatest generation.

It is, it was hard to tell if it was satire at some points though.

The B-word

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

hobbesmaster posted:

This is parody right.

Also MLK was greatest generation.

Silent Generation, he was too young to serve in WWII.

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KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Maybe it's a California thing. Ever school in my neighborhood has banners for after school programs and supper programs. So on that level, hell yeah nationalize that concept!

On the other hand I work/volunteered at a place where we had at-risk highschool kids run a cafe. It waThe state paid them through an educational stipend and the company didn't have to. So I also see how this can be easily exploited, because I done that exact exploitation.

In conclusion Khamala Harris will make seeing children outside of school illegal from sunup to sundown. The punishment will be in the form of a live action battleroyal in a business partnership with fortnite.

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